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Why do proles at the blackjack table get so angry when you don't play right?
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Date: March 8th, 2021 8:37 AM Author: brass internet-worthy piazza coldplay fan Like it could hurt or benefit you. Chill out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42066820) |
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Date: June 30th, 2021 2:43 AM Author: vermilion cocky kitchen I always split tens just to see the proles at the table seethe. It's worth it in the long run. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42709363) |
Date: March 8th, 2021 9:06 AM Author: 180 water buffalo you fuck up everyone’s next card when you dont play right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42066943) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:08 AM Author: multi-colored wine site That is the prole mentality (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42066951) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:21 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef it's more like retard mentality (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42066988) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:19 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef Define "fuck up" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42066983) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:24 AM Author: boyish cuck reading party what boomers and others realize is there's no technical "correct" way to play blackjack because even playing by the book means you're still going to lose to the house. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067000) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:32 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef What they don't realize is that a random card is a random card.
Someone playing incorrectly is just as likely to help you as hurt you. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:42 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Next time it happens just say "I know you aren't counting cards, man, what difference does it make." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067073) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:44 AM Author: Doobsian Pungent Regret Affirmative Action what effect would this have on someone who is, in fact, counting cards (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067079) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:45 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard You aren't counting cards, bub. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067085) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:51 AM Author: Doobsian Pungent Regret Affirmative Action It seems you aren't either, because FYI deviating from basic strategy has no impact on the strategy or fortunes of other people at the table who are counting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067116) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:55 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Not really. Think about it. If you are counting then you will have a better sense of when to hit and when to pass.
But I don't count--I'm not that smart or observant. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:57 AM Author: Doobsian Pungent Regret Affirmative Action Whether or not someone else at the table makes a "wrong" hit/stand has no impact on whether someone keeping a count hits/stands on their own turn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067132) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:59 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard I don't want to get into it w you but it does if you are counting and are expecting a certain card as a high probability or wish to avoid a certain card which is out there and coming up with a high probability and then the player ahead of you "incorrectly" hits and draws the card you wanted or alternatively hoped to avoid. But in reality most proles aren't really counting anyway, so it doesn't matter. Also, you shouldn't be "counting" under casino rules anyway, per se. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:08 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef LJL at you just restating the fallacy a different way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067162) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:13 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067183) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:14 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Where is the error in my thinking? Articulate it for me specifically, in a nonconclusory fashion which explains how I've got it wrong (I haven't).
You may argue that it's practically impossible to count cards like that, but I actually agree w you. That's why I said what I said.
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:15 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground that's not the argument, numbnuts. you might just have to accept that you don't grasp basic probability (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067192) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:17 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067197) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:18 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard So you can't explain yourself. I see. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067200) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:20 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef It's actually pretty difficult to explain because it's such an obvious concept for anyone with a good understanding of probabilities and statistics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067209) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:21 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard See below. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067212) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:17 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address sp is legit stupid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067195) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:18 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Sure. And you are a "lawyer," right? |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:22 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address yes. although only shitlaw wagecucks like you would think that is any sort of accomplishment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067215) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:24 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Lol, thanks, "counselor" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067230) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:27 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address (near 20 year law school graduate who can't make partner at pi mill) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067244) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:29 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Dude, I know you aren't a lawyer. Not that there's anything wrong w that. Just stop LARPing as one. And I'm sorry your lack of being a lawyer has become evident to me over time, don't take it as an insult, take it as a compliment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067254) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:31 AM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler lol cr. most of this bort are lawyers and orders of magnitude more intelligent and accomplished than spaceporn, which is why spaceporn is the only one proud of being a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067262) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:38 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067295) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:51 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard I'm at peace w myself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067369) |
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Date: April 1st, 2021 1:48 PM Author: Sticky Hall Party Of The First Part (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42203124) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 8:43 PM Author: maize electric gaming laptop shrine No, this is not correct at all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42071161) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:06 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067151) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:07 AM Author: Doobsian Pungent Regret Affirmative Action we are in agreement (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067153) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:08 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef If you think it makes a difference for people because they are counting cards then your IQ is very low (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067159) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:12 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard See above.
But no one is counting cards like that so as a practical thing it doesn't matter.
But yes, technically, if a person were counting cards, it might make a difference to the person that you didn't follow usual protocol because your action changes the likelihood of drawing another card in a way different from had you simply stood.
But as I said, in reality no one is doing that. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:13 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef Your above "explanation" is wrong and you not understanding that you are just explaining the fallacy a different way makes you retarded.
It doesn't change the probabilities at all ex ante. Your random card has already been assigned in both scenarios and for both scenarios the random card is random |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:14 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Okay, well you are just saying I'm wrong. Explain it to me then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067186) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:17 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef Just added (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067194) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:21 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Of course! I agree with you!! Which I why I said it woudn't make any difference at all unless you are counting! You understand right, "unless you are counting." That bit pushes the cliche "That it doesnt make any difference" which we all know about and isn't noteworthy at all out to a point where it does make a difference, and becomes interesting, which is why I said it.
Sometimes I'm either too smart or too stupid for this board, but in either event I lack the wisdom to avoid engagement. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:23 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef omg dude. I just explained why it doesn't make a difference even when you are counting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067225) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:25 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard I've responded below.
If you are counting it makes a difference because you then have to reappraise the likelihood that you will or will not get certain cards. That's all I'm saying. It's basic probability dude. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:29 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground Does it give you pause that like 5 different people are telling you you're wrong here? Even if you don't understand the math (you don't), this should give you a clue that you're out of your depth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067250) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:30 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Probability is what it is. It isn't my fault that no one else actually foolish enough to be poasting on this subject agrees w me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067258) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:48 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground Not sure how many more ways this can be explained to you so all I'll say is you're the kind of guy I would want at my poker table (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067347) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:56 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard it hasnt been explained at all. TBF, I think we are talking at cross purposes about the same thing ultimately. I'm surprised no one has realized that.
I am saying it doesn't make a difference.
The only way it would make a difference at all in any aspect of the game would be if the other player was running a complicated assessment of the relative probabilities of drawing each card. He would have to amend his calculations if you hit and took a card out of the realm of probability. that amending of probabilities could either be more or less favorable to him than it was previously. This adjustment of probabilities may or may not affect his decision to hit or stand.
BUT, as a practical matter, no one is that smart and it's silly for proles to get mad because no one is actually running that assessment in their head. And if they are, they shouldn't be! |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:14 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground lol spaceporn sometimes you just bring it on yourself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067187) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:17 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Great! Looking for an explanation as to how I'm wrong.
