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Cowgod, did PS1 have more good RPGs, fighters, or side scroll shooters?

People always talk about PS1 being RPG heavy. However, you d...
internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse
  12/16/24
because the sega saturn was 10x stronger in those genres. PS...
Fluffy keepsake machete
  12/16/24
this is nonsense IMO
internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse
  12/16/24
what ps1 fighting game was better than virtua fighter 2 team...
Fluffy keepsake machete
  12/16/24
PS1 has a deep bench of fighting games and shoot em ups, wtf...
internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse
  12/16/24
Saturn had so many though. The PS1 in reality was basically ...
smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action
  12/16/24
https://racketboy.com/retro/phenominal-playstation-ps1-2d-sh...
internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse
  12/16/24
https://www.thegamer.com/greatest-playstation-one-fighting-g...
internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse
  12/16/24
name some names faggot. you don't seem familiar with the ...
Fluffy keepsake machete
  12/17/24
I own every Saturn game in existence HTH
internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse
  12/17/24
I actually started going through Saturn games to designate f...
michael doodikoff
  12/19/24
I just went through my entire Saturn library, in detail, to ...
michael doodikoff
  12/20/24
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Vance Joy circa Daylight
  12/20/24
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michael doodikoff
  12/20/24
the saturn was honestly such a dog that sega would've been b...
huge, stubbornly tumescent juicy dick
  12/20/24
That conversation between Kutagari and whoever at Sega (Irim...
cowgod
  12/23/24
lmao faggot, here it is blow by blow. The victory goes to Se...
Diamond Dallas Trump
  12/20/24
I will reserve time to research and respond to this. At firs...
michael doodikoff
  12/21/24
*never responds again after getting absolutely PWNED*
Diamond Dallas Trump
  12/23/24
its the holidays, haven't had time yet to get back to this a...
michael doodikoff
  12/23/24
I did a full analysis and review of the Saturn vs PS1 shmup ...
michael doodikoff
  12/24/24
also, even the rpg question becomes difficult if you take sr...
Diamond Dallas Trump
  12/20/24
Wachenroder...
cowgod
  12/23/24
1.5x stronger at most
Charcoal plaza
  12/16/24
The RAM cart was n64-esque
smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action
  12/16/24
actually more useful since it let you load more assets off t...
Charcoal plaza
  12/16/24
Are you an Engineer
smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action
  12/17/24
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internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse
  12/17/24
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Bearded dopamine location
  12/17/24
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Vance Joy circa Daylight
  12/19/24
don't hear much about side scrollers? compared to what? just...
Bearded dopamine location
  12/16/24
Redditors too. At this point enough is enough. I mean it&rsq...
smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action
  12/16/24
curators looking down their noses at side scrollers
Primrose Abnormal Liquid Oxygen
  12/16/24
are side scrollers or vertical scrollers the more prestigiou...
internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse
  12/16/24
i used to play a vertical shooter on my Graphing Calculator
Primrose Abnormal Liquid Oxygen
  12/16/24
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Bearded dopamine location
  12/16/24
Vertical imo
smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action
  12/16/24
I don’t think people back then played video games for ...
smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action
  12/16/24
I'm a fan of side and vertical scrolling shoot em ups. Gigaw...
internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse
  12/16/24
Ok but you can’t beat them
smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action
  12/16/24
no one beats them IIRC
internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse
  12/17/24
I've beaten just about all of them. The tough thing is how t...
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  12/17/24
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Puce comical theater
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einhander
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Date: December 16th, 2024 1:19 PM
Author: internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse

People always talk about PS1 being RPG heavy. However, you don't hear much about its fighters or side/vertical scrolling shooting games. A lot of these were revolutionary. How do you comment?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48454332)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 1:23 PM
Author: Fluffy keepsake machete

because the sega saturn was 10x stronger in those genres. PS1 had G Darius and that's ALL.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48454341)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 1:24 PM
Author: internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse

this is nonsense IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48454344)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 1:31 PM
Author: Fluffy keepsake machete

what ps1 fighting game was better than virtua fighter 2 team battle? toshinden? lmao.

shooters there was no comparison whatsoever. radiant silvergun was a full console gen ahead.

i dont even know what you could hold out as a top side scroller (Tomba or Klonoa?) but i guarantee it would look like a piece of shit next to Astal.

Saturn had the best version of NBA Jam.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48454363)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 2:07 PM
Author: internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse

PS1 has a deep bench of fighting games and shoot em ups, wtf are you talking about

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48454533)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 2:38 PM
Author: smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action

Saturn had so many though. The PS1 in reality was basically as good for these genres hardware wise but Saturn might’ve been a little better, plus had exclusives like Dragon Force and Virtua Fighter. I mean Virtua Fighter is better than Tekken or Soul Blade isn’t it?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48454706)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 5:52 PM
Author: internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse

https://racketboy.com/retro/phenominal-playstation-ps1-2d-shooters-shmups-library

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48455527)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 5:53 PM
Author: internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse

https://www.thegamer.com/greatest-playstation-one-fighting-games-metacritic-scores/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48455531)



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Date: December 17th, 2024 3:34 PM
Author: Fluffy keepsake machete

name some names faggot.

you don't seem familiar with the saturn at all. i don't know what you would hold out as the best ps1 fighter but most of them were choppy as fuck and not playable today, not to mention the worst d-pad of all time for fighting games. virtua fighter 2 was a perfect 60fps and you can still have a good time with it in 2024. And the saturn absolutely mauled the PSX on 2d fighting games like Xmen. The PSX versions had many compromises.

