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here's your slop, now tip me.
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I was at a place that served you food in the take out box.
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did you tip 30%
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you're Wrong. beans cooked at home are Shit.
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I'm a beanius and you won't go back
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more like beantard
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This is what burritos are for
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tortillas are shelf stable for 6 years now imo
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Fast food and other slop chips are expensive now because the...
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Date: August 11th, 2026 12:46 PM
Author: multi-colored shivering black woman rehab

and the staff know it too. if you are brazen enough to order something they'll look at you like "lol fucking idiot" and then toss your slop onto the table

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060794)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 12:50 PM
Author: talented godawful dilemma organic girlfriend

you're just bald, so every waitress marks you as a rube the moment you walk in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060802)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 12:55 PM
Author: multi-colored shivering black woman rehab

you can take your crap and shove it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060812)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 12:51 PM
Author: Trip Bat Shit Crazy Sanctuary

here's your slop, now tip me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060804)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:29 AM
Author: indecent international law enforcement agency



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:39 AM
Author: Flushed odious fat ankles space



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Date: August 11th, 2026 12:58 PM
Author: dead business firm

I was at a place that served you food in the take out box.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060813)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 12:58 PM
Author: Excitant coffee pot party of the first part

did you tip 30%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060814)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 1:03 PM
Author: dead business firm

Included

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Date: August 11th, 2026 1:17 PM
Author: Curious territorial temple striped hyena



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Date: August 11th, 2026 1:02 PM
Author: Beady-eyed bonkers haunted graveyard

How do people eat out?

I have a top 10% income and LOL @ the idea of eating out more than once a month at a place with a waiter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060824)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 1:10 PM
Author: multi-colored shivering black woman rehab

oh wow top 10%, well step right this way Mr. Gatsby

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060846)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 1:14 PM
Author: talented godawful dilemma organic girlfriend

he's a broke af third worlder

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060859)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 5:21 PM
Author: razzmatazz elite athletic conference



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Date: August 11th, 2026 1:16 PM
Author: Beady-eyed bonkers haunted graveyard

(guy who misses the point)

unless the answer is only the top 3% eat out?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060861)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:02 PM
Author: claret friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061418)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:20 PM
Author: cerise hateful pit candlestick maker



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:16 AM
Author: Thriller ultramarine personal credit line



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:19 AM
Author: Flushed odious fat ankles space



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:20 AM
Author: milky crotch round eye



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:30 AM
Author: indecent international law enforcement agency

looool!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50063201)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 1:03 PM
Author: bistre soul-stirring liquid oxygen orchestra pit



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Date: August 11th, 2026 1:12 PM
Author: opaque station

i went to a high end turd resto and got a kashmiri kebab over naan with a beer and it was $16 which is quite high for me but whatever, i only eat like one meal a day, in US this wld be $100

i didnt tip except for leaving a 10 coin which is like $.03 cents

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060851)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 1:17 PM
Author: Curious territorial temple striped hyena

For all the silliness of The Burrito Discourse, it actually is crazy what a massive disconnect there is between eating out in the US and Asia

You can eat out for super cheap in Asia. Meanwhile over here you are paying a comically enormous mark-up for anything. Even fast food is now ridiculously expensive. But people here are still eating out more than ever. It's like they're just resigned to it and think they have no other option

It's super fucking weird. Like the population has been legit brainwashed into this behavior as social conditioning. Something very weird going on with this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060867)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 1:21 PM
Author: Beady-eyed bonkers haunted graveyard

yes. Like to my point above, if all of them are making $400k+ then cool.

But Vast majority of Americans make $50-$150k. How can these people afford to eat out more than once a month? lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060883)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 1:45 PM
Author: deranged appetizing karate goal in life

I make over $400k and we cook 90% of our meals. And even when we go out, it's nothing special. Very few places feel worthwhile at this point.

I think most people just do their 401K contributions and then spend basically every other dollar. Totally brutal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060922)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:01 PM
Author: Beady-eyed bonkers haunted graveyard

jesus

I get uncomfortable when my spending reaches half of my pay (pre tax to be fair). I'm also in a low tax bracket (under 20%)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061416)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:23 PM
Author: deranged appetizing karate goal in life

Honestly if not for women being in the picture, I think most men would be content eating chicken, rice, beans, and eggs and maybe going to a diner once a week. Monthly cost would be like $200.

At least I'd be down for that tbh.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061484)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:33 PM
Author: talented godawful dilemma organic girlfriend

Only those not addicted to the goyslop. If you're not addicted to the goyslop, then grilled chicken + some roasted vegetables is a simple, healthy meal that most dudes would be fine with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061504)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 9:29 AM
Author: deranged appetizing karate goal in life

The crazy part is decent grocery stores now basically sell ingredients with most of the prep work done. I recently bought some pre-cut and seasoned chicken to make tacos at home and it was better than Chipotle for 1/10th the price (and it fed multiple people). It was like $5 and it could've fed me across three meals easily.

That's what's crazy. You don't even really need to know how to cook beyond heating a fucking pan at this point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50063097)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:27 AM
Author: Thriller ultramarine personal credit line

Same. Once or twice a month we go to one of the three of four places we like and trust. Take out maybe twice a month. Everything else at home. Dining out is generally a nightmare for a variety of reasons. If no wife I might never eat a meal outside my home again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50063197)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:55 PM
Author: Comical Bearded Theater Idiot

"But Vast majority of Americans make $50-$150k. How can these people afford to eat out more than once a month? lol"

I deliver a LOT of Doordash to fairly crappy apartments.