Understand all I'm saying is that you deviating from the usual course of play modifies the probability that the player next to you will or won't get a more or less desirable card.
And if they were actually counting--which they aren't--this modification on the respective probabilities of drawing certain cards would cause them to reappraise their next move in light of your deviation and draw.
It's basic probability, folks. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:19 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef No, no it's not. I explained above. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067204) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:20 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground sure. now understand that a prole fucking up and hitting on 18 or whatever could be either beneficial or harmful to the card counter (or even neutral!), in a normally distributed fashion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067208) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:23 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Oh dear.
We seem to be missing each other.
Regardless of what card comes up on the prole's fuck up, the probability that the next player will or will not draw a certain card has been modified ASSUMING THE PLAYER IS COUNTING CARDS.
But no one is. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:24 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef You need to stop conflating "modified" with "hurting" or "helping".
That's where you are getting lost. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:28 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard I don't think so. Because if you are modifying your assessment of probabilities for drawing individual cards as a result of the player next to you not following the rules, then you are "helped" OR "hurt" in a global sense depending on whether the new set of probabilities is more favorable or not. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067247) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:32 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef lol tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067267) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:29 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address cr
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:22 AM Author: Bistre big property rigor Spaceporn when people count cards the objective is to identify when the deck is “hot” ie has more face cards so they (or a partner) can up the bet. Counting doesn’t grant some clairvoyant or probabilistic knowledge about the *sequence* of cards that are yet to come. A hot deck is still hot regardless of whether every player in front of you plays optimally or fucks around.
Yes, a player in front of you playing non-optimally *alters* the next card you were going to get, but the card is still random. The other player hitting/standing like a dumb prole is just as likely to help you, hurt you, or have no effect on your ultimate result.
Random is random. A skilled card counter knows when the deck composition is leaning in their favor and thus bets more, but the sequence of cards laid out from the moment they determine the deck is “hot” is still a random sequence. Other players moving the button by 1-2 cards will flip would be wins to losses and vice versa, but no more (or less) so than when they do the same on a cold deck or one that’s just been reshuffled and still has ALL of the cards in the shoe.
You are wrong |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:31 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard I'm not really saying anything contrary to this assessment though. That's what's so funny.
All I'm saying is, to use your term, if a naive player makes a wrong play that shifts the flavor of the deck from favorable to nonfavorable for the next guy, and the next guy is aware of that, that's why he would get mad at the player next to him. And he might make decisions on how to play a currently unfavorable deck and those decisions would be different than how he would have played before. And be irritated he has to change his appraisal to one less favorable to him now that the composition of the cards remaining has been changed.
Honestly, I'm not wrong. Either I'm not explaining it well enough or someone here is being aspie or there are a couple people who don't understand probability or who constitutionally can't think beyond the cliche or what.
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:37 AM Author: Doobsian Pungent Regret Affirmative Action Being annoyed at someone pulling a face card because it makes the deck less favorable is totally irrational. It could just as easily have made the deck more favorable. And regardless, nobody else at the table has an obligation to make the deck more favorable for you.
Anybody worth a damn at counting cards wouldn't fall prey to such emotional thinking |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:32 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address this is been explained very clearly itt and can also be learned with 5 minutes of google search and an iq above room temp. the fact sp is still arguing about this really outs him as a deeply stupid person. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067646) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:33 AM Author: Soggy lodge If we are talking about annoying other players - if the other player is a card counter:
1) when player before plays incorrectly, the card counter may have to reassess his decision based on the additional cards pulled - could be annoying.
2) while the decision to play badly does or not does not have any impact on whether it will help or hurt the card counter, after the player plays badly, additional cards will have been removed from the stack which can either make it more likely or less likely that the counters previous determination (that the deck is hot or not) is still likely to be the case, and that can be annoying? |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:33 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard This is exactly what I'm getting at.
Thought I was losing my mind w the responses here. I think they get argumentative just because they think "SP is dumb there's no way he's right" |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:45 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground The point is this:
If Player A (prole) plays irrationally, it can change the makeup of the deck such that Player B (card counter) will have to alter his strategy. But the prole's irrational play is equally likely to swing the deck from cold to hot as hot to cold (or from hot to hotter or from cold to colder).
Whether Player A plays optimally or not has no bearing on Player B's expected return, because it all comes out in the wash. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:48 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard No, see you've backed up a little bit because you didnt want to concede you got it wrong in the beginning. But that's okay--it happens.
But your second paragraph "Whether Player A plays optimally or not has no bearing on Player B's expected return, because it all comes out in the wash." makes no sense in light of the first paragraph, because you are still trying to hang on to your original position. First paragraph directly contradicts second. Can you see how?
We are only talking about instances where other players get mad because you made an irrational play. They would get mad not when favorability increases, right? They would get mad when it decreases for them based on your bad play. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:49 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground holy shit you're dumb. just stop. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067813) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:51 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard this is why we cant have nice things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067828) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:52 AM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler he is so fucking dumb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067839) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:52 AM Author: Soggy lodge I agree with them. You aren't annoyed at player A's decision to play poorly regardless of the results of what he draws, you are annoyed at the results of chance (which you shouldn't be as a rational card counter) - same as if you get a shitty card yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067834) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:58 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Their position has changed though, from saying it makes no difference whatsoever to the cards the counter thereafter draws, to saying now that I've explained it a dozen times that it does make a difference but it would be irrational to be angry with the bad player because well, that's the part of the assessment of favorabiltiy or unfavorabiltiy.
They are at least now conceding that the decisions of a bad actor change the favorabilty/unfavorability rating for the player who is counting cards thereafter. It took forever to get to this point at least.
Whether the counter is mad at the poor player for playing irrationally and tilting the balance unfavorable (in such a situation) or is simply mad that the balance has now tilted unfavorable isnt really material to the original discussion and frankly is a lot less interesting.
At leats now we can all agree that YES, the player who plays irrationally Changes The Assessment for a Card Counter. Which was my original point. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:11 PM Author: Doobsian Pungent Regret Affirmative Action You are right, but it's not really addressing what's going on in the thread which is why everyone doesnt get what you're talking about. It's not a reason for the card counter to get upset which is what the thread is about (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067986) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:17 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Well, you can say the player shouldnt get mad because 1) it makes no difference to the probability assessments for a card counter, or 2) it's irrational for the counter to get mad because it's just a game jeez.
