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Just settled a 6 figure slip and trip case. Taking ?'s

Client slipped on some fruit dropped on the ground in a groc...
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
great work. i’ll be sure to think of you the next time...
godawful olive property telephone
  12/15/25
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sticky sienna resort clown
  12/15/25
Sure, blame the injured poor person. Not the greedy corpo...
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
lol just lol.
godawful olive property telephone
  12/15/25
so was there some deficiency in the cleaning that led to you...
garnet wonderful stage toaster
  12/15/25
If it's such a "known hazard", then why didn't the...
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
? no store can keep the floor spotless. and any customer wa...
garnet wonderful stage toaster
  12/15/25
That's not what the law says. It clearly says if you hav...
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
so then why don't stores just write policies that say we'll ...
garnet wonderful stage toaster
  12/15/25
They do. But their dumbass employees never follow the da...
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
Ty, that's interesting I guess. Not sure why your client sh...
garnet wonderful stage toaster
  12/15/25
Because the insurance adjuster knew that if I got in front o...
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
because this has nothing to do with the law or morality but ...
godawful olive property telephone
  12/15/25
"who simply pass on the costs to regular productive cit...
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
a) there is no “hazard.” tell your fucking bozo ...
godawful olive property telephone
  12/15/25
You're supposed to wear boots, not deep-throat them you dumb...
Black glittery spot
  12/16/25
i explained why they settle in my initial poast, but your po...
godawful olive property telephone
  12/16/25
What a great business model! "Let's just pay a six f...
Black glittery spot
  12/16/25
if this is a representative display of your logical reasonin...
godawful olive property telephone
  12/16/25
>”6 figure” >$110K
buff high-end chapel coffee pot
  12/15/25
1-0-0-0-0-0 Do you see 5 or 6 digits in that number?
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
Oh so it was actually 100K not 110k?
buff high-end chapel coffee pot
  12/15/25
You're asking the wrong question. The RIGHT question is:...
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
You're a shit bag and should be summarily executed.
Zombie-like Copper Hall Son Of Senegal
  12/15/25
Execute me inside of the same store. Hopefully someone w...
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
give us some details about your practice. when you started, ...
federal principal's office
  12/15/25
Opened my own shop shortly before COVID shut down every cour...
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
You’re clearing a million? What market.. Legit ques...
heady church building mexican
  12/15/25
Your personal network is the greatest source of referrals. ...
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
18000000. Congrats man. I honestly think slip and falls are ...
provocative mother
  12/15/25
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Infuriating Old Irish Cottage
  12/15/25
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provocative mother
  12/15/25
They aren't bad at all if you learn how to work them up prop...
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
...
provocative mother
  12/15/25
...
Costumed Twinkling Location Faggot Firefighter
  12/16/25
What are the demographics of your litigious clients?
aqua elite university
  12/15/25
POC. Although, I just settled another premises case last...
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
do banana peel cases pay more than apple peel cases
marvelous fuchsia associate
  12/15/25
Why the fuck would a banana peel be on the floor?
Black glittery spot
  12/15/25
How often do you consider the fact that your existence is a ...
Avocado aphrodisiac state sneaky criminal
  12/16/25
Considering how much money I put in my clients' pockets. . ....
Black glittery spot
  12/16/25
Good work OP. Specials?
Indigo faggotry hunting ground
  12/16/25
Yes please tell us the specials. Congrats on the settlement ...
Motley pisswyrm knife
  12/16/25
Injury to her middle, and lower back. Several rounds of ...
Black glittery spot
  12/16/25
How’s the venue? Solid result either way, just wonderi...
Motley pisswyrm knife
  12/16/25
Venue is Blue-ish. 10 years ago, it was solidly Red, but ...
Black glittery spot
  12/16/25
How is fruit not open and obvious? Was it invisible fruit?
claret point degenerate
  12/16/25
It's open and obvious if you can prove that it ws not on the...
Black glittery spot
  12/16/25
180
provocative mother
  12/17/25
I can't tell whether PI lawyers are 100% evil shitbags who a...
Zombie-like Copper Hall Son Of Senegal
  12/16/25
Keep licking those boots, faggot
Black glittery spot
  12/16/25
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...,....,,........
  12/25/25
I've never done a slip and fall, but i've seen the facts of ...
the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)
  12/25/25
Bingo! You gotta have a "good" client to scare the...
...,....,,........
  12/27/25
my first slip and fall was client slipped on ice cream on th...
No Paye No Gain
  12/25/25
Why was the ice cream just laying on the floor? Didn't th...
...,....,,........
  12/27/25


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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:20 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

Client slipped on some fruit dropped on the ground in a grocery store.

Fell and busted her ass.

Case settled for little over $110k.

Case resolved after taking just my client's deposition. No MSJ's.

Probably one of my easier cases to resolve.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512268)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:23 PM
Author: godawful olive property telephone

great work. i’ll be sure to think of you the next time i buy a $9 gallon of milk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512278)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:23 PM
Author: sticky sienna resort clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512280)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:24 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

Sure, blame the injured poor person.

