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The Economist analysis of Russian summer offensive - link

Regardless of whether and when America decides to supply Ukr...
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I feel like the UA numbers are ridiculously undercounted but...
The Midwit Pundit's Assassination
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The Ukrainian soldiers are in bunkers protected by drone net...
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I agree with all of that; I'm just more skeptical of UA numb...
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Trenches and bunkers are not survivable. Mobility is the onl...
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You've been spouting this bs for years, and, if it were true...
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It’s has run out of men which is why they are putting ...
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Since the fall of Avdeevka the fight is increasingly happeni...
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Can’t a bomb destroy a drone net and then the drone fl...
George Jetson
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Sure, but the russian task is harder. They need to identify ...
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If they sit there they will be killed by mass fires correcte...
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The ongoing effect of Ukrain wrecking Russia's oil and gas i...
We poisoned their asses with poisonous gasses
  10/18/25
6 MILLION Russian troops are DET to Death and 6 BILLION moar...
AZNgirl asking AZNman why he didn't hit 4 homers
  10/18/25
Stay mad turdboi
We poisoned their asses with poisonous gasses
  10/18/25
Russia is so fucking good at getting all its soldiers killed...
A Dick is Not Dispositive
  10/18/25
I asked this question about our Navy - it seems historically...
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LJL at this absolute flame. Ukraine only has 80k dead which ...
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Ukraine has somehow only lost 80k soldiers, but also on thei...
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Im really shocked that a third world shithole country with a...
AZNgirl asking AZNman why he didn't hit 4 homers
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You're misrepresenting the Mediazona report. 219k estimate i...
LathamTouchedMe
  10/18/25
The same methodology can’t be used on the Ukrainian si...
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Believe this to your hearts content. Russia will win this on...
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This has not been a good war for you, son. But stay mad. We ...
Fuck libs, fuck hipsters, fuck hippies
  10/18/25
The art of war: get yourself trapped in a cauldron again and...
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I've seen no one reliable posting this.
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you only post Ukraine propaganda that gets disproven in 24 h...
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Date: October 18th, 2025 8:47 AM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................


Regardless of whether and when America decides to supply Ukraine with the powerful missiles, Mr Putin has deeper reasons to worry. According to an analysis by The Economist, it is paying a huge cost in return for minimal gains on the battlefield.

Russia’s summer offensive is winding down. Many in the West focus on the grinding progress its troops have made, and the shortage of Ukrainian manpower it has exposed. But that is to look down the telescope from the wrong end. More striking is how little territory Russia has taken in its third and largest offensive; and the terrible cost it has paid in men and materiel. Unless something dramatic changes, Vladimir Putin will be unable to win the war on the battlefield. The fact that he nevertheless continues to try regardless suggests that he is out of ideas.

Exactly how poorly Russian forces have fared is impossible to tell. But data from satellites and shifts in areas of control suggest when the fighting is intensifying, and that permits a rough guess. This lines up well with more than 200 credible estimates of casualties from Western governments and independent researchers. Combining these data allows The Economist to estimate Russian losses and track them over time.

Our meta-estimate suggests that, from the beginning of the full-scale invasion to January of this year, Russian casualties amounted to 640,000–877,000 soldiers, of whom 137,000–228,000 have died. By October 13th, those totals had risen by almost 60%, to 984,000–1,438,000 casualties, including 190,000–480,000 dead.

Russia’s losses have not won a commensurate gain in territory. Since the battle lines stabilised after Ukraine’s first counteroffensive ended in October 2022, they have barely moved. No large city has changed hands. At the pace of the past 30 days, seizing what remains of the four regions Mr Putin already claims—Luhansk, Donetsk, Kherson and Zaporizhia—would take until June 2030. (For Russia to occupy all of Ukraine would require a further 103 years.)

Moreover, a sudden collapse in Ukraine’s defensive lines is unlikely given how the two armies are fighting the war. Constant drone surveillance, coupled with long-range precision weaponry, has made massing forces near the front suicidal. Incremental gains remain possible—though only at enormous cost—by sending small groups of men into the “kill zone” to stake out forward positions. It is hard to breach Ukrainian lines. Should a breach happen, the advance of massed forces and equipment needed to exploit it is extremely difficult.