I can't even engage with you on shmups because I have no idea what you are holding out as a good game in this genre. Einhander? Raycrisis? Thunder Force V? All very mid games that aren't in the same class as the saturn heavy hitters.

Let me guess--you didn't own a saturn and further, you didn't own an action replay 4m plus to allow imports + RAM expansion at the same time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48458868)



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Date: December 17th, 2024 4:58 PM
Author: internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse

I own every Saturn game in existence HTH

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48459274)



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Date: December 19th, 2024 2:47 PM
Author: michael doodikoff

I actually started going through Saturn games to designate favorites on my emu PC. Maybe went from Z to T or so, so far. Not going to lie, not seeing many shootmups. Sure Radiant Silvergun is a classic, but name some names that I need to look out for - PS1 looks like its miles ahead in this regard. I will update this later as I go through more



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48466086)



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Date: December 20th, 2024 8:50 AM
Author: michael doodikoff

I just went through my entire Saturn library, in detail, to pull out all of the shmups. Radiant Silvergun was by far the most outstanding title. But otherwise, there were not many options, and a lot of them were found on other systems.

PS1 quite literally has exponentially more shmups and the jump in graphics/etc isn't really that different between the best Saturn ones and the best PS1 ones. I can easily say, with my current knowledge, that PS1 is the better shmup system, by a mile.

I also think that the PS1 has a ton more fighter games, and absolutely a million more RPGs.

I'm curious as to your assertions and need some examples of how I am wrong. TYIA.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48468521)



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Date: December 20th, 2024 12:35 PM
Author: Vance Joy circa Daylight



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48469367)



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Date: December 20th, 2024 12:39 PM
Author: michael doodikoff



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48469382)



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Date: December 20th, 2024 5:31 PM
Author: huge, stubbornly tumescent juicy dick (ELIMINATE TWO THIRDS OF THE SCHOOL DAY)

the saturn was honestly such a dog that sega would've been better off not releasing it. they should've taken ken kutaragi's offer to be a specially privileged playstation dev instead (like namco) but added their own terms on top of it: sega games on playstation would only be available in japan, not the west, because they intend to release their own console 2-3 years later to compete with it. virtua fighter was too good for sony to pass up (not to mention launching unopposed in 1994) so they would've accepted this.

sega would've made way more money that way and would've been perfectly positioned to sweep in in 96 or 97 and dominate everything. they could've even still supported the 32X in 95 to keep their mindshare as a console maker intact; even that wasn't as bad as saturn was.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48470430)



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Date: December 23rd, 2024 10:25 AM
Author: cowgod

That conversation between Kutagari and whoever at Sega (Irimajiri?) is legendary.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48478281)



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Date: December 20th, 2024 8:13 PM
Author: Diamond Dallas Trump

lmao faggot, here it is blow by blow. The victory goes to Sega and that's without even counting Panzer Dragoon and Zwei which would be enough to trump the entire PSX library by themselves. PSX had more jrpgs and twisted metal and metal gear, but you're an abject retard if you think it was ahead in shmups, side scrollers, or fighting games. you basically have to pretend the entire japanese saturn library doesn't exist to take that position.

https://racketboy.com/retro/shmups-sega-saturn-vs-sony-playstation

"Overall, as you can see, Saturn has a larger and much more versatile library of shmups"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48470889)



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Date: December 21st, 2024 12:35 PM
Author: michael doodikoff

I will reserve time to research and respond to this. At first glance, I disagree.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48472516)



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Date: December 23rd, 2024 10:23 AM
Author: Diamond Dallas Trump

*never responds again after getting absolutely PWNED*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48478275)



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Date: December 23rd, 2024 11:52 AM
Author: michael doodikoff

its the holidays, haven't had time yet to get back to this and I'm working right now.

I will note that you specifically cited Panzer Dragoon. That is not a shmup, any more than Star Fox is.

For now and until I am able to fully research this, I stand by my assertion that PS1 is by far the superior console for schmups.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48478618)



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Date: December 24th, 2024 10:50 AM
Author: michael doodikoff

I did a full analysis and review of the Saturn vs PS1 shmup question. Literally sat down with pen and paper to make this comparison.

I understand that you mentioned the Saturn’s “Japanese library” and I will admit that of my 285 Saturn games, I am unaware which are Japanese only titles and which are not. With that caveat, I can only compare that 285 game catalog to my 884 PS1 game catalog.

That said, I pulled ALL of the shmups that I could for the Saturn, and I listed all of the schmups that I added to my “favorites” on my PS1 library. Let me repeat – these are ALL of the Saturn schmups vs the PS1 schmups that I favorited (meaning there are more schmups on the PS1 that I did not favorite). Please see as follows my complete lists. I added an asterisk next to what I consider “exceptional” schmup titles.

