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Should I spend $2k on these floor speakers?
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Date: December 1st, 2025 10:57 AM Author: Splenetic charismatic kitty station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49473997) |
Date: December 1st, 2025 10:59 AM Author: cordovan laser beams dopamine should i buy these $2k speakers?
https://us.kef.com/products/ls50-wireless-2 |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 11:10 AM Author: Seedy forum dingle berry thats an absurd price for a pair of single driver bookshelf speakers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474013) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 11:24 AM Author: cordovan laser beams dopamine what are the cr wireless speakers then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474048) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 11:25 AM Author: Splenetic charismatic kitty station Sonos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474052) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:08 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car Fuck no. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474593) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:58 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band I don't like them for their business practices.
But stuff like their Fives measure really well. And their Trueplay scheme is cr.
I don't like to admit it but I think Sonos is a decent choice for normies. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:59 PM Author: Violet circlehead titocr for non-autists (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475156) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 12:56 PM Author: Seedy forum dingle berry idk. there has to be dozens of options that aren't $2k. theres just no way a pair of single driver, wireless powered speakers could ever be "worth" $2k. fwiw i used to be in audiophile stereo sales and have a high threshold for tolerating high-end gear being "worth it." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474329) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:08 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car Klipsch The Nines (I posted a deal below) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474594) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 11:25 AM Author: Splenetic charismatic kitty station you’re paying for the case not the tech (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474051) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 1:49 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car They're powered so factor that in. No need for an external amp or streamer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474499) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:06 PM Author: Seedy forum dingle berry not a lot of passive wireless speakers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474582) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:08 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car Well, you can turn any passive speakers into wireless speakers you just have to buy the equipment (the amp, usually a separate streamer but these days some amps have that built in). But then you need to match the amp to the speakers, you have added bulk, etc. That's why you don't compare powered speakers to passive speakers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474591) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:16 PM Author: Seedy forum dingle berry i didn't, you did. my response was essentially "no shit, of course they're active" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474620) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:17 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car You're OP said "thats an absurd price for a pair of single driver bookshelf speakers" - most of these are not powered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474624) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:22 PM Author: Seedy forum dingle berry in reference to a pair of wireless powered speakers.
the amp inside of them could not possible account for the cost. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:19 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car KEF speakers are generally premium products with premium pricing for every product range. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474810) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:24 PM Author: Seedy forum dingle berry i am aware. in fact i sold KEF speakers for many years and its one of my favorite brands. these seem absurdly overpriced still, and there are lots of KEF products much more expensive than these i would say are a good value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474828) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:14 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band You're legit dumb if you sold KEFs and don't understand why LS50s are cr, even at their price (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475237) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:52 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band They aren't technically single driver speakers. They are coaxial drivers - a tweeter and woofer nested together.
High frequency drivers & low frequency drivers have overlapping frequencies. With tradition speaker driver layouts, the tweeter is located at a completely separate location from the woofer. Now, even though you're probably a shithead lawyer, you probably also took a physics course at some point in your life. So tell me, what happens when waves of the same frequency, emanating from different points in space, meet with each other? That's right, they interfere with each other. You get peaks and nulls. Now, a competent speaker designer can reduce the impact of these peaks & nulls with how they design the crossover. But you can never *eliminate* this
Coaxial drivers are very credited because you basically eliminate this bullshit because the two separate drivers are essentially emanating from the same place. If coaxials are so great, why don't more manufacturers use them? They are very hard to engineer & produce.
I have passive LS50s and I think they are very, very credited. The imaging is great. The sound doesn't shift as much as you move your head, or move around the room. My prior speakers, I noticed that the sound would change drastically at some frequencies with rather small head movements. It was very annoying & hard to unhear once I heard it.
Now, is $2k absurd for LS50s? That depends. I personally don't like active speakers. Passive speakers will generally last decades. These speakers with amps and wireless stuff built in... that's just more stuff that can break. If an amp module dies and you speaker is a little out of warranty, it's gonna be on you to pony up for a replacement module. And if it dies when the speaker is long out of warranty and the company no longer has any replacement modules, your speakers are now junk.
Personally I'd get passive LS50s. Those are $1200 right now. For amplification, LS50s are actually sort of insensitive speakers and need a little more juice than average. I'd get a Buckeye Hypex NC252MP for $575. For a streamer/preamp, I'd get a Wiim Ultra, those are $263. That's a little over $2k so I totally understand why someone would prefer the active LS50s. Money is the same, fewer boxers & cables to deal with, etc.