Up until this moment, the general consensus was that 1 applied. I dont care whether 2 applies or not. my concern was that no one seemed to understand that number 1 above isnt really mathematically correct. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:17 PM Author: Soggy lodge that's no different than a non card counter getting angry that the bad player stole the 8 he needed and he ended up busting out on a 10. He is annoyed that chance did not give him what he wanted, but there is no rational reason to be mad at the bad player, which is the whole point of this thread - the card counting is irrelevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068043) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:20 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Here's what i poasted above:
Well, you can say the player shouldnt get mad because 1) it makes no difference to the probability assessments for a card counter, or 2) it's irrational for the counter to get mad because it's just a game jeez. Up until this moment, the general consensus was that 1 applied. I dont care whether 2 applies or not. my concern was that no one seemed to understand that number 1 above isnt really mathematically correct.
As for card counting--no "what i originally said was that if someone gets mad because i make an irrational play I say to them so what you arent counting cards anyway" thats what prompted the initial bevy of innumerate responses which I've been responding to. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:22 PM Author: Soggy lodge the point is that the only reason you would have to be mad as a card counter, is the same irrational "mad at bad luck" nonsense that would make any idiot mad that their card got "stolen" by the person before them. They are mad at the results of chance, which card counters should never be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068093) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:25 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard I guess. but that's a far cry from where we were at the beginning of this discussion. I think a few folks have egg on their face and are changing the game some. Which is fine--it happens.
FWIW i think the car pulling in front of one comparison is apt. Why did this dumbass irrationally pull in front of me--now i have to tap my brakes.
That guy shouldnt get mad either. It's just the nature of driving that some people will pull in like fools. Right?
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Date: March 8th, 2021 2:58 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler LOL how did I miss this gem before. No spaceporn, you complete retard, the brake tapping analogy is NOT apt and it completely illustrates what you don't understand.
If a retard pulls in traffic he SHOULD know it's going to fuck your shit up and it definitely will fuck your shit up.
For it to be analogous, the retard's decision to pull into traffic would NOT affect the probability you'll have to slam on the brakes at all at the time he makes the decision. the probability of you "losing" (or having to slam on the brakes) is not affected by the retard's decision. it is fully out of the retard's hands. you would have been as likely to need to slam on the brakes if he's just stayed in his lane. i repeat, the act of him staying in his lane would have fucked you with equal probability as pulling into yours. is this making sense to you now? |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:54 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard lol are you really an atty? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070185) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 6:05 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler are you really a 20th year shitlaw associate with rock bottom grades? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070243) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 6:07 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Answer my question.
True or false--> you are a lawyer. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 6:09 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler answer my question:
true or false: are you shitlawyer who can't make partner after 20 years? |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 6:12 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard (Not a lawyer. Thanks to Dunning-Krueger effect he doesn't know that fact is made apparent to higher IQ mos by how dumb he poasts on the board.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070277) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 6:16 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler ljl your pride in being a lawyer is sort of cute.
"You know what they say, guys: 'What do they call the guy who graduated dead last from UVA, struck out at OCI and is a 20th year shitlaw associate?' A LAWYER, guys! I'm still a lawyer and nobody can take that away from me!" |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 7:31 PM Author: chartreuse vibrant generalized bond tbf, taking pride in your profession is a good thing and i assume sp is good lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070730) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:38 AM Author: Bistre big property rigor Wut?
A counter has to continue tracking low and high cards no matter what. That’s just called maintaining the “count.”
Whether the players in front draw more cards or fewer cards than they should, the counter must keep the count for EVERY card drawn. Thus, there is obviously no impact on strategy but also no “annoyance” — every card that some other player’s play makes them track was a card they were going to have to track anyway. That is the bedrock essence of what maintaining a count is.
People are so bad at probability holy fucking crap |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:40 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address most people itt are right. only a couple tards (just sp?) can't seem to grasp it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067728) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:47 AM Author: Bistre big property rigor Oh sure. I just mean people in general are bad at probability, which leads to innumerate thinking of the kind which is on display at various points ITT.
Still, MOST people ITT do get it. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:50 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067819) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:49 AM Author: Soggy lodge this is not probability - it's simply a question of whether it is rational or likely for someone to be annoyed at having to maintain the count for 1-2 additional cards than he expected to before it's his turn to play.
If what you are saying is that it is irrational to get upset at the probability changing against your favor after a bad play, because the decision to do so made no difference before the fact - I agree with you. You aren't annoyed at what the person did, you are annoyed at the results of chance, just as if you did not pull a card you preferred yourself. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:50 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground I think we're expecting any reasonable card counter to be able to maintain a basic count for an additional card or two (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067826) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:52 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Well, you would be annoyed that the other player played "erratically" which makes it more difficult for you to assess the subsequent "probability field" or whatever. More particularly, you would be annoyed that his failure to play rationally, as a rational actor would expect, now puts you in a less favorable position overall. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067842) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:54 AM Author: Soggy lodge The first annoyance is small because it is a trivial amount of extra effort
the second annoyance is irrational, because you are mad at the result not the decision. And the result is based on chance. Same as the non counter idiot getting mad that his card was stolen effectively. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:03 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Sure. Don't disagree w any of that. But its fair for a card counter to be mad someone else didnt play with that other person's best interests in mind if it messes up the favorabilty alignment for the counter. May be silly but no more silly than getting mad at another driver who pulls out like a dumbass and forces you to apply your brakes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067929) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:19 PM Author: Soggy lodge it's not fair for them to be mad, because card counters don't get mad at chance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068071) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:55 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground -It doesn't make it harder to assess the "probability field." You're just keeping track of one more card (or one fewer if he stands on 8 or whatever)
-His irrational play may have put you in a less favorable position, but it's equally likely to have put you in a more favorable position |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:55 AM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler It does not put you in a less favorable position overall. People have explained this to you like 20 ways ITT. You are objectively, mathematically wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067873) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:00 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Yeah, you don't get it. You are missing the point. It's a matter of probabiltiy.
The irrational play of another player affects the favorability/disfavorability quotient for subsequent players who are engaged in counting cards. When the remaining cards are now less favorable globally because the niave player hit when he should stand, yes, the card counter is going to get irritated, and yes it affects his probabilities for his own play. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:02 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler "When the remaining cards are now less favorable globally because the niave player hit when he should stand"
except that they could just as easily be MORE favorable. holy fucking god you're so fucking dumb. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:06 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Of course, I ahve never said otherwise. But when the favorabiltiy is now LESS, that's when the counter gets annoyed. Not when the favorabiltiy is MORE. We have been talking about when the counter is MAD, not when he isn't.
