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What would a civil war look like with two blue coasts and a red middle

Divided blue forces or a war on two fronts?
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just walk outside bro
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america isnt 10 years into a civil war. thats just nyuug gob...
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You'd lose all your forces on the coasts, but have a lot of ...
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  02/02/17
How many faggot libs can fire a gun? 3 or 4 total?
Harsh striped hyena
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It stands to reason that the nigs would fight for libs.
rusted judgmental theater stage pervert
  08/15/17
so like 5 or 6 then.
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keep in mind that you don't have more than 50 miles outside ...
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control the roads and rails going to the city, wait 3 days f...
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But what about our wine and nuts?
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and avocado toast - don't forget the avocado toast and lu...
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How could they tell? Many of those areas are already post-ap...
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Red would win easily (assuming no foreign intervention).
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A clean territorial split like that doesn't work today. It w...
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markets would crash, trade systems would crumble, the fall i...
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yeah, it would look a lot more like practically every other ...
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The U.S. has always been a lucky country, and our remarkably...
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"left no permanent harm" Sure, just 90+ years o...
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Exactly. Which is why a second civil war would be a race wa...
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sure dumb fuck, whitey will be completely unified. just as t...
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SHOTS FIRED
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I guess the other guy is running "Dumb as Fuck" sh...
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Fallout 3 at best at worst no life left
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grits all of a sudden the most popular dish in LA/Seattle/Bo...
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Blue states would have all the money and international suppo...
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Wouldn't really be coasts vs. middle America so much as it w...
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Most of the economic firepower is driven by white men who ar...
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Date: February 2nd, 2017 2:56 AM
Author: Impressive chapel

Divided blue forces or a war on two fronts?

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Date: January 7th, 2026 8:26 PM
Author: Sinister Resort

just walk outside bro

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Date: January 7th, 2026 8:29 PM
Author: Sinister Resort

america isnt 10 years into a civil war. thats just nyuug gobbledygook

https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3702611&mc=230&forum_id=2#33999807

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#49570779)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 8:37 PM
Author: Sinister Resort

It's absolutely fine.

Date: January 29th, 2017 9:49 PM

Author: lawman8

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3508473&forum_id=2#32494554

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Date: January 7th, 2026 9:14 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 7th, 2026 10:02 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 7th, 2026 11:37 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 8th, 2026 12:28 AM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 8th, 2026 6:44 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 8th, 2026 6:54 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 8th, 2026 7:12 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 8th, 2026 7:28 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 8th, 2026 7:42 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 8th, 2026 7:55 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:25 PM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:49 PM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 11:01 PM
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Date: January 8th, 2026 11:56 PM
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Date: January 11th, 2026 7:07 PM
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Date: January 12th, 2026 5:35 PM
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Date: January 13th, 2026 6:41 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 14th, 2026 6:56 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 14th, 2026 10:07 PM
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Date: January 18th, 2026 8:01 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 19th, 2026 6:54 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 21st, 2026 5:39 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 25th, 2026 6:41 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 26th, 2026 5:39 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 26th, 2026 6:34 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 26th, 2026 7:52 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: January 29th, 2026 5:41 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: February 1st, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: February 2nd, 2026 4:56 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: February 3rd, 2026 7:09 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: February 4th, 2026 7:45 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: February 5th, 2026 6:59 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: February 9th, 2026 11:50 PM
Author: nyuug



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Date: January 7th, 2026 8:52 PM
Author: Sinister Resort



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Date: February 2nd, 2017 2:57 AM
Author: Lime national travel guidebook

it's meaningless to think about without accounting for the military.

assuming the military is not a participant, it's an effete coast bloodbath.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#32525137)



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Date: February 2nd, 2017 2:58 AM
Author: pontificating tantric laser beams

You'd lose all your forces on the coasts, but have a lot of unmanned equipment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#32525138)



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Date: February 2nd, 2017 3:01 AM
Author: Harsh striped hyena

How many faggot libs can fire a gun? 3 or 4 total?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#32525155)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:47 PM
Author: rusted judgmental theater stage pervert

It stands to reason that the nigs would fight for libs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#33995607)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:48 PM
Author: appetizing silver pit

so like 5 or 6 then.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#33995609)



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Date: February 2nd, 2017 3:03 AM
Author: Titillating son of senegal center

keep in mind that you don't have more than 50 miles outside la, sf, portland, or seattle to find very conservative people who would fight against those in the urban centers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#32525166)



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Date: February 2nd, 2017 3:06 AM
Author: crystalline gaped marketing idea

control the roads and rails going to the city, wait 3 days for cities to run out of food, watch lib areas degenerate into cannibalism

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Date: February 2nd, 2017 3:07 AM
Author: pontificating tantric laser beams

But what about our wine and nuts?