Not the greedy corporate overlords that decide to fuck over other customers rather than reduce their profit margins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512283)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:32 PM
Author: godawful olive property telephone

lol just lol.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512310)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 10:57 PM
Author: garnet wonderful stage toaster

so was there some deficiency in the cleaning that led to your client to slip on the fruit? it's sort of a known hazard in the grocery store

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512775)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:02 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

If it's such a "known hazard", then why didn't the store do a better job of keeping it from happening?

Who is in a stronger position to prevent such a "known hazard" from happening? My client or the owner of the property who has a written policy THAT EXPLICITLY SAYS TO CHECK THE FLOORS FOR DROPPED FOOD?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512790)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:05 PM
Author: garnet wonderful stage toaster

? no store can keep the floor spotless. and any customer walking around a display of apples and bananas should consider the possibility that one would've fallen onto the floor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512796)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:07 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

That's not what the law says.

It clearly says if you have a cleaning/safety policy and your employees fail to follow that policy then, DING-FAG, you're liable for any injuries that occur.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512801)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:09 PM
Author: garnet wonderful stage toaster

so then why don't stores just write policies that say we'll pick up every once in a while, and try to keep it clean, but hey nobody is perfect

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512805)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:11 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

They do.

But their dumbass employees never follow the damn policy.

After I get a copy of the cleaning policy, and then depose their corporate rep, I always discover where the employee fucked up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512809)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:13 PM
Author: garnet wonderful stage toaster

Ty, that's interesting I guess. Not sure why your client should get $110k out of it though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512811)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:15 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

Because the insurance adjuster knew that if I got in front of a jury, they'd end up paying more than that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512817)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:14 PM
Author: godawful olive property telephone

because this has nothing to do with the law or morality but rather leveraging our kafkaesque legal bureaucracy stoked by the resentment of losers like op’s clientele into extracting “just fucking go away” money from risk-averse committee decisionmakers who simply pass on the costs to regular productive citizens.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512815)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:21 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

"who simply pass on the costs to regular productive citizens"

So the blame should be on the corporate overlords who:

a) created the hazard that injured the customer;

b) forced the injured customer into litigation instead of just paying for her medical treatment;

c) Pass the bullshit costs of litigation onto customers rather than eating the cost for their own fuckup

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512827)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:46 PM
Author: godawful olive property telephone

a) there is no “hazard.” tell your fucking bozo clients, who are almost certainly career leeches in the first place, not to slip on banana peels like a shitty vaudeville act.

b) i would confidently bet at least that six-figure settlement amount that the “medical” “treatment” your client received was worth less than 50% of the settlement value even after deducting your cut.

c) why would they do that, when every competitor is beholden to the same gunpoint tort bullshit? the shamelessness and/or retardation that enables you to envision yourself as robin hood just because somebody, somewhere (who is at least providing a valuable service) makes more money explains a lot about your renttt-seeking career path.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512865)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 1:42 AM
Author: Black glittery spot

You're supposed to wear boots, not deep-throat them you dumb faggot.

If my client was such a lying fraud, why did the insurance company roll over and pay?

They're a multi-billion dollar company, surely they could afford to have their CHILL AS FUCK CHAD of a defense lawyer go to trial and mop the floor with my weak case.

It would probably be a lot cheaper than writing a check for 6 figures to an "obvious fraud"

Maybe. . .just maybe, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and need to suck my dick from the back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512966)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 10:13 AM
Author: godawful olive property telephone

i explained why they settle in my initial poast, but your point about the id attorneys is helpful. if you were anything other than a nuisance piker, do you think corps would uniformly hire the absolute bottom-of-the-barrel sadsack lawyers to “defend” against your surely devastating legal assault? they’ve already priced it in, with the waste ultimately absorbed by everyone except your worthless clients and scamster colleagues. so congratulations!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49513423)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 12:07 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

What a great business model!

"Let's just pay a six figure settlement IN ADDITION to the $25k we dropped on defense costs against an obviously weak case that we'd surely win at trial!"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49513696)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 5:40 PM
Author: godawful olive property telephone

if this is a representative display of your logical reasoning and argumentation abilities, then i can see why you’re so excited about the settlement.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49514920)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:25 PM
Author: buff high-end chapel coffee pot

>”6 figure”

>$110K

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512289)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:27 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

1-0-0-0-0-0

Do you see 5 or 6 digits in that number?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512294)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:29 PM
Author: buff high-end chapel coffee pot

Oh so it was actually 100K not 110k?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512298)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:31 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

You're asking the wrong question.

The RIGHT question is:

"How does it feel to know that your children will have a wonderful Christmas because of Daddy's hardwork."

To that, I would answer,

"It feels good, Jerry, it feels real good."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512304)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:32 PM
Author: Zombie-like Copper Hall Son Of Senegal

You're a shit bag and should be summarily executed.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512305)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:32 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

Execute me inside of the same store.

Hopefully someone will slip on my blood and they'll be ANOTHER 6-figure hit against their policy!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512309)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:32 PM
Author: federal principal's office

give us some details about your practice. when you started, prior experience, employees, income, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512306)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:35 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

Opened my own shop shortly before COVID shut down every court.

worked for a small PI bro in a small town for a few years.

