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What would a civil war look like with two blue coasts and a red middle

Divided blue forces or a war on two fronts?
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  02/02/17
just walk outside bro
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america isnt 10 years into a civil war. thats just nyuug gob...
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it's meaningless to think about without accounting for the m...
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  02/02/17
You'd lose all your forces on the coasts, but have a lot of ...
vigorous cocky den
  02/02/17
How many faggot libs can fire a gun? 3 or 4 total?
Vivacious sneaky criminal
  02/02/17
It stands to reason that the nigs would fight for libs.
Floppy yapping love of her life
  08/15/17
so like 5 or 6 then.
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keep in mind that you don't have more than 50 miles outside ...
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control the roads and rails going to the city, wait 3 days f...
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But what about our wine and nuts?
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and avocado toast - don't forget the avocado toast and lu...
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Red would win easily (assuming no foreign intervention).
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A clean territorial split like that doesn't work today. It w...
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markets would crash, trade systems would crumble, the fall i...
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The U.S. has always been a lucky country, and our remarkably...
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"left no permanent harm" Sure, just 90+ years o...
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Exactly. Which is why a second civil war would be a race wa...
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sure dumb fuck, whitey will be completely unified. just as t...
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Fallout 3 at best at worst no life left
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Date: February 2nd, 2017 2:56 AM
Author: Adventurous Bespoke Property Candlestick Maker

Divided blue forces or a war on two fronts?

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Date: January 7th, 2026 8:26 PM
Author: awkward school cafeteria

just walk outside bro

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Date: January 7th, 2026 8:29 PM
Author: awkward school cafeteria

america isnt 10 years into a civil war. thats just nyuug gobbledygook

https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3702611&mc=230&forum_id=2#33999807

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49570779)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 8:37 PM
Author: awkward school cafeteria

It's absolutely fine.

Date: January 29th, 2017 9:49 PM

Author: lawman8

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3508473&forum_id=2#32494554

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Date: January 7th, 2026 9:14 PM
Author: awkward school cafeteria



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Date: January 7th, 2026 10:02 PM
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Date: January 7th, 2026 11:37 PM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 12:28 AM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 6:44 PM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 6:54 PM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 7:12 PM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 7:28 PM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 7:42 PM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 7:55 PM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:25 PM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:49 PM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 11:01 PM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 11:56 PM
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Date: January 11th, 2026 7:07 PM
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Date: January 12th, 2026 5:35 PM
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Date: January 13th, 2026 6:41 PM
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Date: January 14th, 2026 6:56 PM
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Date: January 14th, 2026 10:07 PM
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Date: January 18th, 2026 8:01 PM
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Date: January 19th, 2026 6:54 PM
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Date: January 21st, 2026 5:39 PM
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Date: January 25th, 2026 6:41 PM
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Date: January 26th, 2026 5:39 PM
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Date: January 26th, 2026 6:34 PM
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Date: January 26th, 2026 7:52 PM
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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:41 PM
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Date: February 1st, 2026 8:40 PM
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Date: February 2nd, 2026 4:56 PM
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Date: February 3rd, 2026 7:09 PM
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Date: February 4th, 2026 7:45 PM
Author: nyuug



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Date: February 5th, 2026 6:59 PM
Author: nyuug



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Date: February 9th, 2026 11:50 PM
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Date: January 7th, 2026 8:52 PM
Author: awkward school cafeteria



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Date: February 2nd, 2017 2:57 AM
Author: diverse liquid oxygen

it's meaningless to think about without accounting for the military.

assuming the military is not a participant, it's an effete coast bloodbath.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#32525137)



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Date: February 2nd, 2017 2:58 AM
Author: vigorous cocky den

You'd lose all your forces on the coasts, but have a lot of unmanned equipment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#32525138)



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Date: February 2nd, 2017 3:01 AM
Author: Vivacious sneaky criminal

How many faggot libs can fire a gun? 3 or 4 total?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#32525155)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: Floppy yapping love of her life

It stands to reason that the nigs would fight for libs.

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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:48 PM
Author: stirring startling space

so like 5 or 6 then.

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Date: February 2nd, 2017 3:03 AM
Author: slimy aphrodisiac bbw

keep in mind that you don't have more than 50 miles outside la, sf, portland, or seattle to find very conservative people who would fight against those in the urban centers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#32525166)



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Date: February 2nd, 2017 3:06 AM
Author: Cracking Pea-brained School

control the roads and rails going to the city, wait 3 days for cities to run out of food, watch lib areas degenerate into cannibalism

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Date: February 2nd, 2017 3:07 AM
Author: vigorous cocky den

But what about our wine and nuts?

