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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:06 PM Author: bespoke curious halford brunch I would refuse. Zero chance I die for Israel. They can fight their own wars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376718) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:16 PM Author: Greedy Avocado Trump Supporter Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376778) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:20 PM Author: Angry tattoo Why quote this? Seems like a fair assertion imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376800) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:21 PM Author: nofapping primrose laser beams location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381868) |
Date: January 4th, 2020 2:06 PM Author: translucent coffee pot I’m gay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376721) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:07 PM Author: Angry tattoo I probably would but I can sympathize with not doing so. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376724) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:07 PM Author: slap-happy rambunctious public bath pisswyrm Yes But I won’t be drafted |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:12 PM Author: Bistre school cafeteria son of senegal I DEMAND WOMENS EQUALITY
EQUALITY NOW |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:08 PM Author: 180 parlor I’d go to Canada and live off the land (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376728) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:08 PM Author: bespoke curious halford brunch Canada actually has a secure border and border enforcement, so you wouldn't get in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376731) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:10 PM Author: 180 parlor jfc i thought they we’re supposed to be Liberal. Anyway guess I’d escape into Mexico and head to South America. Would make good material for a book (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376746) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:12 PM Author: lemon hospital fat ankles RIP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376759) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:09 PM Author: Transparent dilemma I would serve pizza pies! I would go to the Moon and back! When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie!
-Young Richie Moon |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:27 PM Author: heady bat-shit-crazy parlour (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376845) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:10 PM Author: red ticket booth puppy you hate this country, and the soldiers getting attacked in iraq? cool, just blame israel for your cowardice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376741) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:12 PM Author: 180 parlor Americans have no business in Iraq. Fight your own wars, yid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376756) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:14 PM Author: red ticket booth puppy wrong dumbass muslims attacked us here and now they can suffer the consequences. sorry you're scared hippie bitchass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376767) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:15 PM Author: 180 parlor Flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376772) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:16 PM Author: red ticket booth puppy 9/11 was fake? LOL whatever to justify you cowering at home. pathetic. i wish i was young enough to serve trump in battle against the muslim horde. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376781) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:18 PM Author: 180 parlor Even the official 9/11 story doesn’t implicate Iraq (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376788) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:19 PM Author: red ticket booth puppy a good muslim is a dead muslim. stop defending bathists jfc. oh those are good muslims! i love iraq! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376793) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:20 PM Author: Greedy Avocado Trump Supporter Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376801) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:21 PM Author: 180 parlor Case in point: this subthread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376805) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:21 PM Author: red ticket booth puppy naw jews are cool and gave us nukes. but keep defending muslims you fucking hippie. wahh i love iraq! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376809) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:24 PM Author: Greedy Avocado Trump Supporter Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376836) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 12:18 AM Author: Spectacular Grizzly Address Ljl at fighting for kikes, trannies, illegal aliens, raparations and feminism against a based middle eastern shithold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39379704) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:17 PM Author: Greedy Avocado Trump Supporter Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376785) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:26 PM Author: Angry tattoo You seem retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376842) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:13 PM Author: boyish vermilion kitty cat Lmao not even the current batch of inept sociopathic clowns in the "DC Elite" has the hubris to ever actually attempt a draft
No one would comply or show up and it would be one of the most humiliating events in world history. It would actually be 180 as fuck but they will never try it |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:13 PM Author: 180 parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376765) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:17 PM Author: Thriller green marketing idea People not showing up will be arrested. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376786) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:30 PM Author: boyish vermilion kitty cat Lol, good luck arresting 75 million people. People would be openly mocking it on twitter and shit. It would be a completely humiliating disaster
What would actually happen in a crisis would be that the DoD would attempt to call up ex-servicemembers, and this would probably work. The Machine would be able to manipulate public sentiment enough to convince people that ex-military members still have a "duty" to die for the Eloi |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 9:07 AM Author: Comical brass kitchen (guy who is ignorant of history)
You don’t draft 75 million people. You draft a few thousand and imprison any of those who don’t show up. The next batch gets the idea. |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 9:13 AM Author: Greedy Avocado Trump Supporter Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380747) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:09 AM Author: demanding whorehouse Yeah, that's totally viable. They can't even arrest the 10s of millions here illegally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39379998) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:12 AM Author: Alcoholic Motley Point lol ok schmuel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380021) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:34 PM Author: bespoke curious halford brunch Hmm, good point. Would love to see that happen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376863) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:11 AM Author: Alcoholic Motley Point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380011) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 5:29 AM Author: exhilarant theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380532) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:04 PM Author: Floppy meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381786) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:25 PM Author: Mahogany blathering sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381879) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:16 PM Author: Greedy Avocado Trump Supporter Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376777) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:24 PM Author: lemon hospital fat ankles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376832) |
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Date: January 4th, 2020 2:23 PM Author: metal soul-stirring reading party Would I get to kill sand niggers? If so, that would be more fulfilling than making sure that paragraphs 7.6 and 9.2 work together. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39376828) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:09 AM Author: lemon hospital fat ankles 7.62 and 9mm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380215) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 7:53 AM Author: irradiated misunderstood trailer park generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380642) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:12 PM Author: metal soul-stirring reading party Fuckin' A (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381830) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:39 PM Author: Bistre school cafeteria son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381953) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 6:51 AM Author: Cyan weed whacker factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380588) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:10 AM Author: demanding whorehouse I would 100% get out of it. I understand going if the country was invaded by China or whatever but going off to fight some stupid war fuck knows where? Fuck that. We have no business being in the ME anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380007) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:11 AM Author: Alcoholic Motley Point Have you been to the mall? LJL @ ZOG drafting any of these obese, half-dead troglodytes into a war it gives a shit about.