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Date: February 2nd, 2017 5:37 AM
Author: diverse dead locale



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:50 PM
Author: ruby immigrant

and avocado toast - don't forget the avocado toast

and lube and medical supplies for IBS and HIV

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#33995626)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:53 PM
Author: umber pistol



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Date: February 2nd, 2017 5:28 AM
Author: hyperventilating stage halford

How could they tell? Many of those areas are already post-apocalyptic hellscapes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#32525593)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Drunken native

"control the roads and rails going to the city"

Nigger, you do know that people in Blue cities own guns with lots of bullets, right?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#49574056)



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Date: February 2nd, 2017 5:37 AM
Author: black personal credit line

Red would win easily (assuming no foreign intervention).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#32525601)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:32 PM
Author: Opaque rigpig



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:35 PM
Author: flirting point

A clean territorial split like that doesn't work today. It worked in 1860 because Southern whites were overwhelmingly on board with the secession effort. Right now every state has at least a 25% minority supporting the other side and in most states it's more like a 40% minority or even larger. It would just be an absolute chaotic bloodbath everywhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#33995496)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:37 PM
Author: marvelous voyeur

markets would crash, trade systems would crumble, the fall into anarchy wouldn't take long at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#33995512)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: Drunken native

(Guy who gets it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#49574054)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:49 PM
Author: appetizing silver pit

yeah, it would look a lot more like practically every other civil war; a lot of bloodshed and terrorism across the entire nation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#33995623)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:52 PM
Author: flirting point

The U.S. has always been a lucky country, and our remarkably smooth civil war is a chief example of that. It was bloody, but lasted just 4 years, permanently settled the question the war began over, and left no permanent harm. Most countries are not nearly as lucky.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#33995644)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 5:46 PM
Author: white area

interesting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#33996103)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:56 PM
Author: Drunken native

"left no permanent harm"

Sure, just 90+ years of domestic terrorism and government sanctioned segregation, but no big deal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#49574058)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 6:03 PM
Author: hateful church

Exactly. Which is why a second civil war would be a race war. Black/Brown/Asian vs. White will be the new Mason Dixon line...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#33996221)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 11:39 PM
Author: Shimmering library

sure dumb fuck, whitey will be completely unified. just as they are now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#49571178)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 11:47 PM
Author: Sinister Resort

SHOTS FIRED

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Date: January 8th, 2026 8:56 PM
Author: Drunken native

I guess the other guy is running "Dumb as Fuck" shctick

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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:38 PM
Author: shivering erotic trailer park

Fallout 3 at best

at worst no life left

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#33995521)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 4:46 PM
Author: infuriating ebony messiness skinny woman

Cauldron Battle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#33995593)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 6:00 PM
Author: talking sneaky criminal

grits all of a sudden the most popular dish in LA/Seattle/Boston, why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#33996201)



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Date: August 15th, 2017 6:04 PM
Author: white area

lmao good luck getting even the simplest merger or acquisition done in red America. Do those cretins even know what a poison pill is?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#33996232)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 11:46 PM
Author: frisky foreskin brethren

Do red states know how to grow anything besides rice and sorghum?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#49571200)



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Date: January 7th, 2026 11:44 PM
Author: frisky foreskin brethren

Blue states would have all the money and international support. They'd also have all the doctors, engineers and other skilled trades. Lazy stupid shitcons would either get hungry and defect or die from untreated diseases/lack of medicine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#49571191)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 10:17 PM
Author: Ivory wonderful private investor

To be fair,

Oh look -- an absolutely retarded hot take from our resident bort Jewish shitlib schizophrenic. Wow, I'm shocked!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#49574388)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 9:03 PM
Author: irradiated nofapping milk station

Wouldn't really be coasts vs. middle America so much as it would be rural + suburban vs. urban. If anything, cities could have their supplies cut off and then they'd fall apart because of internal chaos driven by their demographic mix.

Big money power would probably welcome the fall of mega dysfunctional blue city governments. The idea that "the coasts" are filled with these left leaning Men of Action is plainly retarded. All of these types of men are right leaning, regardless of how their state votes. And even then, if their state is blue, how much of that is driven by demographic realities in a few big cities?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3512934&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310894#49574081)



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Date: January 8th, 2026 10:00 PM
Author: Drunken native

If their state is red, they will be driven by big cities.

What cities do you think represent the economic engine in Mississippi? It ain't Coffeeville.

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Date: January 11th, 2026 7:54 PM
Author: irradiated nofapping milk station

Most of the economic firepower is driven by white men who are much further to the right than the rest of the population. Overall economic prowess is dependent on people who are conservative more generally.

Places like NYC are blue because of demographics - and these demographics will chimp out when their supply lines are cut off.

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Date: January 11th, 2026 7:22 PM
Author: High-end Duck-like University

who cares

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Date: January 14th, 2026 6:58 PM
Author: Multi-colored Orange Church Building Scourge Upon The Earth

It'd look a lot like that video of the MAGA guy throwing haymakers at protesters.

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Date: February 4th, 2026 7:46 PM
Author: twisted hall internal respiration

You ever see disco fries eat oreos

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