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why do people think logic games is so improvable?

this doesnt really make sense. there's nothing esoter...
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
the diagramming, being a retard who doesn't instinctively ge...
hideous turquoise area
  03/08/12
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Domesticated giraffe
  03/08/12
also you get much better at them just by doing around 20-30
Domesticated giraffe
  03/08/12
wouldnt you naturally diagram if it seemed necessary?
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
I don't know, there are different ways to diagram, and you m...
hideous turquoise area
  03/08/12
http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=6
laughsome scarlet place of business
  03/08/12
STFU doobs
coiffed exciting roast beef meetinghouse
  03/08/12
doobs would murder everyone on this chatblog if he could hav...
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
what did you get breh? what kind of score would you guarante...
coiffed exciting roast beef meetinghouse
  03/08/12
should i do this? im not a law student and not looking ...
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
breh you didn't answer like any of my questions. the issue ...
coiffed exciting roast beef meetinghouse
  03/08/12
would they really breh? im not a lawyer so i dont know
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
you'd catch a felony charge and the feds might get involved ...
coiffed exciting roast beef meetinghouse
  03/08/12
jesus, breh. id probably charge at least 25k in that ca...
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
too much money. no one's paying you $25k because you got a 1...
coiffed exciting roast beef meetinghouse
  03/08/12
fuck. i dont want to go to jail, though.
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
probably shouldn't take the SAT for bros then. although like...
coiffed exciting roast beef meetinghouse
  03/08/12
because there's only 4 or 5 common setups - people who origi...
black degenerate
  03/08/12
but if youre dumb enough to really suck at it then i think t...
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
not to a lot of reasonably bright ppl, actually
hideous turquoise area
  03/08/12
because you learn the few techniques and frameworks necessar...
Effete halford
  03/08/12
wheres the "technique" or "framework" th...
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
unless you automatically know how to efficiently symbolicall...
Effete halford
  03/08/12
havent these people been doing symbolic representation/manip...
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
i had very little experience with it the first time i'd ever...
Effete halford
  03/08/12
because once you learn to ignore all the stuff about "a...
vibrant bat-shit-crazy sanctuary
  03/08/12
what requires a book/class/tutor to teach you this shit?
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
lacking a logical cast of mind
hideous turquoise area
  03/08/12
in which case youre fucked anyway, right? im not doubti...
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
nope, not fucked anyway. we can only repeat the same cycle o...
hideous turquoise area
  03/08/12
but theres no evidence im wrong. the lsats are pretty s...
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
you know that raw scores haven't improved/that the test hasn...
hideous turquoise area
  03/08/12
no, i havent seen evidence of this.
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
all the evidence indicates ur wrong u dumbshit.
Bateful carmine fortuitous meteor
  03/08/12
i don't think you need a book or a class necessarily, just s...
vibrant bat-shit-crazy sanctuary
  03/08/12
because shit tons of people improve on it by reading the LG ...
180 national
  03/08/12
i guess this is what i kind of doubt
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
it's a fact though
hideous turquoise area
  03/08/12
im guessing the lsac doesnt admit this.
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
yeah I imagine they don't advertise it
hideous turquoise area
  03/08/12
do you think everyone on TLS is gaining 10+ points by placeb...
180 national
  03/08/12
i dont think people are gaining a ton of points. otherwise t...
Unhinged plaza double fault
  03/08/12
lol every1 is just lieing faggot.
Bateful carmine fortuitous meteor
  03/08/12
i don't think it's as easy to improve as some people say.
vibrant bat-shit-crazy sanctuary
  03/08/12
I think some ppl find it easy and others find it hard
hideous turquoise area
  03/08/12
yes
vibrant bat-shit-crazy sanctuary
  03/08/12
The average LSAT taker has never heard of TLS or LG Bible. I...
180 national
  03/08/12
...
hideous turquoise area
  03/08/12
def. worth it to work on games now, in 2026, FOR SURE
nyuug
  02/19/26


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Date: March 8th, 2012 10:16 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

this doesnt really make sense.

there's nothing esoteric about a logic game. the only difficulty is the time limit. what techniques are supposed to improve this?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20159725)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 10:17 PM
Author: hideous turquoise area

the diagramming, being a retard who doesn't instinctively get what a contrapositive is and learning it from an lsat logic games "bible"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20159728)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 10:19 PM
Author: Domesticated giraffe



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20159743)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 10:20 PM
Author: Domesticated giraffe

also you get much better at them just by doing around 20-30

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20159746)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:22 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

wouldnt you naturally diagram if it seemed necessary?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160373)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:23 PM
Author: hideous turquoise area

I don't know, there are different ways to diagram, and you might not realize that diagramming's more efficient. I actually didn't diagram, just got one wrong

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160388)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 10:17 PM
Author: laughsome scarlet place of business

http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=6

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20159729)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 10:20 PM
Author: coiffed exciting roast beef meetinghouse

STFU doobs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20159753)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:23 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

doobs would murder everyone on this chatblog if he could have me take the lsat for him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160380)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:24 PM
Author: coiffed exciting roast beef meetinghouse

what did you get breh? what kind of score would you guarantee? it would be awesome as fukkkk if i could take the LSAT for people. i think i could get $5,000 per administration if there was a good way to hook up with clients.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160398)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:26 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

should i do this?