As for the concept of subwoofers... you don't necessarily need one with LS50s in a small room, they get surprisingly low. But if you do get a sub, I would say that you *NEED* a high pass filter somewhere in your setup. HPFs are common on AVRs. IDK if the Wiim Ultra has an HPF. And while HPFs do exist on some subwoofers, HPFs are sadly uncommon on cheap and even moderately priced subs. Bottom line is that if you get LS50s and think you might want to add a sub, you should be prepared to pay $1,700 for a Kef KC62.
If you think you are going to cheap out and do LS50s and a sub with no HPF, you should at least get a sub with a bunch of parametric EQ, like those from SVS. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:32 PM Author: Seedy forum dingle berry this type of emotional, comic guyesqe reaction laden with implied and explicit ("you're dumb"!) insults is why i avoid weighing in on stuff like this. why get so bent out of shape over a subjective opinion like value? especially on a luxury good. it's like rsf getting into a screaming match over someone's take on whether an airline's first class is "worth it."
the driver's manufacturing cost even on a high-tech coaxial speaker is low. you're drinking audiophile kool-aid if you think that's what commands the price. here's a listing for a pair of replacements for $265 that says the replacement cost is $400. (https://reverb.com/item/75581143-kef-ls-50-meta-drivers). the cost for KEF is probably 25% of that. the finish on the speaker's cabinet likely costs more than the drivers.
this is a product for rich, non-audiophiles to get a nice-looking speaker that's easy to stream music to. few people who would actually appreciate a $2000 pair of speakers are going to be streaming compressed audio as their source to begin with.
the value for this comes from convenience, not from quality. which is fine, lots of companies do great making easy-to-use products. most people buying this shit aren't audiophiles, but richmos who want something that looks nice and their kids won't have issues streaming spotify to it.
but make no mistake: they are a single (COAXIAL!!!) driver bookshelf speaker with an integrated amp and interface. that's a bad value outside of "set it and forget it" richmos interested in convenience over sound quality.
hth |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 7:33 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band Most of your poast here is nonresponsive gibberish.
Bottom line is that the LS50's greatest sonic strength is the unique driver layout. But you dismissed that driver layout as though it were a weakness.
That makes you a moron. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 8:20 PM Author: Seedy forum dingle berry no, you're either strawmanning or have terrible RC.
i'm not saying the driver layout is a *weakness*. i'm saying $2k a pair of single driver bookshelves is a bad *value*.
also your reverence for coaxial speakers as if it's some new technology is bizarre. they've been a staple in car audio for years. it's primarily about space saving. the idea that the distortion caused by the tweeter and woofer being separate instead of integrated being that material because of PHYSICS is absurd. why do think other high end brands don't use this design? you think B&W can't figure out how to put a tweeter in the middle of a woofer? |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 9:30 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band You said "thats an absurd price for a pair of single driver bookshelf speakers".
The implication of that statement is that it wouldn't be an absurd price if it only had moar drivers. And that's completely false. You add more drivers to an LS50 and it's no longer a point source.
"they've been a staple in car audio for years"
Not the same thing. Those are a tweeter in front of a woofer, not a tweeter concentric with the woofer as in the KEF.
"why do think other high end brands don't use this design?"
Other brands do use coaxials. Elac, TAD, Mofi, some others.
The LS50 is unique because it's just the one driver in a cool looking case at a price that is reasonably affordable ("affordable" being a somewhat relative term).