It's clear to me you are now backtracking a little bit. I'm not expecting an apology but you can at least stop w the "spaceporn is stupid" schtick ITT. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:09 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler Carefully explain to me exactly what I'm backtracking from you fucking retard.
The fact that the favorability is now LESS and not MORE is equally probable so being MAD about the result is irrational because the player playing badly had no effect on you. You would be as rational to be upset about the way the cards were ordered after shuffling. Are you seriously not understanding this?? |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:13 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard You previously said the following:
"It does not put you in a less favorable position overall. People have explained this to you like 20 ways ITT. You are objectively, mathematically wrong."
You now say it could be less favorable or it could be more favorable. (But if its more favorable the counter isnt going to get mad)
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:18 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler You are so fucking dumb. If somebody making decision X has an equal probability of putting you in a more or less favorable decision then it is irrational to be mad that they made decision X. That's the whole point of this thread. You won't find out whether it helped or hurt you until you see the result, and either is equally likely. It makes no sense to be mad then. I repeated YOU WOULD IN NO WAY BE HELPED BY THEM PLAYING PROPERLY, WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE BE ARGUING. God you're fucking dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068062) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:23 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Hmm. I think you just got pwned.
Happens to the best of us.
I think you initially conflated the idea that 10 heads in a row has no effect on the likelihood of flipping a head the 11th time around w the current situation. So you went w the cliche, misapplied it, and you and a few others argued it pretty hard.
But I'm not going to spend more time talking to an innumerate guy who just called me stupid a half dozen times. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:24 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler lol you are so stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068114) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:06 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address you're talking about some hypothetical card counter, yet you can easily google videos of professional card counters explaining that it does not matter for the reasons people itt are explaining to you.
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/cjmme/iama_card_counter_and_serious_casino_advantage/c0t1vpn/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJy1AJETKvE&ab_channel=BlackjackApprenticeship
does the unanimous agreement of the experts matter to you at all? or are you still convinced that you're right? |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:10 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler he is so fucking stupid. it's hopeless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067981) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:15 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Well, im not the guy--YOU-- who initially couldnt understand that the player before making an irrational decision affects the counter's subsequent probability assessment. Lot's of folks had trouble w that, including yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068029) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:21 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler But them making the decision rationally ALSO causes you to change your probability assessment. You have to redo you probabilities after each hand as a card counter regardless because new information comes in every hand NO MATTER HOW THE OTHER PLAYERS PLAY. jesus FUCK you are dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068084) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:29 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard We have been talking all day about hitting when you should stand--someone "taking" the next guy's card. no new card is removed from the field of play if the move was a rational one. irrational, now there is more information. Why dont you get this. I see from the timing of your poast it looks like you are trying to come up w new justifications to explain away your pwn. okay, whatever. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:32 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address why did you ignore my poast re: the unanimous agreement amongst professional card counters that other people's play has no impact on them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068183) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:33 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler i have no idea what any of this means but you've humiliated yourself enough for one day bro. good luck with your shitlaw career. you're totally right about this! we're all just too smart to see it! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068189) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 8:44 PM Author: maize electric gaming laptop shrine Do you even know how counting cards works. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42071165) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:19 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address all card counting does is help predict the probability of winning, allowing the card counter to increase his bets when the deck is favorable or perhaps hit/stand differently then normal. another player playing suboptimally would not matter at all to the counter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067206) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:00 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard "another player playing suboptimally would not matter at all to the counter."
It does IF the irrational removal of a card in play by the player in immediately in front of the counter forces a change in strategy by the counter based on him having to change his assessment of current probabilities because he was expecting the player next to him to play rationally and he didnt. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:27 AM Author: Bistre big property rigor No. There isn’t some complex decision tree “strategy” in card counting that they must “reasses” and refine based on the precise sequence of cards just before. There is only ONE strategy: bet more on a hot deck. The sequence of cards you land is still totally random whether a deck is hot or cold. And the person in front of you taking one or two face cards out of the sequence by playing suboptimally is meaningless because a deck doesn’t go from hot to cold based on 1 or 2 cards.
Yes the play in front of you may alter the ultimate outcome from win to loss, but it can also alter it from loss to win or it may not have an effect on your result. The counters strategy does not change at all based on the play of others. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:33 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Well, now you are just talking about how "counting" cards usually goes.
But even if you are correct that there's no way to get as specific with the probabiltiy assignments as I make out to the point where it would make a difference, you do seem to concede my point--that the play of the player next to a card counter can change the lay of the land GLOBALLY in such a way that the counter has new information that must be added to his assessment of the favorability of the remaining cards. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:34 AM Author: Bistre big property rigor No (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067672) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:34 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067680) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:39 PM Author: pontificating home karate This is so fucking dumb I can’t even begin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42071832) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:50 AM Author: medicated personal credit line mad-dog skullcap Not on single deck. Proles play on ttt continuous shuffles. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067110) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 2:28 PM Author: maize electric gaming laptop shrine LOLOLOLOL.
JFC.
Post hoc, ergo propter hoc. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:08 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address as if degenerate gamblers have any reasoning skills. if you're dumb enough to play blackjack seriously (aside from card counters) then you're going to be dumb enough to believe how other people playing matters to you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42066950) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:17 AM Author: Geriatric Step-uncle's House Liquid Oxygen I getda good cards when everybody play right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42066970) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:20 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef Most people (even otherwise intelligent people) have a very poor misunderstanding of probabilities and statistics.
