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MLB Bros: Is Skenes' Cy Young @ 10-10 Worst For SP? (De Grom Won @ 10-9, 11-8)

king felix won at 13-12. obv relief pitchers have won wit...
charismatic purple ratface
  10/19/25
didnt some closers with a losing record win?
Chestnut Concupiscible Weed Whacker Pisswyrm
  10/19/25
Apparently only Gagne in '03.
spectacular theatre
  10/19/25
n.b. looks like sutter won a cy @ 6-6
charismatic purple ratface
  10/20/25
yes, hence "SP" in the thread title and "obv ...
charismatic purple ratface
  10/19/25
sheeit
Chestnut Concupiscible Weed Whacker Pisswyrm
  10/19/25
cy young was a great pitcher, but he didn't get a lot of win...
Passionate regret center
  10/19/25
good point
Chestnut Concupiscible Weed Whacker Pisswyrm
  10/19/25
Cr it's not the Cy WINS award
racy legend bawdyhouse
  10/20/25
He literally has the most wins and the most losses of any ML...
Clear Nudist Cumskin
  10/20/25
you cant just magically win games as a pitcher when you dont...
Rose toilet seat resort
  10/20/25
poor RC? nobody ITT is shitting on skenes. ITT we all recogn...
charismatic purple ratface
  10/20/25
See: 2004 NL Cy Young, where Clemens beat Big Unit because R...
Alcoholic set background story
  10/20/25
great example. yankee fan who loved clemens then -- even aft...
charismatic purple ratface
  10/20/25
Randy was 40 years old that year and threw a perfect game. ...
Alcoholic set background story
  10/20/25
Did randy juice?
charismatic purple ratface
  10/20/25
Not sure why that matters but probably given that everyone j...
Alcoholic set background story
  10/20/25
It’s an interesting question given he’s never be...
charismatic purple ratface
  10/20/25
Only 3 players pitched 200+ innings. In 2019, 15 pitchers...
Impertinent prole becky
  10/20/25
these guys still have as many injuries and tommy john surger...
charismatic purple ratface
  10/20/25


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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:48 PM
Author: charismatic purple ratface

king felix won at 13-12.

obv relief pitchers have won with worse or losing records, but incredible how far baseball has come that a 10-10 record can win a cy young.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49360991)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:49 PM
Author: Chestnut Concupiscible Weed Whacker Pisswyrm

didnt some closers with a losing record win?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49360993)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:57 PM
Author: spectacular theatre

Apparently only Gagne in '03.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361004)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:00 AM
Author: charismatic purple ratface

n.b. looks like sutter won a cy @ 6-6

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361009)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: charismatic purple ratface

yes, hence "SP" in the thread title and "obv relief pitchers" int he OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361006)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:59 PM
Author: Chestnut Concupiscible Weed Whacker Pisswyrm

sheeit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361008)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Passionate regret center

cy young was a great pitcher, but he didn't get a lot of wins

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361005)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Chestnut Concupiscible Weed Whacker Pisswyrm

good point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361007)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: racy legend bawdyhouse

Cr it's not the Cy WINS award

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361025)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:27 AM
Author: Clear Nudist Cumskin

He literally has the most wins and the most losses of any MLB pitcher ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361092)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:29 AM
Author: Rose toilet seat resort

you cant just magically win games as a pitcher when you dont give up any runs to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361097)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:00 AM
Author: charismatic purple ratface

poor RC? nobody ITT is shitting on skenes. ITT we all recognize he's on a terrible team

the issue ITT is discussion of a fundamental shift in baseball thinking -- away from wins and losses, and toward advance stats. which is a good thing. a guy with a 10-10 record and a sub-2 ERA would never have won the cy prior to ~15 years ago bc of hur durr writers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361267)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:14 AM
Author: Alcoholic set background story

See: 2004 NL Cy Young, where Clemens beat Big Unit because Roger was 18-4 while Randy was 16-14. Randy led the league in WAR (8.4 to Roger's 5.4), strike outs, WHIP, ERA+, and had 2.60 ERA to Roger's 2.98.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.shtml#all_NL_CYA_voting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361279)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:27 AM
Author: charismatic purple ratface

great example. yankee fan who loved clemens then -- even after he left -- and i was totally fine with that outcome at the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361383)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:49 AM
Author: Alcoholic set background story

Randy was 40 years old that year and threw a perfect game.

Ben Sheets actually also had way better stats than Roger but because he played in Milwaukee nobody gave a shit and he only got ONE tiny pink vote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361544)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: charismatic purple ratface

Did randy juice?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361583)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: Alcoholic set background story

Not sure why that matters but probably given that everyone juiced and he was coming off injuries in 2003 and he was so good as he got old. Argument against him juicing: he has never been accused, his stats can be explained by learning control as he got older/gave up a couple MPH. Conclusion: he's 18000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361619)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:39 AM
Author: charismatic purple ratface

It’s an interesting question given he’s never been linked. Guys not linked that obviously doped, like David Ortiz, are heroes in the baseball media because they didn’t dope.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361626)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:55 AM
Author: Impertinent prole becky

Only 3 players pitched 200+ innings.

In 2019, 15 pitchers did that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361421)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:21 AM
Author: charismatic purple ratface

these guys still have as many injuries and tommy john surgeries despite all this pussy pitch count crap

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49361477)