Perhaps that is why this summer’s fighting appears to have been much less deadly for Ukraine than for Russia. There is too little data for us to generate a meta-estimate of the cost to Ukraine. However, UALosses, a website, has catalogued 77,403 deaths among Ukrainian soldiers since the full-scale invasion began (it reckons a further 77,842 are missing in action). By date of death, there has been a marked downward trend since last autumn, with 8,668 fatalities recorded this year. Crucially, that is a lower bound, and although independent investigations have confirmed the fate of soldiers in the list, no one knows how many are missing from that count. Moreover, recent deaths are less likely to be in the database, as recording them takes time (some will never be included). But even if the true number is twice the tally, the figures would imply a ratio this year of roughly five Russian soldiers killed for every Ukrainian.

At such rates, manpower may soon become a more serious constraint for Russia than for Ukraine. When the offensive began, Russians were lured with generous sign-on bonuses, and Mr Putin’s recruitment drive outpaced Ukraine’s by 10,000-15,000 per month. But Russia’s heavy casualties this summer probably nullified that advantage.

https://www.economist.com/interactive/europe/2025/10/17/russia-latest-big-ukraine-offensive-gains-next-to-nothing-again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357428)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 8:55 AM
Author: The Midwit Pundit's Assassination (No Future)

I feel like the UA numbers are ridiculously undercounted but otherwise I agree



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357435)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 9:12 AM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................


The Ukrainian soldiers are in bunkers protected by drone nets and the like. To advance, the Russian soldiers have to expose themselves in the open. Plus, the Russian soldiers need courage to advance against drones. Drone operators can treat the whole thing like a video game.

Bottom line: war has always favored the defender, but that's far more true in the drone age.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357470)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 9:17 AM
Author: The Midwit Pundit's Assassination (No Future)

I agree with all of that; I'm just more skeptical of UA numbers since they've been much cagier with them

Also since most of the OSINT people and intelligence sources looking at this conflict that are talking about it are sympathetic to Ukraine it doesn't feel like there are the same incentives for third party analysts to be digging too deep into UA casualty figures.

I'm not saying the reality is some sort of AREReptile crap, trust me.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357477)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 11:15 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357639)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 11:33 AM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

Trenches and bunkers are not survivable. Mobility is the only chance at survival at all. Both sides use small 2-4 man teams. It’s literally a giant game of tag. The Russians retain a mass fires advantage that is overwhelming. The kill ratio is something like 12:1 in Russia’s favor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357663)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 1:24 PM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................


You've been spouting this bs for years, and, if it were true, Ukraine would have run out of men to fight a long time ago.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357916)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 3:22 PM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

It’s has run out of men which is why they are putting 70 year olds on the line and women.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49358108)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 11:35 AM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

Since the fall of Avdeevka the fight is increasingly happening in tree lines with almost use of fortifications by either side.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357667)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 12:29 PM
Author: George Jetson

Can’t a bomb destroy a drone net and then the drone fly through

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357792)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 1:07 PM
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Sure, but the russian task is harder. They need to identify where these fortifications are and then find a way to breach them. The ukrainians can litter the landscape with mines and drones and wait for russian assault teams to come out in the open and get chewed up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357885)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 3:43 PM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

If they sit there they will be killed by mass fires corrected by drones. Drones make a static defense suicide. Trenches on the line are not manned full time. The gray zone is 50km deep. The only thing even more obsolete than armored thrusts is static defense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49358134)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 9:02 AM
Author: We poisoned their asses with poisonous gasses

The ongoing effect of Ukrain wrecking Russia's oil and gas is going to be interesting. Russia is starting to see real protest on the streets already.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357446)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 9:03 AM
Author: AZNgirl asking AZNman why he didn't hit 4 homers

6 MILLION Russian troops are DET to Death and 6 BILLION moar are injured according to my sources at the Jewish Information Agency

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357450)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 9:04 AM
Author: We poisoned their asses with poisonous gasses

Stay mad turdboi

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357454)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 9:50 AM
Author: A Dick is Not Dispositive

Russia is so fucking good at getting all its soldiers killed, truly the best

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357518)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 10:00 AM
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I asked this question about our Navy - it seems historically that carrier units are sitting ducks once their location is known.