And by "most" I mean like 99.5% of the population. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:20 AM Author: boyish cuck reading party In one of my first times in a casino, I was playing blackjack and the dealer had one of those hands where everyone was supposed to hold no matter what (I think it was like 15 or something), but I didn't know the rules and hit on 12. Everyone started flipping out, which intensified when I got a face card 😂 and REALLY intensified when the dealer then got a 6 instead of my face card and made 21 (😂 x 1000). One of the guys got so mad that I started goading him into trying to fight me (I said something like "oh no, did you just lose your bus fare home, faggot?"), so he kicked his chair over and started screaming, which led to him being forcibly ejected from the shithole Atlantic City casino we were in. My crowning achievement came slightly after, when the humorless asian started dealing again and the boomers were still bitching at me. I said "sorry guys, I'm new at this, cut a 19 year old some slack", then did a 180 and walked away when they carded me (I actually was only 19). That bus fare line is gold, by the way, I used it on another slob wop whose money I took at a poker table with similar results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42066987) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:25 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address used to spend a lot of time in AC in my early 20s and this is 100% believable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067005) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:36 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067042) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:38 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067049) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:53 AM Author: Irradiated National Security Agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067124) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:12 AM Author: Mildly autistic university sandwich lol I had a similar situation. I had been playing yahoo blackjack or whatever for free just for fun, and standard was to split a pair if the dealer had a 4 5 or 6 showing. Dealer had one of those and I had two queens so I split them. Everyone at the table flipped out and the dealer was a woman who was really nice and clearly felt bad for me. I wound up w a push and a loss I think lol and the dealer would've lost if I hadn't done it. Could have just as easily worked out to everyone's benefit but of course they don't see it that way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067173) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:20 AM Author: Haunting Misanthropic Skinny Woman Nursing Home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067210) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:28 AM Author: Bistre big property rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067597) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:32 AM Author: Navy haunted graveyard travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067647) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 1:08 PM Author: Nighttime twinkling kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068518) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:31 AM Author: Jet church It’s cr to play blackjack on feel, like follow your gut instinct. If that means splitting 6s or hitting on 15 when dealer shows 6, then so be it. Fuck the haters at the table. This always works out for me; proles and card counters HATE it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067030) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:34 AM Author: Sexy hairraiser temple splitting just about everything all the time, because fuck libs, is a fun way to play (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067036) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:41 AM Author: boyish cuck reading party splitting 10s is 180000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067065) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:12 AM Author: Mildly autistic university sandwich lol glad to hear this. See my story above about splitting queens. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067179) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:23 AM Author: boyish cuck reading party I'm trying to think of a move in a casino that pisses off more people at a table than splitting 10s or Queens at a blackjack table and I can't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067220) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:31 AM Author: Mildly autistic university sandwich https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkzMA1jrm00 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067627) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 3:23 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address no soup for you! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42069354) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:45 AM Author: Jet church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067086) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:36 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard I also hate it when people get pissed just because I'm playing how I want to play. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067043) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:48 AM Author: Orchid Corner Boiling Water Sounds awful. Why not just run a blackjack simulation on the computer where everyone plays "right"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067093) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:52 AM Author: unholy box office Made me think of this too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067117) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:49 AM Author: chestnut startling place of business theatre lol i have a group of prole friends who played blackjack every weekend for a few months as a passing fad a while back. they would always get really mad whenever someone played incorrectly because it "meant" that they were "getting the wrong cards"
i tried like 5 or 6 times to explain to them that the cards that come up are independent of the actions of any other players. they could never understand. towards the end i got through to one of the guys and i'm pretty sure he did understand it. but then he would say "i don't care if it doesn't affect the cards anyway, it just throws me off my game"
these guys all have white collar jobs making 100k+ btw |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:52 AM Author: unholy box office That's insane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067120) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:57 AM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard I used to go to Vegas at an old job, and when I'd play "wrong" a colleague would tell me I just stole another guy's card. And being aspie I would say, "How did I steal his card? He didn't know what he was getting and it's basically random." And my colleague said, "Yeah, it's just not how you play." and that was that, w me bewildered as to the relevancy and why I HAD to play a certain way. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067133) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:59 AM Author: Thriller institution the best response to the prole "stole my card" line IME is "there are 416/312 cards in the shoe" or "it's a continuous shuffle machine". they are usually baffled but can't figure out why. doesn't work as well for single/double deck games but fewer dumb proles play those anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067423) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:57 AM Author: ultramarine station hominid OP is right. Bad players do not affect you at all.
Here is a long form explanation from a professional card counter:
https://youtu.be/hJy1AJETKvE |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:30 AM Author: Bistre big property rigor Well I’m sure spaceporn will blow this guy up in no time explaining that he’s wrong IF YOU ARE COUNTING CARDS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067615) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:48 AM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler Spaceporn is remarkably stupid. I can't believe how many times he doubled down on his own stupidity ITT. He's in here utterly convinced of his intellectual superiority and he is literally, provably dead wrong. This is exactly why I could never do shitlaw. Imagine you had to spend your days working with people like this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067802) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:51 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067831) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 3:20 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard You can say what you want but an irrational hit when the person behind you should have stood either tips the balance of the cards for you or against you. It's just basic math--I'm not making that up. The literal pool of available options has been reduced by one. That's just math. And if you are counting, you will see that, and you will likely be unhappy w the player who played irrationally if your own probability of success is reduced thereby--and yes that means BEFORE you play your hand. It's as simple as that. I can't make it any simpler. The pool of available cards has dropped, when if the niave player had played in a predictable fashion, the same set would have come to the counter for play. You can tell me it doesn't matter that much or it's silly to get mad at the naive player for doing that thing and that's fine, but it doesn't address the OP I made, which is:
Next time it happens just say "I know you aren't counting cards, man, what difference does it make."
You can call me names or whatever but it's just basic math. You can tell me the counter should just chill out and not be mad, sure, but was that my OP?
As for being "pedantic," I don't think Earl knows what the word means, frankly. Nor do I think the poasters swarming around Earl on this actually understand basic probability, or they didn't when I first explained it to them a handful of times. Some of them apparently don't understand this even now.
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:17 PM Author: Soggy lodge it's not about what happens before you play YOUR hand, its about how you perceive the naive players decision to hit before he plays HIS hand.
Before he plays his hand, his decision to play or not play does not make it more or less likely for you to win.
If you are unhappy with his decision after he plays it and the card he pulls makes your situation shittier, that is an irrational unhappiness with the decision. It is simply unhappiness with the result of a game of chance, same as if you were hoping for a face card and got stuck with a 4, irrespective oh what anyone does before you. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:41 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard ? It's effectively an annoying risk-taking decision until you see what he drew. Then if it hurts you, you aren't happy w his decision to deviate from the norm. But again, I don't see how this has anything to do w the basic point. I mean, "shame on him for getting mad"--ugh, okay? Are you the thought police on when it's acceptable to get mad? Who cares! The point is that playing irrationally and hitting when you should stand does negatively impact other players if the card you draw negatively changes the favorable/not favorable on balance content of the remaining cards to be drawn. I dont see why you keep harping on the reasonableness of a person getting angry about that or not. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:49 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler "The point is that playing irrationally and hitting when you should stand does negatively impact other players if the card you draw negatively changes the favorable/not favorable on balance content of the remaining cards to be drawn"
In exactly the same way that playing rationally and standing when you should stand DOES negatively impact other players if the card you draw negatively changes the favorable/not favorable on balance content of the remaining cards to be drawn. Should you be mad at the person for playing rationally here because the effect ended up badly? Do you see how this crushes your entire "point" you moron?