"because of PHYSICS is absurd"
Bro, I know I've used a few ad hominems ITT. But you have to understand - I generally prefer not to get into internet catfights and say such things. But unfortunately you deserve it :( |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 8:26 PM Author: concupiscible infuriating institution Great autistic catfight guys I learned a lot
I've been loving the pair of old dynaudio contour 1.8 mkiis I copped a couple years ago btw. Paid around $900 for them |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 9:34 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band Very nice, Dynaudio makes good stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475908) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 1:53 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car Get these instead: https://slickdeals.net/f/18886906-klipsch-the-nines-wireless-active-bookshelf-speakers-850-free-s-h?src=SiteSearch
I have them and they're great. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:51 PM Author: 180 up-to-no-good orchestra pit nibblets I like my khorns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475499) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:20 PM Author: out-of-control office codepig No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474635) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 1:53 PM Author: Violet circlehead Being into speakers and sound and shit has to be the gayest hobby out there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474514) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:01 PM Author: cordovan laser beams dopamine its pretty gay, but being into watches is gayer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474564) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:03 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car Whew. How about GAMING LAPTOPS and PERFORMANCE SUVS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474572) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:17 PM Author: Violet circlehead what's a lamer hobby, watch collecting or being an audiophile. justify your response. thank. ChatGPT said:
Watch collecting is the lamer hobby — but only by a hair — and here’s the justification:
Why Watch Collecting Is (Slightly) Lamer 1. Because half the hobby is pretending you’re not compensating for something
Watch enthusiasts love saying:
“I just appreciate craftsmanship.” But then the watch is the size of a hockey puck and costs as much as a used Honda Civic. It’s impossible to deny the flex element. Audiophiles try to hide the insane spending with fake engineering talk — watch people try to hide it with “heritage.”
2. 80% of watch collecting is waiting for an AD to maybe call you
The hobby literally involves:
begging a stranger in a mall
pretending you “just came in to browse”
buying jewelry you don’t want
to one day maybe get the watch you actually want That’s not a hobby — that’s a toxic relationship.
Audiophiles at least can buy the exact piece they want whenever they want. No waitlist, no groveling.
3. Watch people flex in public; audiophiles at least hide in their lair
Audiophiles blow money on:
gold-plated speaker cables
tube amps that look like nuclear cores
weird foam panels But at least they do it privately. Watch collectors seek validation from every human within a 12-foot radius.
4. Most watch collectors end up with 12 watches and wear 1
Audiophiles at least use their equipment.
Why Audiophiles Are Only Moderately Lame
They’re nerdy, maybe delusional, but at least:
they can explain their choices (even if the science is questionable)
they actually sit and enjoy music
they don’t need to impress a sales associate to “earn the privilege” to buy a metal circle
Also, an audiophile can make a $1,500 setup sound incredible. A watch collector with $1,500? He gets a Seiko and starts talking about “upgrading soon.”
Conclusion
Watch collecting is lamer because it’s performative, status-coded, and full of gatekeeping. Audiophiles are nerdy, but at least they’re nerdy for themselves.
If you want, I can rank other hobbies by lameness (golf-dads, model trains, mechanical keyboards, etc.) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 7:39 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band That's a really good response IMO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475615) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 8:28 PM Author: cordovan laser beams dopamine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475733) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 10:39 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band The one thing I'll give credit to watchmos on is that watches hold their value better (or even appreciate). Audio stuff is a guarantee of taking a big haircut. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49476091) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 1:56 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49477631) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:02 PM Author: autistic step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474566) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:03 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car Fuck, I'm that guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474570) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:21 PM Author: Stubborn bipolar national dragon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474819) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:15 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band hdy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475239) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:35 PM Author: high-end candlestick maker Motorhead fans need to crank to the volume without destroying their speakers with the fuzzy bass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475327) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:33 AM Author: translucent blathering range no way, because music is divine and good audio gets you closer to it. sure there are diminishing returns (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49479095) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 2:26 PM Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Diverse Ceo do not buy high-ticket audiophile equipment new (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474655) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:18 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car This is one of the worst things to buy used. So much goes wrong with these things and when they start acting up people try to sell them before they die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474808) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:25 PM Author: Exhilarant ticket booth mental disorder only if you buy made in chyna crap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474832) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:42 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car Even a lot of the high end stuff is, in fact, made in China these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474903) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:57 PM Author: Exhilarant ticket booth mental disorder yeah and I don't buy it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474956) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:38 PM Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Diverse Ceo good audiophile equipment is notoriously robust and is very slow to depreciate outside of pieces that are obviously subject to faster obsolescence like transports or active speakers with more tech inside.