4 employees.

income, to quote the poet-laurette Lil'Wayne:

A Milli-A Milli-A Milli-A Milli

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512315)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: heady church building mexican

You’re clearing a million? What market..

Legit question. Been thinking of going solo pi work…no access to cases yet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512597)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 10:57 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

Your personal network is the greatest source of referrals.

Once you start taking cases, tell EVERYBODY YOU POSSIBLY CAN that you do PI. They will start sending people to you little by little.

Also, start reading books on how to manage a small business. The key to becoming and STAYING profitable is learning how to manage payroll while you're pushing the boulder uphill towards a settlement/verdict.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512773)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 7:42 PM
Author: provocative mother

18000000. Congrats man. I honestly think slip and falls are underrated in shitlaw. I’m not above getting completely covered in shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512325)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 9:38 PM
Author: Infuriating Old Irish Cottage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512635)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 10:00 PM
Author: provocative mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512676)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:00 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

They aren't bad at all if you learn how to work them up properly.

The key to surviving summary judgment is proving that the employees fucked up by not following the corporate cleaning/safety policy.

You do that, you'll make it past SJ and head to a trial calendar. Once that happens, they'll fold and pay you.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512784)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:51 PM
Author: provocative mother



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512871)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 1:30 AM
Author: Costumed Twinkling Location Faggot Firefighter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512956)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: aqua elite university

What are the demographics of your litigious clients?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512705)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:06 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

POC.

Although, I just settled another premises case last week for $120k. Client was a white woman.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512799)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 10:26 PM
Author: marvelous fuchsia associate

do banana peel cases pay more than apple peel cases

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512710)



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Date: December 15th, 2025 11:09 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

Why the fuck would a banana peel be on the floor?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512806)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 1:40 AM
Author: Avocado aphrodisiac state sneaky criminal

How often do you consider the fact that your existence is a complete waste of time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512963)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 1:43 AM
Author: Black glittery spot

Considering how much money I put in my clients' pockets. . .not too often.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49512968)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 9:37 AM
Author: Indigo faggotry hunting ground

Good work OP. Specials?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49513322)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 11:12 AM
Author: Motley pisswyrm knife

Yes please tell us the specials. Congrats on the settlement I hope you get more

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49513530)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 12:08 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

Injury to her middle, and lower back.

Several rounds of physical therapy and injections.

No surgical recommendation tho.

Bills were about $40k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49513698)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 7:17 PM
Author: Motley pisswyrm knife

How’s the venue? Solid result either way, just wondering.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49515185)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 10:17 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

Venue is Blue-ish.

10 years ago, it was solidly Red, but now LIBS have slowly taken over that jurisdiction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49515646)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 5:50 PM
Author: claret point degenerate

How is fruit not open and obvious? Was it invisible fruit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49514940)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 10:19 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

It's open and obvious if you can prove that it ws not on the floor long enough for the store to clean it up.

If store performed floor checks every 15 min, then there is nothing they can do about fruit falling on the ground. No liability.

However, the store was unable to prove when was the last time it had performed a safety floor check, thus there was no way to prove that it was in compliance with its own safety policy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49515648)



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Date: December 17th, 2025 10:21 AM
Author: provocative mother

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49516279)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 6:02 PM
Author: Zombie-like Copper Hall Son Of Senegal

I can't tell whether PI lawyers are 100% evil shitbags who are 100% aware of the evil they perpetrate, or 99% evil shit ags who manage to delude themselves into thinking they're not 100% evil.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49514967)



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Date: December 16th, 2025 10:19 PM
Author: Black glittery spot

Keep licking those boots, faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49515649)



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Date: December 25th, 2025 12:49 PM
Author: ...,....,,........



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49539226)



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Date: December 25th, 2025 2:17 PM
Author: the walter white of this generation (walt jr.)

I've never done a slip and fall, but i've seen the facts of a handful (mediated one, had a shitlaw friend tell me about another, saw video that got passed around the trial lawyers of a third).

I'm obviously generalizing from a small sample, but it seems like to settle for this amount the facts have to be a lot more evocative than anyone normally thinks of when they think of a slip and fall.

I recall one being this old as fuck guy using a cane--he clearly should have been using a walker or a wheelchair, because he looked shaky as shit even just walking around normally--and the plf's att'y spliced together the footage of the different cameras of him slowly, creekily walking to an aisle that had spilled laundry detergent, and watching the leadup (and knowing basically what was going to happen) gave you that same 'oh no'/look-away feeling you get from watching a video that you know is going to gross you out or make you sad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49539316)



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Date: December 27th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: ...,....,,........

Bingo! You gotta have a "good" client to scare the Claims Adjuster into putting serious money on the table.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5810735&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310880#49543098)



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Date: December 25th, 2025 3:39 PM
Author: No Paye No Gain

my first slip and fall was client slipped on ice cream on the ice cream store floor.

Not my favorite cases but sometimes they pay!

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Date: December 27th, 2025 3:00 PM
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Why was the ice cream just laying on the floor?

Didn't they have a cleaning policy?

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