You are an incredible retard. This cannot be overemphasized. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:49 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address walk away dude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070157) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:51 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler lol cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070162) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:50 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard You just cant get it right, can you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070161) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:51 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler lol you are so dumb but ty for the entertainment. i will link this thread every time you mouth off ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070168) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:53 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Lol you will be laughed at as a guy who literally cannot understand that taking one card out of a pile of cards affects the likelihood of other cards coming up in the next draw. You and your cohorts literally cannot understand this and have been puzzling over it all day like a chimp w a football.
And then, when you think you get my point, you try to argue that there's no difference if the guy hits or stands "because the data changes each time." I then remind you that no, ifhe hits he's taking a card out of the pile that could be drawn from so that changes things--for good or bad. If he Stands, then that DOES'NT change the pile. The subthread then dies.
So now you come back arguing w me that the counter has no right to be angry! It's just a game! This one sputters out, despite Earl's attempts to help you.
So then you go to the idea that, well, you shouldnt get mad when the niave guy wrongly plays because it's not until the card is drawn that you know whether it's a good play or a bad play for the counter! Uh, yeah! Who is saying otherwise. But when the card comes up and it changes the probabilities for the counter NEGATIVELY, then counter is going to be pissed the dude broke decorum and didnt play rationally and stand. That's why people get mad! They don't get mad until they see the negative consequence to them by changing the probabilities against them. That's how life works, son!
WHO is being pedantic, btw? The guy who just taught you about basic probability or the guy who wants to argue w me that it's not reasonable for the counter to get angry until he confirms that the previous play hurt him. It would be the latter, and also a lot of goalpoast pushing by the latter too. Good day, sir. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 7:30 PM Author: Soggy lodge "The point is that playing irrationally and hitting when you should stand does negatively impact other players if the card you draw negatively changes the favorable/not favorable on balance content of the remaining cards to be drawn. I dont see why you keep harping on the reasonableness of a person getting angry about that or not."
This is chance, not cause and effect. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:17 AM Author: Bearded razzle school gunner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067196) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:31 AM Author: floppy becky Good thread. I’ve seen dudes get really irate over this. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067261) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:42 AM Author: Orchid Corner Boiling Water They are the mirror image of stat nerds who took the fun out of baseball (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067314) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:46 AM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler sure, except stat nerdism actually make sense whereas this has all the neckbeardism of stat nerdism only it doesn't make any sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067328) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:01 AM Author: Orchid Corner Boiling Water Agree. I was just thinking about my statement above about running a blackjack simulation where everyone plays the "right" way. I think stat nerds want baseball to be like that-- every move is the right one, no bunts, launch angles, stolen bases are dumb, etc... It takes the feel out of the game even though they are probably right (and prole BJ players wrong). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067439) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:48 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address the opposite thing happened to me once. i was playing blackjack and some boomer made a really, really dumb move. i kindly told him that, and he got yosemite sam fuming mad. i assume he makes shit moves like that a lot and others have gotten mad at him for "screwing up their hand", so he preemptively gets very defensive when people comment on his play.
now i just play my own hand. some people are very on edge when they gamble. takes all the fun out of it. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 1:38 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address oh i remember what the play was. dude stood on a soft 15 or something. i tried explaining that he should always hit because his hand can only be improved or stay the same. he got really pissed at me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068707) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:06 AM Author: yapping snowy native (BOOM hitting on 18 screaming "it's all fraudlie$") (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067470) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:01 PM Author: Bistre big property rigor Underrated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067917) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:34 AM Author: spectacular point kitty I'm scared of casinos for this reason, too many "rules" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067674) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:36 AM Author: aqua beady-eyed stage mad cow disease of course they're going to be pissed when some jackass strips the face cards as they're sitting on 11 waiting to double
it goes both ways for counters. more cards being played before reshuffle = better edge. dudes robbing face cards when they don't need them = bad for everyone. ur not fucking them as much as ur just wasting their time or causing foregone profits
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:37 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address they're pissed when that happens but they're never grateful when the person takes a 4 and then they get the face card. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067701) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:41 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067731) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:42 AM Author: aqua beady-eyed stage mad cow disease cr this is basic human nature
im just pointing out that blackjack strategy is predicated on dealer sitting on a face and being dealt a face. so they are pissed when ppl make deck unnecessarily light (and never grateful the opposite way). you create edge in blackjack going big when the deck gets heavy. think about if deck was 75% face cards and ur playing with three ppl. everyone wins |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:45 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef Sounds like you are still falling for the fallacy bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067762) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:46 AM Author: aqua beady-eyed stage mad cow disease what fallacy? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067776) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:49 AM Author: vivacious red roast beef Judging by the second half of your post you think someone making a suboptimal decision can be bad ex-ante or other players based on the deck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067816) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:00 PM Author: aqua beady-eyed stage mad cow disease ya of course it has no impact on strategy. and of course the average boomer getting pissed isn't actually cc
im just pointing out that if someone is cc > wagers big into a heavy deck > 9's against 6 > all the proles to his right hit on 12 and bust > cc is going to be pissed bc he would have split and doubled
cc is a grind and edge is in moments like this. u can out-autist the cc and say his anger is irrational but who's the asshole when you lose $20 and he stood to potentially have edge on a $1k hand |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:37 PM Author: vivacious red roast beef Meh someone who’s that good at card counting has too good of an understanding of probability and statistics to get actually angry. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068240) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 1:06 PM Author: aqua beady-eyed stage mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068512) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:38 AM Author: seedy school cafeteria good thread. its poker where faggots genuinely fuck you up, not playing against the dealer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067703) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:41 AM Author: motley stage blood rage Yeah but you want them to keep playing like dumb faggots in poker. You may get a bad beat by somebody hitting a runner runner when they had no business being in that hand, but they give it all back eventually. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067729) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:41 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067735) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:45 AM Author: seedy school cafeteria yes when its all in, but not in the 2-4-6 shit where it only costs the ante to see the flip. this is the worst because you are playing against random retard luck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067759) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:46 AM Author: motley stage blood rage People who love to see the flop are easy prey. Once they display a proclivity to limp in, you just jack their shit up pre-flop with raises. It's even better if they call. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067781) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:51 AM Author: seedy school cafeteria yes but you cant do that in a limited game. its fycking torture when you have two aces or whatever and can only bet 2 dollars and everyone calls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067827) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:52 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground no lol, I'd be ecstatic to have aces and get every PF raise called (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067840) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:53 AM Author: seedy school cafeteria cool now how about my post (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067846) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:57 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground well I'm never not raising aces at least once, so sure, getting 2BB called in every spot would be great. even if my hands were somehow tied and I couldn't raise, this would be a favorable spot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067887) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:58 AM Author: seedy school cafeteria *flops 6 6 2* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067899) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:00 PM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground (guy who can't play postflop) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067912) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:02 PM Author: seedy school cafeteria (guy with 2 pair while i struggled to figure out whether four of a kind of full house is better) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067923) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:54 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067862) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:03 PM Author: deranged orchestra pit The most profitable games are the ones where you take the worst beats. Goes with the territory. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067926) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:48 AM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground cr you need to move up to where they respect your raises (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067797) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:06 PM Author: deranged orchestra pit Lol yep.