but you don't even have to accept that premise. you can get one or two year old equipment for any level of quality you're looking for at 30-50% off retail price if you buy from the used sites. these aren't cars with thousands of moving parts, speakers and amps that are cared for well are almost as good as new after a year or two of use. but new speakers drop in price as if you were driving the car off the lot. no sense in buying new. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:42 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car Powered speakers are significantly more complex than passive speakers and they don't work as passive speakers if the electronics die (and those die fairly quickly). Yes, those B&O speakers from the 1970s still look and sound great. But the new shit can have 1000 problems that those can't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474901) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:44 PM Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Diverse Ceo if it wasn't clear i am advocating for passive speakers for exactly that reason
i am not suggesting 1970s speakers i am suggesting buying speakers made in 2022 for 40% off msrp from some desperate audiophile boomer bullied into downsizing by his wrinkly shrew wife. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:45 PM Author: galvanic irate stock car Ok fair enough. That's a pretty significant caveat though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474920) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:47 PM Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Diverse Ceo https://www.usaudiomart.com/
enjoy |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 8:05 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band https://www.hifishark.com/
It searches USAudiomart and a bunch of other websites all in one go, and you can set it up to send you alerts |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 8:32 PM Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Diverse Ceo cr. in practice when browsing i end up at us audio mart regardless for the pleasing xo-esque format. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475740) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:34 AM Author: translucent blathering range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49479096) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:01 PM Author: hyperactive selfie famous landscape painting Agree. Have two sets of used Ohm Walsh speakers. Like new and much discounted. Really like them.
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Date: December 1st, 2025 4:20 PM Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Diverse Ceo lol same
secretly i admit they are overhyped by their cult following and half of their famous soundstage is just the sacrifice in imaging due to being omnidirectional. but they are great for some genres. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:01 PM Author: hyperactive selfie famous landscape painting I really like the way they sound. It's hard to determine exactly what it is, but they sound smooth and accurate. I can actually perceive a sound stage, which is something I could only do with my Heresies if I sat in a specific spot. I did add subwoofers. The Ohm is a really simple speaker design. I'm surprised it works so well. Maybe there is magic in the drivers. I had never thought of them until watching Bosch on TV. Then when John died I did a little more digging and thought why not try them out? I was going to order new with the generous return policy, but the waiting period was super long. I found a mint set of used 1000s online and bought them. They sounded so good I went for a set of used 2000s for home theater. May spring for yet a third used pair for the winter place. They do like some power driving them. Listening to Perry Como sing Christmas songs right now, LOL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475164) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:12 PM Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Diverse Ceo they sound full and resonant for symphonic music and especially choral pieces. but if you a/b them against standard speakers of similar quality with e.g. jazz quartet you'll notice that the standard speakers image much more precisely. still great tho.
you must've gone to mit with the founder lol |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:13 PM Author: hyperactive selfie famous landscape painting I was about ready to buy Cornwalls after listening to my friend's, but they are so huge they were a logistical problem. The Ohms have a very room friendly form factor and they don't much seem to care where you put them. Though I haven't been able to do an a/b, I suspect the Cornwalls would be better overall. John Strohbeen and I were at MIT at the same time. He was a management undergrad, so I probably wouldn't have bumped into him except in huge GIR classes. He never graduated, but left to do Tech HiFi. I remember Tech HiFi, but I didn't have the money to buy stereo equipment or records, so I never went there. They had great ads, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475438) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:40 PM Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Diverse Ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475469) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 7:56 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band There were a LOT of speaker companies that sprang up in Boston roughly in OldHLS's era
KLH, Acoustic Research, EPI, Advent, Boston Acoutics, Snell...
I own some EPIs & OldHLS did too at one point |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 8:51 PM Author: hyperactive selfie famous landscape painting True. I fondly remember my EPIs. My son is using them for end tables. At least one is blown from being used with a guitar amp. I should have kept a copy of the city of Palo Alto noise citation from their (literal) garage band days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475779) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 6:14 PM Author: Anal provocative liquid oxygen "desperate audiophile boomer bullied into downsizing by his wrinkly shrew wife."
recall a "man" whining when he was selling me his reel to reel a few years back - "it's got to go, wife want's it gone". He was in his 60s. Also gave me an amp and speakers for free as she wanted them out the house too. very sad
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Date: December 1st, 2025 3:46 PM Author: Seedy forum dingle berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49474922) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:32 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band I generally agree that there is a ton of value in used hifi.
But a certain amount of this gear lust is about chasing perfection. And the closest you can ever get to perfection is in new stuff.
Even if you're not quite chasing perfection, as a gearhead you often develop desires for very specific pieces of gear that basically never come up locally. Shipping speakers is an expensive pain the in ass, and it erodes the value proposition of used gear. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 6:53 PM Author: 180 up-to-no-good orchestra pit nibblets Khorns, Mc2301s, Gotham
I often forget people live in apartments and small houses though. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 8:00 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band It's often been said not to buy too much speaker for a small room. I kind of wonder if that maxim applies if you're using room correction.
