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Newsom signs bill banning legacy and donor admissions to Stanford
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Date: September 30th, 2024 2:55 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, to all private non-profits in California, actually. bold move.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2024/09/30/california-bans-legacy-and-donor-preferences-in-admissions-at-private-nonprofit-universities/? |
Date: September 30th, 2024 3:31 PM Author: sealclubber holy shit do libs have shit for brains and newsom is nothing if not a lib Sacramento, California – Governor Gavin Newsom today announced that he has signed AB 1780 by Assemblymember Phil Ting (D-San Francisco) to prohibit legacy and donor preferences in the admissions process for private, nonprofit institutions. Legacy status and donor preferences have long been excluded from the state’s public university admissions process. The University of California system eliminated legacy preferences in 1998.
“In California, everyone should be able to get ahead through merit, skill, and hard work. The California Dream shouldn’t be accessible to just a lucky few, which is why we’re opening the door to higher education wide enough for everyone, fairly.”
Governor Gavin Newsom the proposed new law is in response to not being able to use race in applications, however, not because newsom is some merit proponent. like with every lib, quite the opposite |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:36 PM Author: him (🧐) what are you even actually trying to say (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48146969) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:20 PM Author: sealclubber this bill has nothing to do with merit, skill and hard work. libs don't believe in that, except in sports and entertainment do you believe the state can even dictate to a private university what non-racial, colorblind factors it can use for admissions? |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:29 PM Author: my dog likes Haitian migrants less than I do (Make Pets Safe Again) > this bill has nothing to do with merit, skill and hard work. libs don't believe in that, except in sports and entertainment
Yeah, man. Look at the warm reception Caitlin Clark has gotten from libs as well as the success of the Star Wars franchise. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:34 PM Author: sealclubber do you need me to clarify, libs don't believe in that, except, sometimes, in sports and entertainment? that doesn't change anything about my initial claim |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:34 PM Author: my dog likes Haitian migrants less than I do (Make Pets Safe Again) Good to see you poasting with us, Kathleen Kennedy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147399) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:37 PM Author: "'''''"'''"""''''" Is there any defensible reason to be for this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48146970) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:40 PM Author: jsm Basically "payback" against Whites for ban on AA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48146974) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:58 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147046) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:06 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, true
interestingly, if the schools actually abide by this new law -- not a given -- it will hurt UMC blacks. |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:42 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, in a completely alternate universe, i'd like private universities that take $1 of federal money to still be able to make their own decisions on all sorts of issues. i don't like the current regime of "you took the king's schilling and now we will regulate you completely." so i'd be ok with private universities doing mostly whatever the hell they want to, so long as they are open and honest about it.
in the real world, this sort of law has mixed results, i think. it weakens alumni support at the margin. but it means that rich kids don't have an inside track.
what do you think? |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:12 PM Author: grape vine College admissions should be based purely on merit? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147099) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:49 PM Author: bho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147448) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:14 PM Author: ti (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147538) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:50 PM Author: Kenneth Play Similar to favoring low inheritance taxes, because a lot of motivation for the individual to succeed is to make life better for his descendants. A school that allows this to happen ensures that older graduates stay engaged with supporting the institution instead of just spreading their support to wherever their kids get in. There's something neat about the continuity. - You could convince me that considering legacy should be banned, though, even though having multiple family members attend the same university is still cool and beautiful. I tried to make the argument for legacy above |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:55 PM Author: Charles Tyrwhitt Dad Suspect the promise of legacy admits is a huge money-maker for the elite colleges. They're not using legacies to perpetuate some waspocracy that died out in the late 1960s. The *only* reason I donate to my alma mater is on the off chance it helps if my kids want to apply in a few years. Which I also struggle with because my alma mater isn't what it was 20 years ago and is a shitlib tyranny and I'd rather the kids go somewhere sane. If legacy plays no role in admissions, my donations stop immediately. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147463) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:40 PM Author: jsm Assuming the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates most provisions of the Bill of Rights (which I think is bullshit, but is how it is) into the application state law -- I never understood how any laws like this don't violate the first amendment.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:43 PM Author: Kenneth Peacock Tynan so non-jew white male admissions will go from 4% to 1% perhaps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48146980) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:59 PM Author: Soren "Bob" Odenkierkegaard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147048) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:45 PM Author: Reverend Right can't think of a good reason for being against this while also being against AA (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48146987) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:47 PM Author: him (🧐) cr