This dude would clearly be better off at 80/160 where everyone has memorized unexploitable piosolver preflop ranges from every position. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:07 PM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067969) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:49 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address you're playing against them. you want them to be retards.
if it's suboptimal to pay a small amount to see the flop and you're playing better than them, then you will be the one receiving those antes. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:54 AM Author: Bistre big property rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067857) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:56 AM Author: aphrodisiac free-loading gas station corn cake not gonna read through all this, but isn't it the case that they have just as much chance of helping you as hurting you? so for every, "u took muh card!" there's a "you got rid of a bad one for me." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067879) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 11:58 AM Author: Bistre big property rigor almost everyone on xo but spaceporn seems to grasp this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067898) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:01 PM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground the remarkable thing is no matter how many new people pile on, he still holds to his original (comically wrong) stance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067918) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:08 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address i used to think all the anti-sp stuff on this bort was tiresome. but now that i know how dumb and unlikable he is it makes a lot of sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067973) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:11 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler yeah, nobody should be threatening his kid or whatever -- i dont know what's going on with that psycho -- but regardless he is just a terrible poaster and an incredible moron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067990) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:17 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068051) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:19 PM Author: seedy school cafeteria cr with this post 100% and that is why he belongs here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068066) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:23 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address he's being so dumb itt that i'm beginning to wonder whether it's all an elaborate flame and i'm actually the dumb one getting trolled by it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068097) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:36 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler nah, the reason i go back and forth with him is somewhere deep down inside he knows how dumb he is and is real butthurt about it. i got him so flustered one day he wanted to fight me and was demanding i come to virginia and meet him in a parking lot. it was lol. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068225) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:47 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address didn't someone actually buy tickets once and sp backed out?
we all know who is in irl. how could anyone be intimidated by him? he's so paunchy and jew-ey. why would he think anyone would be intimidated by an out of shape 50 y/o shitlawyer? the fact that he even resorts to physical challenges just reinforces what a dumb prole he is.
like, don't most people grow out of the "fight me irl!" in their teens? |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:47 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard You did not understand that when you hit and take a card that changes the probability that other cards will be drawn in the next person's hand. You had no idea about this until I had to pain a picture of it about a dozen times, and you very arrogantly didn't concede until Earl restated my position. I can't help that you are innumerate-- |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:50 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler no you retard. the point is that the odds of it being a good or bad effect are equal. so it remains net neutral to you whether someone plays rationally or irrationally ex ante. do you not understand this still? this is literally mathematically irrefutable. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070160) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:52 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Do you have aspergers? You just can't figure this out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070171) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:53 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler i have never seen a person so thoroughly embarrass themselves ITT as you have. the only person close was rasquie and you've bested her. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070180) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:56 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard Well at least it seems you've moved away from your position that it makes no difference to other players whether someone hits when they should rationally stand. Given that that is not mathematically tenable, that's probably a good thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070201) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:58 PM Author: pontificating home karate How many different ways can you find to say the exact same thing over and over while being 100% wrong each and every time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070207) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:04 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler yes, of course. this is intuitively obviously to anyone with an IQ above 115 (i.e., everyone but spaceporn). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42067938) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:21 PM Author: Citrine Disgusting Locus this is how it would seem to me.
it kind of also takes the fun out of it doesn't it?
what's the point of playing the hands if discretion is taken away from the players? |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:45 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard this is correct.
Literally no one understood that taking a hit when you should have stood can negatively or positively affect the other players who are counting cards. That was really the issue. And none of the SP haters here seemed to understand that concept in particular until it was explained to them in excrutiating detail. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:28 PM Author: Soggy lodge I think what SP is missing (and what I was missing for about 15 seconds) is that it is irrational for a card counter to be annoyed by the results of what a bad player does, even if it alters his expected probability - because that is the same as a non card counter getting mad that the bad players "stole" his face card or whatever.
If the act does not help or hurt the probability of your success before the fact, if you are annoyed by the act after the fact, you are annoyed at your bad luck, not at what the player did.
Beyond this, SP is now being pedantic to avoid acknowledging that his initial thinking was wrong. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:34 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler correct. it literally makes as much sense to be mad at the deck for spitting out cards in a given order. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068206) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:37 PM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground proles getting mad at the dealer is hilarious btw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068231) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:39 PM Author: mewling milky menage deer antler cr. a lot of them are probably shitlawyers like spaceporn. the world must be so infuriating when you feel like you never really understand what's going on. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068267) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:44 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address they actually are so sure they know what's going on. what's infuriating to them is when reality doesn't align with their beliefs. instead of changing their beliefs to conform with reality, they get angry at the "unfairness" of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068319) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:38 PM Author: Soggy lodge He's backtracking to the pedantic - "well it technically changes the odds after the fact" - which is true of all things. But the decision to be annoyed at the act is only rational if the act changes your expected probability before the act is taken, which is does not.
His brain needs to close the circle on the argument and realize that his card counting argument is the same as someone holding a 6 and a 5, mad that the dude before him took his King and left him with 4. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 5:49 PM Author: Obsidian metal library gay wizard I dont think you know what the word "pedantic" means. And you seem fixated on when it is reasonable to get mad or not. Sort of like what you have done in other circumstances. Do you have an issue w people getting mad in traffic also? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070154) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:03 PM Author: maize electric gaming laptop shrine You're still getting it though. It does not alter his probability. And if Spaceporn hit hit hits six little face cards against a dealers sixteen, the card counter may decide to split tens or something crazy.