Should I get Khorns for my small apartment & find out? |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 9:17 PM Author: 180 up-to-no-good orchestra pit nibblets I would say no. There are a lot of compromises with Khorns if you actually want to corner place them. You need the room for it to work. I guess La scala eliminates that but they are almost equally large. forte or Cornwall would be good for a smaller place, or even heresey. I do like the line because they are so efficient.
I got the khorns because they were a deal (as were the mc2301s and Mc2200) during ITE, I would probably have bought la scalas as that is what I was looking for and to be honest I listen to my Magnepans mostly with my cheap rotel amp a lot more than the khorns.
Or just go all out and get klispch jubilees. Ever year I think I will spend part of my bonus on new speakers (upgrading what I have with the big maggies) but I never do. I don’t think there is an amp I rather have than what I have and I don’t have a lot of use for the other stuff. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 10:28 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band I like the concept of a huge woofer + horn. But I tend to follow the ASR herd wisdom and they prefer the JBL stuff to the Klipsch heritage stuff.
The top end JBL stuff is way out of reach for me. I could maybe get like a used JBL 4367. But those are a weird size, they are designed for the Japanese market where people sit lower in the living space. If you put 4367s on the floor and sit on a Western couch, the tweeter is too low. So a prospective buyer might have to commission some faggy 5" stand.
Or I could be on the lookout for a JBL S4700. Those have a 15" woofer and the horn is already at the right height. But there's just one for sale in the entire country right now. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 10:40 PM Author: 180 up-to-no-good orchestra pit nibblets Never listened to the JBL horns. I like my JBL subs though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49476099) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 10:57 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band I think their high end home market speakers never sold well, at least not compared to Klipsch.
Sad thing is I think JBL might be done making spendy gear lust speakers. They seem slow on coming out with new stuff. They are just a part of Samsung these days and I've read that one key engineer of that stuff was abruptly let go after decades. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 4:22 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band While we are on the topic of Jubliees + 'speakers too big for a room', I got reminded of a poast I saw a while ago:
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fwke4tlu2mnod1.jpg%3Fwidth%3D960%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D9873fc802b92adbf22cf30c834c6614d9db8a4d4 |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 5:53 PM Author: 180 up-to-no-good orchestra pit nibblets 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49478306) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 7:21 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band I also like this Jubilee setup... top of the line speakers in a dated (borderline shabby) looking room
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fjggal7k2cy9b1.jpg
I'm pretty sure I could be good friends with the guy that owns that setup |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 10:01 PM Author: 180 up-to-no-good orchestra pit nibblets You are making me want a pair ….
I’d need another set of amps. MC2301s are maybe $15k used a pair, jubilees I could maybe get grey market new for $35k. Seems more sensible than a six figure watch …. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 10:34 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band Wasn't my intent to tempt you. You've already got a damn good setup, do you really need more?
I've got my eyes on the Mofi V10. On paper it's everything I think I want in a speaker. It's got all the coax goodness that I like about my LS50s, plus it's got large drivers so it'll be more dynamic than my current setup, plus they have such deep bass extension that I wouldn't need a sub. Trouble is they are $8k and I can't justify that rn. |
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Date: December 3rd, 2025 12:12 AM Author: 180 up-to-no-good orchestra pit nibblets It’s only 8k …. I don’t know what’s comparable to them and never heard of them before you mentioned them because my knowledge is out of date. Maybe it’s because I love magnepans, but I have had a separate sub(s) forever so I don’t see a big advantage to a full range speaker (given that they tend to cost a lot more than smaller ones). Can’t say the gothams were worth the excessive cost even used and cheap ITE price over something else (I still have and used a rythmik before I got the gothams). Part of me says to get something more modest looking than what I have so I don’t have to explain what the speakers are (Maggie’s: why do you have room dividers set up like that? Khorns: do you need speakers that large?).
At one point I was going to get some B&W bookshelf type speakers, maybe I still will, I have enough space I could put something modest in my living room and set up a full audio room elsewhere (I have a room that’s like 20’27’? on my second floor I am not using at all.
What bookshelf type speakers would you get? I spent $120 on some cheap polks and $80 on a little Fosi amp and hooked up a JL audio car sub I had for my home office and I was pleasantly surprised. Yes, I know, I am a spendthrift. |
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Date: December 8th, 2025 4:09 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band Mofi is MFSL - one of the record labels out there that caters to audiophiles. Recently they got into doing audio hardware. They hired Andrew Jones to do some speaker designs for them. He has a history of doing some good designs at wildly varying prices. Some dirt cheap stuff at Pioneer & some super expensive stuff at TAD. The Mofi stuff is pretty well received.