People's brains basically short-circuit when it comes to food.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061549)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 6:02 PM
Author: Beady-eyed bonkers haunted graveyard

When I came back to USA and heard so many doordash, I was like cool.

Then I tried to order some McDonalds and it was going to be more than $20 for 1 meal and that's if I offered like a $2 tip which apperently wouldn't get a driver.

I never tried to do that again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061749)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 1:04 AM
Author: Boyish quadroon native

credit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50062725)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 1:29 PM
Author: opaque station

asia though also gone up a lot, the days of eating thai or viet for $1-2 are almost gone, its more like $3-5 now

US still moar rapist though cause it has jews

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50060897)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:03 PM
Author: claret friendly grandma

I eat 3 cans of beans per day (breakfast, lunch, dinner); my monthly food costs, given palletization of my inputs, is just under $80

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061423)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:13 PM
Author: 180 gay wagecucks base

seems like there's substantial efficiency to be gained by cooking your own beans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061449)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:13 PM
Author: claret friendly grandma

thank you for your feedback i am processing this in real time and we will likely make those changes before the next launch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061453)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:39 PM
Author: Heady gaping lodge

He's right though, at those quantities it doesn't make sense to not cook a pound a week freeze some portions and have an ever rotating supply of variety

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061521)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:56 PM
Author: claret friendly grandma

you're Wrong. beans cooked at home are Shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061554)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 5:17 PM
Author: Heady gaping lodge

I'm a beanius and you won't go back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061614)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 5:29 PM
Author: claret friendly grandma

more like beantard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061655)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:16 PM
Author: Curious territorial temple striped hyena

This is what burritos are for

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061461)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:21 PM
Author: claret friendly grandma

tortillas are shelf stable for 6 years now imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061478)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:31 PM
Author: talented godawful dilemma organic girlfriend

Fast food and other slop chips are expensive now because the commercial real estate rents have become insane. Moreover, since the Great Inflation, property values have increased massively, so now the property taxes are outrageous as well.

So for any of these slop shops to make it, they have to charge $16 for a burger and $20.99 for the fries & drink combo meal.

America has an addiction economy now where the main drug of choice is genetically modified goyslop created in labs. The fast food and everything else is meant to be addicting. There's no fundamental difference between the fent junkie on the street and the obese Guatemalan family you see who just got done gorging themselves on some Wendy's. These people have effectively given up on life. They're now just slaves to their passions (i.e. addicts).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061498)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:32 PM
Author: opaque station

u cld have just poasted: JEWS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061500)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 9:36 AM
Author: deranged appetizing karate goal in life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50063106)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 4:44 PM
Author: claret friendly grandma

it's not CRE prices lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061528)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 5:01 PM
Author: adventurous travel guidebook

there is nothing weird about it at all. the food industry realized people are fat lazy fucks and will pay the premium to not cook their own food. covid in particular opened the flood gates because once restaurants/fast food saw how much people were willing to pay for doordash fees they realized they could just raise the base prices by a shitload.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061570)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 5:10 PM
Author: slippery multi-billionaire twinkling uncleanness

yeah man have u seen sweetgreen's margins lately it's basically saas / luxury retail

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061600)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 5:11 PM
Author: Curious territorial temple striped hyena

What you just described in your post is in fact extremely weird

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061601)



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Date: August 11th, 2026 5:29 PM
Author: Comical Bearded Theater Idiot

It does sound weird but it's spot-on. Doordash changed the game. If it wasn't for them, all the quick-service restaurants would still be playing their old games of trying to win business with discounts.

The discounts have gone away because the restaurants have all realized they can make plenty of money by soaking Doordash whales.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061651)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 3:28 AM
Author: Beady-eyed bonkers haunted graveyard

literal whales

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50062815)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:29 AM
Author: Thriller ultramarine personal credit line



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Date: August 12th, 2026 9:16 AM
Author: Big-titted Titillating Field



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Date: August 11th, 2026 5:20 PM
Author: Beta Stag Film Scourge Upon The Earth



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Date: August 11th, 2026 5:45 PM
Author: provocative resort factory reset button

maybe we should eat the bugs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50061709)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 9:38 AM
Author: deranged appetizing karate goal in life

I always found the right wing obsession with "we will not eat bugs" kind of crazy because it's like...yeah, obviously WE won't. But the human detritus that makes up a large and growing portion of the population will. They will eat whatever is foisted upon them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50063108)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 1:13 AM
Author: Deep corn cake

I just walk up to the drive thru

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50062739)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 9:24 AM
Author: aphrodisiac drab marketing idea institution

I took my family out to eat once this summer (for their grandmother's birthday). There were 8 of us at the table. The bill was like $340.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5891961&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310908#50063086)



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Date: August 12th, 2026 9:30 AM
Author: Spruce self-absorbed trump supporter hall

not knowing how to cook, and being in control of most of your meals, is ttt

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Date: August 12th, 2026 10:40 AM
Author: Nighttime address ape

How do people go on first dates to restaurants; its a $350 commitment and no one wants to be responsible for that. Its just too much too soon.



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