the "private institutions rights" line of argument is perfectly valid, but there aren't many good reasons to be against AA and for legacy nonsense |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:52 PM Author: richard clock (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147455) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:00 PM Author: Hawk Taulia Tagovailoa (High Constitutional Moment) Because it's illegal to discriminate on the basis of race. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147487) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:02 PM Author: bho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147496) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:47 PM Author: ti 180 a million. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48146997) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 3:49 PM Author: lab didn't his wife literally eat the peanuts out of weinstein's turtle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147005) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:01 PM Author: Risten She described under oath how she moaned like a whore for him, not flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147056) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:08 PM Author: lab jfc lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147085) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:12 PM Author: bcs (🍑 Pronouns: Ausländer/Raus döp dödö döp) ljl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147098) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:46 PM Author: Kenneth Play and then the jury found that she did so willingly, for monetary gain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147445) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:10 PM Author: ai based
anyone with a brain should be against "legacy admissions" |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:24 PM Author: sealclubber you don't get to tell a private university it cannot use legacy as a factor in its admissions. it's not the government's place to care or get itself involved in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147364) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:28 PM Author: ai shut the fuck up you drooling retard
these "private" universities only exist b/c of gov backed loans and federal research grants |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:35 PM Author: sealclubber so the government does have a right to tell them how to handle admissions? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147401) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:20 PM Author: rickpanama (1) the only 'preference' in admissions should be for athletes, because it's reasonable to look at their aptitude in sports and understand the time invested in that kept them from fake af ec's like 'starting a non-profit' and 'doing research'. ball don't lie (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147127) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:41 PM Author: Sean South of Garryowen I have come to the conclusion that I am not really against AA or legacy admits. I guess you could base admission on some weighted scale of standardized testing, grades and extracurriculars (even these are questionable on pure merit based admission, maybe) You get above a certain score you get into UTexas or Harvard or whatever. But I don't really see that as being any better than what we had before. A school full of asians and jews? Sounds great! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147191) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:46 PM Author: Kenneth Peacock Tynan the thing is, even if you get rid of legacy admits AND AA, you still don't have a 'meritocracy' because some mystery factor is creating massive over representation of Jews even after controlling for test scores/IQ/population size. see: the notorious UNZ story documenting this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147201) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:50 PM Author: Sean South of Garryowen odd case (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147213) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:45 PM Author: Kenneth Play what's the conclusion, expected kinship network assistance, also with indian-americans? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147444) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:51 PM Author: Charles Tyrwhitt Dad For the antisemites on here, J enrollment at the elite colleges have steadily declined in the last 20 years. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147452) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:27 PM Author: jsm Fuck libs, but if private lib uni's want to admit a bunch of retarded URM and/or legacies with 100 point lower than normal SAT scores, none of my business. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147374) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:00 PM Author: oli there arent any private universities, except for hillsdale college which is funded entirely privately. "private" universities all use taxpayer money in the form of student loans so they are just public universities by another name. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147484) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:03 PM Author: jsm Non responsive to my "aught"-based point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147500) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:04 PM Author: oli what point is that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147502) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:05 PM Author: jsm "Fuck libs, but if private lib uni's want to admit a bunch of retarded URM and/or legacies with 100 point lower than normal SAT scores, none of my business." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147505) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:06 PM Author: oli there arent any private universities, except for hillsdale college which is funded entirely privately. "private" universities all use taxpayer money in the form of student loans so they are just public universities by another name.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:33 PM Author: jsm You can't make up your own definitions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147575) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:59 PM Author: oli the defense against eliminating legacy admits is that stanford is an elite university and there are factors that are more important that academics, like character, leadership ability, chads who come from long lines of prominent families who have served the country in high profile govt roles or have been generals or have succeeded in businesses to a really high degree, and that the potential of those students is worth far more than a superstudy who will get 1600 on the sats but otherwise has no civic or redeeming character or qualities
of course rationale works when you have noblesse oblige but those days have long since passed and every one of them are going to work for blackstone or whatever so this is a good thing overall |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:03 PM Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;.., Nobody itt has mentioned legacies and donors… donate. The schools need revenue. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147497) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:03 PM Author: doo if anything it seems like they have too much revenue (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147501) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:04 PM Author: bho (Bill Ackman) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147503) |
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:32 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "in the real world, this sort of law has mixed results, i think. it weakens alumni support at the margin. but it means that rich kids don't have an inside track." up above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5603867&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880",#48147570) |