I do like subs. What I don't like about subs is sub *integration*. There are a million variables. So that's why I'd prefer a full range tower. There is a limited range of main speaker positions that are "correct". So with towers I would just find that spot, run Dirac, and be done.
As for bookshelf recommendations, if you read my poasts elsewhere ITT, I like coaxial designs. I guess that would mean stuff like KEF and Mofi. I do like the wisdom of the speaker measurement crowd at Audio Science Review but they are very into studio monitors, which tend to look pretty lousy in a living room IMO. |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 7:07 PM Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Diverse Ceo fair. helps to live in or near a T1 city for local market density and ease of transport. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475539) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 5:14 PM Author: trip confused faggot firefighter I really like that style of tweeter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475236) |
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Date: December 1st, 2025 8:38 PM Author: Boyish maize hall Get some shit from the small, direct to consumer vendors on avs forum. I had some small time autist dork make me some amazing custom built bookshelves with some kickass ribbons for less than a grand each. They sound amazing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49475750) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 2:51 PM Author: out-of-control office codepig There can be tons of value in DIY and things similar projects. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49477794) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 4:11 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band I'm way too into audio stuff as it is and I think DIY is for absolute sickos (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49478064) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 5:58 PM Author: crawly pearl theater stage why did OP delete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49478314) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 7:27 PM Author: French chestnut partner elastic band I'm guessing because it turned into a big thread with basically zero people answering his question.
I think OP was asking about Emotiva towers. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2025 8:17 PM Author: concupiscible infuriating institution xo is so fucking back. we never left. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49478624) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2025 1:24 PM Author: trip confused faggot firefighter Several years ago when I was interning at a firm I read a thread on AutoAdmit where the op had asked about whether he should buy this particular fake pussy with a lifelike fuckable butt attached. A lengthy discussion ensued and the consensus was that op had selected the best model on the market, but the op never deleted anything. Nearly 16 months later I was at a party being thrown for a judge who was just sworn in. Lots of members of the legal profession and various important people from the area were there. Everyone was really taking advantage of the open bar. After a while the host, a well-respected state senator, opened a large wooden crate on a display table and pulled out a gift for the new judge. My jaw dropped when I realized what it was. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49480148) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2025 6:05 PM Author: Pale Dashing Theatre Incel 180 post. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49481240) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2025 6:41 PM Author: cordovan laser beams dopamine his name was albert einstein btw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49481336) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 8:32 AM Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Diverse Ceo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49482678) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2025 11:46 PM Author: hyperactive selfie famous landscape painting I demo'd Magnepans and thought they sounded thin and unimpressive, but they have lots of fans. Anybody have them or electrostatics of any kind? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49482387) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 7:46 AM Author: 180 up-to-no-good orchestra pit nibblets I like them, but I have them with subs in a big room and lots of power. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49482660) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 11:20 AM Author: hyperactive selfie famous landscape painting That sounds like the way to do it. I listened in a HiFi shop with no sub. They also were pretty big for my listening room. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49483056) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 6:10 PM Author: 180 up-to-no-good orchestra pit nibblets The LRS plus are smaller and supposed to be better for a small room. I have a set of MMG-W I bought for surround sound (they are wall mount small ones) that I am going to set up as a separate system because why not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49484270) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 12:45 AM Author: Silver stimulating hissy fit Triangle makes great speakers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49482486) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 9:41 AM Author: cordovan laser beams dopamine update: i bought the speakers (and matching stands) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49482796) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 11:46 AM Author: galvanic irate stock car The KEFs?
Are you getting a sub for them? |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 12:14 PM Author: cordovan laser beams dopamine probably not right away as i'll mainly use them for stereo from my turntable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49483264) |
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Date: December 7th, 2025 11:18 PM Author: Silver stimulating hissy fit Get an SVS sub. It will help with your soundstage no matter what music you play. But if you are doing any pop whatsoever or listening to any music produced and engineered in the last 15 years, you want a sub. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49492872) |
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Date: December 4th, 2025 3:46 PM Author: 180 up-to-no-good orchestra pit nibblets Enjoy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5804700&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310906#49483971) |