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Date: February 2nd, 2017 5:37 AM
Author: Multi-colored Range



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:50 PM
Author: Chartreuse charismatic clown

and avocado toast - don't forget the avocado toast

and lube and medical supplies for IBS and HIV

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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:53 PM
Author: Bateful orchestra pit faggotry



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Date: February 2nd, 2017 5:28 AM
Author: Concupiscible toaster

How could they tell? Many of those areas are already post-apocalyptic hellscapes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#32525593)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Ultramarine Stag Film

"control the roads and rails going to the city"

Nigger, you do know that people in Blue cities own guns with lots of bullets, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49574056)



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Date: February 2nd, 2017 5:37 AM
Author: trip harsh digit ratio weed whacker

Red would win easily (assuming no foreign intervention).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#32525601)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:32 PM
Author: Razzle ocher dog poop selfie



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:35 PM
Author: Supple Vermilion Twinkling Uncleanness

A clean territorial split like that doesn't work today. It worked in 1860 because Southern whites were overwhelmingly on board with the secession effort. Right now every state has at least a 25% minority supporting the other side and in most states it's more like a 40% minority or even larger. It would just be an absolute chaotic bloodbath everywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#33995496)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:37 PM
Author: mischievous resort

markets would crash, trade systems would crumble, the fall into anarchy wouldn't take long at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#33995512)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: Ultramarine Stag Film

(Guy who gets it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49574054)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:49 PM
Author: stirring startling space

yeah, it would look a lot more like practically every other civil war; a lot of bloodshed and terrorism across the entire nation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#33995623)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:52 PM
Author: Supple Vermilion Twinkling Uncleanness

The U.S. has always been a lucky country, and our remarkably smooth civil war is a chief example of that. It was bloody, but lasted just 4 years, permanently settled the question the war began over, and left no permanent harm. Most countries are not nearly as lucky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#33995644)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 5:46 PM
Author: clear locus regret

interesting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#33996103)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:56 PM
Author: Ultramarine Stag Film

"left no permanent harm"

Sure, just 90+ years of domestic terrorism and government sanctioned segregation, but no big deal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49574058)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 6:03 PM
Author: Up-to-no-good Transparent Brunch Dopamine

Exactly. Which is why a second civil war would be a race war. Black/Brown/Asian vs. White will be the new Mason Dixon line...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#33996221)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 11:39 PM
Author: ruddy messiness

sure dumb fuck, whitey will be completely unified. just as they are now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49571178)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 11:47 PM
Author: awkward school cafeteria

SHOTS FIRED

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49571202)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:56 PM
Author: Ultramarine Stag Film

I guess the other guy is running "Dumb as Fuck" shctick

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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:38 PM
Author: Vibrant Legal Warrant Corn Cake

Fallout 3 at best

at worst no life left

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#33995521)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:46 PM
Author: sienna nursing home

Cauldron Battle

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Date: August 15th, 2017 6:00 PM
Author: salmon hall

grits all of a sudden the most popular dish in LA/Seattle/Boston, why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#33996201)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 6:04 PM
Author: clear locus regret

lmao good luck getting even the simplest merger or acquisition done in red America. Do those cretins even know what a poison pill is?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#33996232)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 11:46 PM
Author: Magical Locale

Do red states know how to grow anything besides rice and sorghum?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49571200)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 11:44 PM
Author: Magical Locale

Blue states would have all the money and international support. They'd also have all the doctors, engineers and other skilled trades. Lazy stupid shitcons would either get hungry and defect or die from untreated diseases/lack of medicine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49571191)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 10:17 PM
Author: hairless pit

To be fair,

Oh look -- an absolutely retarded hot take from our resident bort Jewish shitlib schizophrenic. Wow, I'm shocked!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49574388)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 9:03 PM
Author: Domesticated step-uncle's house

Wouldn't really be coasts vs. middle America so much as it would be rural + suburban vs. urban. If anything, cities could have their supplies cut off and then they'd fall apart because of internal chaos driven by their demographic mix.

Big money power would probably welcome the fall of mega dysfunctional blue city governments. The idea that "the coasts" are filled with these left leaning Men of Action is plainly retarded. All of these types of men are right leaning, regardless of how their state votes. And even then, if their state is blue, how much of that is driven by demographic realities in a few big cities?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49574081)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 10:00 PM
Author: Ultramarine Stag Film

If their state is red, they will be driven by big cities.

What cities do you think represent the economic engine in Mississippi? It ain't Coffeeville.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49574314)



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Date: January 11th, 2026 7:54 PM
Author: Domesticated step-uncle's house

Most of the economic firepower is driven by white men who are much further to the right than the rest of the population. Overall economic prowess is dependent on people who are conservative more generally.

Places like NYC are blue because of demographics - and these demographics will chimp out when their supply lines are cut off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49581787)



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Date: January 11th, 2026 7:22 PM
Author: Saffron alcoholic kitchen friendly grandma

who cares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49581713)



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Date: January 14th, 2026 6:58 PM
Author: outnumbered tantric theater dragon

It'd look a lot like that video of the MAGA guy throwing haymakers at protesters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310864#49589932)



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Date: February 4th, 2026 7:46 PM
Author: I am God

You ever see disco fries eat oreos

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