What use are they in the age of cheap drones and smart missiles?

Seems like that's almost even true on land now? Good luck getting past an enemy with long range weapons and drones watching your every move.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357532)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 11:29 AM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

LJL at this absolute flame. Ukraine only has 80k dead which explains why Hahol men are hiding in basements from draft officers and dressing like women to avoid conscription. By conservative measures the Russians have killed 1.7 million Ukrainians and put an equal number into wheel chairs for life. The Russians are ripping 20sq km out of Ukraine daily and have been doing so for 2 years running. The advance is slow but inexorable and they are quite literally genociding Ukraine.

Mediazone/BBC has the most accurate Russian loss estimates — 135-219k dead. That’s 50k per year. Russia can sustain this forever.

https://en.zona.media/article/2025/10/10/casualties_eng-trl



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357659)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 11:39 AM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,...,.,,.,,.....,.,..,.,,...,.,.,,...,.


Ukraine has somehow only lost 80k soldiers, but also on their 20th mobilization, having to kidnap people off the streets, and hundreds of thousands of desertions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357678)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 11:42 AM
Author: AZNgirl asking AZNman why he didn't hit 4 homers

Im really shocked that a third world shithole country with a Jewish POTUS wld have their JEW overlords in the west putting fake causality numbers in the JEW owned western media so that JEW defense contracts cld continue enriching themselves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357685)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 12:49 PM
Author: LathamTouchedMe

You're misrepresenting the Mediazona report. 219k estimate is from probate court reports and 135k is a confirmed number from obituaries, tombstones, and online social media posts from family. The 219k estimate is also only through the end of August. Reports from telegram accounts note there are at least tens of thousands (maybe more) of additional MIA's on each side. And there are probably a lot of indigents and degenerates who died (they recruited from prisons) and don't have family to report the death online or file for probate.

Mediazona makes clear that the 219k is a low estimate that captures maybe 50-75% of the deaths through the end of August. 2x that is absolutely possible.

The same methodology is used on the Ukraine side as well. The Economist is correct to conclude that this is a stalemated conflict.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357853)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 3:21 PM
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The same methodology can’t be used on the Ukrainian side because they made it illegal to print obituaries and there are no functional probate courts in Ukraine so good luck getting any data at all. There is no good data. The Russian 1.7 million figure is basically from sat images of cemeteries. Mediazone numbers are actually BS overstatements for reasons Armchair Warlord has discussed at length on Twitter — Russians print obits and handle probate for guys that fought in Chechnya in 99, never stepped foot in Ukraine, died in 2023 and now magically are in the Mediazone math because their estates qualify for the same veterans benefits as the guy in Ukraine last month. Mediazone is assuming they signed new contracts with the MoD and didn’t just die from old age. This is nonsense math.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49358106)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 3:24 PM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

Believe this to your hearts content. Russia will win this on the field. Ukraine will collapse. Nothing Yankee animals can do will change this. All Hahols will die. Every single last one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49358111)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 3:44 PM
Author: Fuck libs, fuck hipsters, fuck hippies

This has not been a good war for you, son. But stay mad. We want you to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49358135)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 11:49 AM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,...,.,,.,,.....,.,..,.,,...,.,.,,...,.


The art of war: get yourself trapped in a cauldron again and again.

https://x.com/squatsons/status/1979510263553614153

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357700)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: ,.,,.,.,,,,,,.....................


I've seen no one reliable posting this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49357931)



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Date: October 18th, 2025 3:45 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,...,.,,.,,.....,.,..,.,,...,.,.,,...,.


you only post Ukraine propaganda that gets disproven in 24 hours. Go back to reddit, tranny

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787431&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49358136)