im not a law student and not looking to ever be admitted to the bar.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160425)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:27 PM
Author: coiffed exciting roast beef meetinghouse

breh you didn't answer like any of my questions. the issue isn't really whether you can get admitted to a bar, but whether they will throw your ass in motherfucking jail if you get caught.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160443)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:28 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

would they really breh? im not a lawyer so i dont know

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160449)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:29 PM
Author: coiffed exciting roast beef meetinghouse

you'd catch a felony charge and the feds might get involved if you were crossing state lines to do it. i'd say there's a good chance they do give you some time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160460)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:31 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

jesus, breh.

id probably charge at least 25k in that case

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160484)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:33 PM
Author: coiffed exciting roast beef meetinghouse

too much money. no one's paying you $25k because you got a 172.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160509)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:35 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

fuck.

i dont want to go to jail, though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160538)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:37 PM
Author: coiffed exciting roast beef meetinghouse

probably shouldn't take the SAT for bros then. although likelihood of getting caught would be low if you did it just a couple times.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160556)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:23 PM
Author: black degenerate

because there's only 4 or 5 common setups - people who originally sucked at the section can generally learn these setups, how to deal with them, and profit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160389)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:25 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

but if youre dumb enough to really suck at it then i think the time limit would fuck you anyway.

its not like theres a linear algebra section on the lsat. i can see why studying would make a big difference there, but logic games are pretty intuitive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160413)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:26 PM
Author: hideous turquoise area

not to a lot of reasonably bright ppl, actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160430)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:25 PM
Author: Effete halford

because you learn the few techniques and frameworks necessary to solve all logic games and practice applying them quickly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160416)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:26 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

wheres the "technique" or "framework" thats not really obvious?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160433)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:30 PM
Author: Effete halford

unless you automatically know how to efficiently symbolically represent the games on paper and manipulate those symbols towards the correct solution without going down a wrong path, practice is the only way you'll learn to do so.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160468)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:32 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

havent these people been doing symbolic representation/manipulation/computation since 6th grade?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160505)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:38 PM
Author: Effete halford

i had very little experience with it the first time i'd ever seen it and i have a reasonably strong math background. my scores on games the first few times i tried them were abysmal. after practice and seeing some hints and techniques for attacking them, my scores were nearly perfect.

i think the real problem is that games require a minimal level of reading comprehension and mapping the ideas to symbols, then manipulating those symbols. this is different from writing essays or doing word problems in math. i guess it's closest to writing mathematical proofs but requires lower level but quicker logical reasoning.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160572)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:26 PM
Author: vibrant bat-shit-crazy sanctuary

because once you learn to ignore all the stuff about "apartment buildings" and "Radio Station Disc Jockeys", etc., the problems are easier to deal with in terms of logical relationships.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160431)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:27 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

what requires a book/class/tutor to teach you this shit?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160440)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:29 PM
Author: hideous turquoise area

lacking a logical cast of mind

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160459)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:30 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

in which case youre fucked anyway, right?

im not doubting that techniques are useful to solve logic games. im doubting the kind of person who cant figure out these techniques on their own.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160474)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:32 PM
Author: hideous turquoise area

nope, not fucked anyway. we can only repeat the same cycle of you rephrasing your point 50 different ways and me/other ppl saying you're wrong so many times

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160497)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:35 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

but theres no evidence im wrong.

the lsats are pretty similar. and people arent doing much better despite the increase in tutoring/practice.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160530)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:36 PM
Author: hideous turquoise area

you know that raw scores haven't improved/that the test hasn't gotten harder over the past 15 years?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160550)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:42 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

no, i havent seen evidence of this.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160622)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:38 PM
Author: Bateful carmine fortuitous meteor

all the evidence indicates ur wrong u dumbshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160567)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:31 PM
Author: vibrant bat-shit-crazy sanctuary

i don't think you need a book or a class necessarily, just seeing the format of the problems ahead of time can help

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160489)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:27 PM
Author: 180 national

because shit tons of people improve on it by reading the LG Bible?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160439)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:27 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

i guess this is what i kind of doubt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160446)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:28 PM
Author: hideous turquoise area

it's a fact though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160454)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:29 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

im guessing the lsac doesnt admit this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160462)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:30 PM
Author: hideous turquoise area

yeah I imagine they don't advertise it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160472)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:31 PM
Author: 180 national

do you think everyone on TLS is gaining 10+ points by placebo effect or something?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160490)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:34 PM
Author: Unhinged plaza double fault

i dont think people are gaining a ton of points. otherwise the test wouldnt be breaking people over the curve so easily.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160520)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:36 PM
Author: Bateful carmine fortuitous meteor

lol every1 is just lieing faggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160547)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:38 PM
Author: vibrant bat-shit-crazy sanctuary

i don't think it's as easy to improve as some people say.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160568)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:38 PM
Author: hideous turquoise area

I think some ppl find it easy and others find it hard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160576)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:39 PM
Author: vibrant bat-shit-crazy sanctuary

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160588)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:40 PM
Author: 180 national

The average LSAT taker has never heard of TLS or LG Bible. I gained like 11 points from my diag, almost all of it on games.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160596)



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Date: March 8th, 2012 11:41 PM
Author: hideous turquoise area



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#20160600)



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Date: February 19th, 2026 6:45 PM
Author: nyuug

def. worth it to work on games now, in 2026, FOR SURE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=1893397&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#49681283)