A card counter only cares about the count getting high or low, which merely tells them to alter their strategy a little for high or low counts and to increase or decrease his bet, which already happened before Spaceporn hits on 17. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:30 PM Author: boyish cuck reading party lol at Spaceporn bombing this thread out like a Stuka dive bomber (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068171) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:33 PM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068199) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:34 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068208) |
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Date: October 17th, 2025 11:11 AM Author: talented resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49355501) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:45 PM Author: aphrodisiac free-loading gas station corn cake Spaceporn definitely called some guy a shitheel for taking his card at some point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068330) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 12:51 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address sp is too much of a pussy to do anything like that irl. what happened is he internalized the anger of someone "stealing" his face card and now is expressing that rage on an anonymous law school message bort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068396) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 1:02 PM Author: Appetizing Pearl Parlor wow, a lot of smug faggots itt. yes, from a pure probability perspective, other people’s play has no affect on the PROBABILITY of you winning. but if you stand on 20, have a guy in last position who hits on a 16 against a dealer 6 and takes a face card, and the dealer ends up hitting into a 21 when the dealer would’ve otherwise busted, that guy IN FACT made you lose when you would have otherwise won. that’s reason enough to be pissed at his stupidity. why the fuck would you only care about the probability and not the actual results? if that’s you, just walk into the casino, give them 1% of the money you planned to put into play, and walk out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068481) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 1:04 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address several people have pointed this out and no one disagrees, stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068497) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 1:10 PM Author: Appetizing Pearl Parlor i only see subthreads with arguments about whether others’ bad play affects your probability of winning or whether it should affect the way you play. i’m acknowledging that it does neither, but pointing out that you can still reasonably be pissed at others’ bad play, retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068528) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 1:12 PM Author: Soggy lodge you aren't pissed at the bad play of others. You are pissed at your own bad luck, or the dealer's good luck, in what follows the "bad play" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068545) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 1:19 PM Author: Appetizing Pearl Parlor no, i’m pissed at the bad play. i would’ve otherwise won the hand. an idiot did something that he shouldn’t have done, and, as a direct result, i lost the hand. why is it ridiculous for me to be pissed at him in that situation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068584) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 1:59 PM Author: Soggy lodge that is because you are irrationally looking at the decision the bad player made. You losing or winning the hand as a result of his bad play is exactly the same as you winning or losing the hand as a result of the cards you are dealt yourself.
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Date: March 8th, 2021 1:19 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address the subthread is people unsuccessfully trying to convince sp that it doesn't impact the probability. i think everyone recognizes that it is illogical, but understandable, for someone to get upset when someone's bad move literally impacts what would have happened if they played correctly. let be honest, i'm sure most people itt would silently seethe a bit if they wound up with a 13 doubling down because the guy before them busted hitting on 16 when the dealer was showing a 6.
edit: i see you said reasonable. it's unreasonable to be pissed at it. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 1:12 PM Author: floppy becky It’s all about phenotype.
If a high jock Chad wants to split queens then ain’t no one gonna say shit. If some Melvin comes to a chill table and starts making all sorts of autistic moves and the table starts losing, Melvin is rightfully going to take some shit. |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 1:34 PM Author: Curious Cruise Ship Boltzmann "you play your cards, I'll play mine" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068687) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 2:29 PM Author: maize electric gaming laptop shrine I had a period where I split tens constantly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42068989) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 3:05 PM Author: bearded plaza hunting ground alpha move is split/stay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42069224) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 3:22 PM Author: boyish cuck reading party based (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42069339) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 3:27 PM Author: ebony titillating striped hyena *SP's mailbox explodes from LV Hotel comp offers* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42069386) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 3:33 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42069416) |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 12:33 AM Author: ebony titillating striped hyena (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#47076625) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 6:25 PM Author: razzmatazz saffron ticket booth milk They are gambling addicts & need someplace to put the blame they feel inside. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070353) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 7:17 PM Author: yapping snowy native good fucking god what the fuck is wrong with you people? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070677) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 7:32 PM Author: orange mind-boggling address everyone itt reached the correct conclusion except for spaceporn, and 99% of the thread is people trying to convince him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42070731) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 8:45 PM Author: maize electric gaming laptop shrine Spaceporn counting cards, "yeah, there have been 58 cards played this shoe" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42071171) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 10:37 PM Author: pontificating home karate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42071825) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 8:45 PM Author: coral trust fund Holy fucking shit at this thread. The guy who said he can’t imagine having to deal w working across from people like spaceporn in shitlaw every day is so fucking right about that. I can’t even imagine poasting on a board like JDU where someone like SP is probably of average intelligence or better for the cohort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42071175) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 8:48 PM Author: Soggy lodge it's the aggressive stubbornness. Reminds me of Madame Cunt and Rasqie. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42071191) |
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Date: March 8th, 2021 9:26 PM Author: coral trust fund Right like I think you said upthread that you were making a similar mental error but then quickly realized it. That’s totally reasonable, and like others have said certain probability issues can be counter intuitive even for smart people.
Spaceporn just digs his heels in and keeps making completely moronic multiparagraph posts just restating the same fallacy over and over even after like 20 people have tried to explain it to him. Reminds me of the story about MVS covering the Monty hall problem in her Parade column with thousands and thousands of people writing in who just could not get it |
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Date: March 9th, 2021 3:51 AM Author: orange mind-boggling address (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42072548) |
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Date: March 9th, 2021 2:50 AM Author: Aggressive fanboi this thread is why g is very real, ladies and gents. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42072470) |
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Date: June 10th, 2021 6:40 AM Author: Bistre big property rigor I 100% guarantee this thread is going to be Exhibit 1 for the defense during the sentencing phase of spaceporn’s trial, seeking mitigation based on diminished capacity (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42603302) |
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Date: June 30th, 2021 2:32 AM Author: coral trust fund Lol retard, SP will NEVER be tried. Are you new here? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#42709337) |
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Date: May 8th, 2023 12:55 PM Author: Topaz abode telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#46285009) |
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Date: March 13th, 2024 11:56 AM Author: olive diverse goyim (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#47489880) |
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Date: March 13th, 2024 11:56 AM Author: olive diverse goyim (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#47489879) |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 12:35 AM Author: chestnut startling place of business theatre holy shit i totally forgot about this thread
this was absolutely incredible. christopher spinelli is an internet treasure |
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Date: October 17th, 2025 11:12 AM Author: chestnut startling place of business theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49355507) |
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Date: March 13th, 2024 11:56 AM Author: olive diverse goyim lol what a fucking retard
i want to lock spinelli in a shipping container and the only way out is for him to solve a stats problem |
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Date: July 3rd, 2024 2:16 PM Author: brass internet-worthy piazza coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#47806058) |
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Date: October 17th, 2025 2:04 AM Author: twisted brunch turdskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49355026) |
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Date: October 17th, 2025 11:12 AM Author: talented resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4782366&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49355509) |