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MLB Bros: Is Skenes' Cy Young @ 10-10 Worst For SP? (De Grom Won @ 10-9, 11-8)
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:48 PM Author: Jet-lagged Set Old Irish Cottage king felix won at 13-12.
obv relief pitchers have won with worse or losing records, but incredible how far baseball has come that a 10-10 record can win a cy young. |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:49 PM Author: walnut heaven didnt some closers with a losing record win? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49360993) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:57 PM Author: Aphrodisiac wagecucks business firm Apparently only Gagne in '03. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361004) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:00 AM Author: Jet-lagged Set Old Irish Cottage n.b. looks like sutter won a cy @ 6-6 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361009) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM Author: Jet-lagged Set Old Irish Cottage yes, hence "SP" in the thread title and "obv relief pitchers" int he OP (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361006) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:59 PM Author: walnut heaven sheeit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361008) |
Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM Author: Navy trump supporter menage cy young was a great pitcher, but he didn't get a lot of wins (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361005) |
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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM Author: walnut heaven good point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361007) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:10 AM Author: deep mahogany doctorate Cr it's not the Cy WINS award (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361025) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:27 AM Author: beady-eyed electric furnace He literally has the most wins and the most losses of any MLB pitcher ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361092) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:29 AM Author: Charcoal juggernaut death wish you cant just magically win games as a pitcher when you dont give up any runs to begin with. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361097) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:00 AM Author: Jet-lagged Set Old Irish Cottage poor RC? nobody ITT is shitting on skenes. ITT we all recognize he's on a terrible team
the issue ITT is discussion of a fundamental shift in baseball thinking -- away from wins and losses, and toward advance stats. which is a good thing. a guy with a 10-10 record and a sub-2 ERA would never have won the cy prior to ~15 years ago bc of hur durr writers |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:14 AM Author: Bright arousing blood rage plaza See: 2004 NL Cy Young, where Clemens beat Big Unit because Roger was 18-4 while Randy was 16-14. Randy led the league in WAR (8.4 to Roger's 5.4), strike outs, WHIP, ERA+, and had 2.60 ERA to Roger's 2.98.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.shtml#all_NL_CYA_voting |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:27 AM Author: Jet-lagged Set Old Irish Cottage great example. yankee fan who loved clemens then -- even after he left -- and i was totally fine with that outcome at the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361383) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:49 AM Author: Bright arousing blood rage plaza Randy was 40 years old that year and threw a perfect game.
Ben Sheets actually also had way better stats than Roger but because he played in Milwaukee nobody gave a shit and he only got ONE tiny pink vote |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:07 AM Author: Jet-lagged Set Old Irish Cottage Did randy juice? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361583) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:32 AM Author: Bright arousing blood rage plaza Not sure why that matters but probably given that everyone juiced and he was coming off injuries in 2003 and he was so good as he got old. Argument against him juicing: he has never been accused, his stats can be explained by learning control as he got older/gave up a couple MPH. Conclusion: he's 18000000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361619) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:39 AM Author: Jet-lagged Set Old Irish Cottage It’s an interesting question given he’s never been linked. Guys not linked that obviously doped, like David Ortiz, are heroes in the baseball media because they didn’t dope. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361626) |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:55 AM Author: irradiated site private investor Only 3 players pitched 200+ innings.
In 2019, 15 pitchers did that. |
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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:21 AM Author: Jet-lagged Set Old Irish Cottage these guys still have as many injuries and tommy john surgeries despite all this pussy pitch count crap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310905#49361477) |