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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Walnut partner lay

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#48985020)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#48997575)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49064860)



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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49070377)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49077411)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49084518)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49098591)



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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49101058)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49105012)



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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49117359)



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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49128622)



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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49141968)



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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49143857)



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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49156580)



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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49172980)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49421817)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49421862)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49422254)



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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49424474)



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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49425035)



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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49425543)



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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49427654)



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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49436681)



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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:03 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49436785)



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Date: November 17th, 2025 6:11 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49439167)



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Date: November 18th, 2025 7:01 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49454945)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 12:15 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



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Date: November 26th, 2025 4:27 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



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Date: November 26th, 2025 10:41 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49464738)



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Date: November 27th, 2025 5:48 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49466319)



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Date: November 28th, 2025 12:55 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle ocher scourge upon the earth



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49467160)



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Date: December 2nd, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49478445)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 5:54 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49484240)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 9:25 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49484832)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Salmon idiot

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Razzmatazz space hairy legs

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Salmon idiot

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Razzmatazz space hairy legs

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Salmon idiot

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: thriller people who are hurt karate

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Razzle Adulterous Garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: House-broken corn cake



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: light appetizing antidepressant drug

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Slap-happy Dashing Trump Supporter

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: trip abusive hospital factory reset button

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: thriller people who are hurt karate

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Demanding Cracking Parlor

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: frisky glittery associate casino

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: Crystalline marketing idea lettuce

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: Multi-colored Bat Shit Crazy Sex Offender National

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: exciting mint hunting ground ticket booth

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49458174)