I count 7 exceptional PS1 schmups, to Saturn’s 3. A few of these are the same title on both platforms. The results speak for themselves IMHO, please let me know how I am wrong. And no the Panzer Dragon series is not a schmup (it’s a rail shooter) and I did not count any third person flight shooters as schmups (but PS1 has a lot more of these as well).

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

SATURN

*Thunder Force V

*Radian Silvergun

Strikers 1945

Galactic Attack

*DonPachi

Darius II

Darius Gaiden

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

PS1

CT Special Forces Back to Hell

Darius Gaiden

*DoDon Pachi

*Einhander

*G Darius

Gaiseed

Gekioh Shooting King

Gradius Gaiden

In the Hunt

Philosana

*R Type Delta

*Raycrisis Series Termination

*Raystorm

Strikers 1945

Raiden Project

*Thunder Force V



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48481677)



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Date: December 20th, 2024 8:15 PM
Author: Diamond Dallas Trump

also, even the rpg question becomes difficult if you take srpgs into account because Saturn had Mystaria: Realms of Lore which is the holy grail of the genre for those in the know.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48470900)



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Date: December 23rd, 2024 10:27 AM
Author: cowgod

Wachenroder...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48478287)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 6:22 PM
Author: Charcoal plaza

1.5x stronger at most

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48455630)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 7:21 PM
Author: smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action

The RAM cart was n64-esque

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48455830)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 8:15 PM
Author: Charcoal plaza

actually more useful since it let you load more assets off the CD. the N64's ram cart was mostly just used to compensate for the high latency of the memory by laying it out more conveniently for fewer higher-volume accesses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48455998)



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Date: December 17th, 2024 8:24 AM
Author: smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action

Are you an Engineer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48457416)



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Date: December 17th, 2024 8:29 AM
Author: internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48457426)



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Date: December 17th, 2024 9:28 AM
Author: Bearded dopamine location



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Date: December 19th, 2024 1:36 PM
Author: Vance Joy circa Daylight



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Date: December 16th, 2024 1:23 PM
Author: Bearded dopamine location

don't hear much about side scrollers? compared to what? just saying the words "Symphony of the Night" instantly makes 47 y/o GenX gamefaqs dweebs cream their pants.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48454340)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 2:44 PM
Author: smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action

Redditors too. At this point enough is enough. I mean it’s fine. Nobody should be obsessed. People who like “exploring” a map whether it’s a metroidvania or an open world are laughed at by Far Eastern gamers and curators.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48454727)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 4:10 PM
Author: Primrose Abnormal Liquid Oxygen

curators looking down their noses at side scrollers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48455098)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 4:12 PM
Author: internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse

are side scrollers or vertical scrollers the more prestigious shooter game?

I tend to think the answer might be vertical shooters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48455106)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 4:13 PM
Author: Primrose Abnormal Liquid Oxygen

i used to play a vertical shooter on my Graphing Calculator

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48455111)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 4:19 PM
Author: Bearded dopamine location



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Date: December 16th, 2024 8:00 PM
Author: smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action

Vertical imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48455939)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 2:40 PM
Author: smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action

I don’t think people back then played video games for like 2200 hours a year as adults (making the kid equivalent what? 3000k?)

Like there are only so many birthdays and Christmas’s. Yes the fighters were good. Nobody in the west plays shoot ‘em up’s. The easiest shoot em up is more frustrating than Margit. There is no chill shoot ‘em up. Contra or Castlevania are chill by comparison.

Like im a High Loser with no job and yes I can speak to the intellectual merits of Thunder Force but I can’t actually play these games, they’re hard af in a deliberately Sisyphean way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48454710)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 4:02 PM
Author: internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse

I'm a fan of side and vertical scrolling shoot em ups. Gigawing 1 and 2 are glorious, Ikaruga as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48455043)



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Date: December 16th, 2024 7:21 PM
Author: smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action

Ok but you can’t beat them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48455827)



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Date: December 17th, 2024 9:21 AM
Author: internet-worthy mad cow disease bawdyhouse

no one beats them IIRC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48457522)



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Date: December 17th, 2024 3:42 PM
Author: Fluffy keepsake machete

I've beaten just about all of them. The tough thing is how to quantify whether you've "beaten" a game that allows unlimited continues. Is it a one credit clear? There are many such games I can't do that for, but most of them are arcade games that weren't designed to be cleared in one credit and only the truly elite can do it.

But for the games that are balanced to be beaten (i.e. they have game over screens, like a gradius or an r type), I've beaten pretty much every us release and a lot of jp games too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48458898)



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Date: December 17th, 2024 3:57 PM
Author: Puce comical theater



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Date: December 16th, 2024 4:11 PM
Author: Primrose Abnormal Liquid Oxygen

einhander

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5650292&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864",#48455103)



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Date: December 17th, 2024 8:25 AM
Author: smoky fear-inspiring affirmative action



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Date: December 18th, 2024 9:58 AM
Author: michael doodikoff



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