Anyway I'd only serve if I was offered some sort of combat role where I knew I could get shot at and shoot at people otherwise it's just a waste of time. Not out of any sense of duty or anything but I think combat helps you engage your DNA a little more and I wouldn't pass up an opportunity like that. |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:44 PM Author: cheese-eating rusted temple (chubby little pussy) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381968) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:46 PM Author: Alcoholic Motley Point im a ripped chad and id definitely be good at killing ppl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381971) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:48 PM Author: cheese-eating rusted temple You're a fat loser and you would quickly die (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381984) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:16 AM Author: vigorous disturbing ceo stage holy shit it'd be amazing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380036) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:19 AM Author: glittery indigo rehab i'll do anything trump tells me to do no questions asked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380051) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:25 AM Author: Supple hell karate LMAO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380073) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 5:34 AM Author: lemon hospital fat ankles you'd be drafted by the other guys lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380535) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:32 AM Author: abusive anal elastic band yes, but i'm too old to get drafted however, i would strongly advocate for olds to fight in wars over 18-30 year olds, and that includes me |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:32 AM Author: Jet-lagged useless set id be on the first plane out of the country if they had a draft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380094) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:35 AM Author: heady bat-shit-crazy parlour I don't feel like this is my country anymore. But the thought of dying sounds cool (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380107) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 1:39 AM Author: frum unhinged black woman lol no. i'd stay here and fuck all the left-behind wives and GFs so that their partners get to raise my kids after coming home with their legs and balls blown off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380119) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:41 PM Author: Bistre school cafeteria son of senegal (My Dad and his 300 draft draw) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381964) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:55 PM Author: Cruel-hearted Jade Filthpig Library Tioctcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39382003) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:11 AM Author: irradiated misunderstood trailer park generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380218) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:29 AM Author: Doobsian sapphire box office patrolman This thread is some weird shrew-like handmaids tale fantasy about getting your personhood violated by the draft and how you’d #resist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380281) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:34 AM Author: irradiated misunderstood trailer park generalized bond (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380297) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 5:33 AM Author: lemon hospital fat ankles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380533) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 7:51 AM Author: Greedy Avocado Trump Supporter Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380640) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:06 PM Author: at-the-ready amber crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381798) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:22 PM Author: judgmental stead mad-dog skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381872) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:25 PM Author: Mahogany blathering sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381880) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:37 AM Author: Domesticated plaza french chef by IDF? yes
by USA? lol no thats for goyim |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 7:52 AM Author: Greedy Avocado Trump Supporter Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380641) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 3:30 PM Author: Domesticated plaza french chef not required to serve. and i could always get one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39382124) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 9:25 AM Author: histrionic canary university Buddy, you're a section 8 anyways (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380762) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 6:38 AM Author: Insane Lodge Twinkling Uncleanness This is a board for geriatric lawyers we are all too old to be drafted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380576) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 6:40 AM Author: Insane Lodge Twinkling Uncleanness If I wasn’t an old and thought i’d be drafted i’d sign up for OCS and try to get a role killing mussies in a fun way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380577) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 6:45 AM Author: Pearl Stubborn Institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380579) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 6:52 AM Author: Cyan weed whacker factory reset button (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380590) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 7:53 AM Author: Greedy Avocado Trump Supporter Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380643) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:06 PM Author: at-the-ready amber crackhouse Lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381799) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:20 PM Author: abnormal mind-boggling blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381862) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 7:53 AM Author: irradiated misunderstood trailer park generalized bond ITT: Wagecuck slaves fantasizing about taking a stand for something (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380644) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 7:57 AM Author: Greedy Avocado Trump Supporter Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380647) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 9:08 AM Author: Comical brass kitchen I would go in with O4 rank, but that aside yes of course. If your country calls you go. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380740) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 9:17 AM Author: lemon hospital fat ankles (Major Faggot) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380753) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 9:26 AM Author: Greedy Avocado Trump Supporter Corner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39380764) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:04 PM Author: Floppy meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381791) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:25 PM Author: Mahogany blathering sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381881) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:35 PM Author: Bistre school cafeteria son of senegal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381932) |
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Date: January 27th, 2020 3:49 PM Author: Charismatic Corn Cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39497220) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:07 PM Author: Garnet Hall Fuck no. I would be on the first plane to Moscow but only because Israel won’t survive this clusterfuck. It’s why I have three passports. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381805) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:10 PM Author: pea-brained flesh crotch cruise ship Yes. Military service may give my life the meaning it has lacked for so long. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381821) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:12 PM Author: onyx naked preventive strike No way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381833) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:12 PM Author: Bistre school cafeteria son of senegal Can’t be drafted, already served (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381834) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:40 PM Author: histrionic canary university They would call you up long before a draft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39381958) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 3:34 PM Author: Bistre school cafeteria son of senegal Impossible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39382141) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:56 PM Author: Cruel-hearted Jade Filthpig Library I would Hie thee to Pattaya (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39382008) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 2:57 PM Author: Lascivious boiling water Sure. They'd stick me behind a desk somewhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39382012) |
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Date: January 5th, 2020 3:42 PM Author: swashbuckling alcoholic locale pozpig I can’t, my back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#39382189) |
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Date: March 6th, 2026 1:27 PM Author: '"''"'''" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4414714&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310822#49721194) |
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Date: March 6th, 2026 1:30 PM Author: lib quotemo = literally WLMAS = dumb nigger 🚨 this is a WLMAS account 🚨
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Date: March 6th, 2026 1:32 PM Author: JJC (retired) Fuck Jews, war is retarded, etc.
But fuck yeah I would. Would love a guilt free excuse to temporarily bail out on normal life responsibilities and go on an adventure for 2-4 years.
Hopefully could produce some half sand nigger bastards over there while at it. |