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what do you think of this $10M house in Kennebunkport, Maine?

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/60-Ocean-Ave-Kennebunkpor...
180 Swollen Range
  07/21/26
It looks like something an NFL owner would scoop up but neve...
violent godawful meetinghouse immigrant
  07/21/26
I've seen more tasteless in my time, it's not overly garish
180 Swollen Range
  07/21/26
That's exactly why it would end up in the hands of someone v...
violent godawful meetinghouse immigrant
  07/21/26
it seems really cozy and comfy even though it's enormous
Jet site fanboi
  07/21/26
look at the house behind it and imagine me sitting on the po...
carmine state
  07/21/26
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Impressive Rose Dingle Berry National
  07/22/26
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Silver Vivacious Telephone
  07/22/26
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mauve deer antler heaven
  07/23/26
180
mischievous mewling hissy fit
  07/23/26
TTT garage-first view from the street lined with normal 4,00...
Multi-colored Gas Station
  07/21/26
There's a lot to dislike, but at first I didn't catch that i...
Floppy prole
  07/21/26
isnt this place warm like 45 days out of the year. why would...
Sickened affirmative action
  07/21/26
I just don't get the appeal of a house this fucking huge.
sticky hospital
  07/21/26
IMO, huge homes made more sense back in the day (this house ...
Floppy prole
  07/21/26
This makes sense and I hadn't considered it. tyft. I reme...
sticky hospital
  07/21/26
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beady-eyed flushed office
  07/22/26
many of the renovations make it look like the world's larges...
Tripping Library People Who Are Hurt
  07/21/26
the upkeep and maintenance on this house must be insane i...
boyish self-absorbed karate step-uncle's house
  07/21/26
Yea calculating the heating bill is giving me anxiety. At l...
Sickened affirmative action
  07/21/26
LOL why would you assume no AC? Everywhere in this count...
Floppy prole
  07/21/26
Houses built in like 1909 don’t have central air ime
adventurous tattoo twinkling uncleanness
  07/21/26
They do when they get put through heavy renovations and owne...
Floppy prole
  07/21/26
Houses in Maine aren't supposed to have A/C.
Sickened affirmative action
  07/22/26
lol of course this house has fucking air conditioning you di...
mind-boggling partner
  07/22/26
I know what you mean. My family's cabin in northern WI doesn...
vibrant macaca
  07/22/26
I wouldn't assume ACs just left to sit will last a "lon...
Aphrodisiac haunting university
  07/23/26
I guess "a long fucking time" is quite a vague phr...
vibrant macaca
  07/23/26
these houses tend to be owned by rich people
carmine state
  07/21/26
would love an autistic richmo to break down the upkeep costs...
jet-lagged turquoise kitchen
  07/21/26
This is basically the type of place that random middle class...
adventurous tattoo twinkling uncleanness
  07/21/26
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Sickened affirmative action
  07/21/26
10M and ur not even on the water? Fuck that.
flickering brindle fortuitous meteor
  07/21/26
tcr
beady-eyed flushed office
  07/22/26
The elevated lawn reminds me the old Xzibit memes
Contagious Red Hall
  07/21/26
nice house but I don't see the point of spending ten million...
cowardly rehab mediation
  07/22/26
needs Japanese toilets
Provocative Ruby Den Brethren
  07/22/26
Amerikkkans just go around with dirty assholes all day, fyi.
Spectacular yapping police squad factory reset button
  07/22/26
I don’t. Installed one in my condo. They’re not ...
shaky set doctorate
  07/22/26
the Bush compound nearby is the most prestigious and badass ...
Passionate Snowy Box Office
  07/22/26
They're not going to hang out with you just because you boug...
beady-eyed flushed office
  07/23/26
that wine cellar in the basement looks chintzy. like they j...
mind-boggling partner
  07/22/26
Wife wouldn't let her husband have a true sportscuck mancave...
Silver Vivacious Telephone
  07/22/26
This whole thing is a Disaster and should be Leveled. Premiu...
Swashbuckling salmon puppy depressive
  07/22/26
According to them, the garage is on the rear of the house. T...
Floppy prole
  07/23/26
Ghastly
razzmatazz ivory corner turdskin
  07/22/26
Give me 1/3 of the home but put it actually on the water wit...
slate nudist location
  07/22/26
Oafish
Twinkling space
  07/22/26
the lack of multiple unusable hot tubs is very troubling
mind-boggling partner
  07/22/26
I forsee a price cut
Big sienna center
  07/22/26
There's over an acre sitting there basically empty. Obvio...
Floppy prole
  07/23/26
I think your daddy is gonna end up selling for under 8 mil b...
flickering brindle fortuitous meteor
  07/23/26
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beady-eyed flushed office
  07/23/26
A cursory AI search indicates to me that zoning is either ha...
Floppy prole
  07/23/26
Glanced at the listing photos. Surprised that a few people t...
Topaz Infuriating Forum
  07/23/26
I mentioned that it was old because if you didn't know it wa...
Floppy prole
  07/23/26
its sandwiched between two roads with a public marina within...
bistre talented home
  07/23/26


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Date: July 21st, 2026 1:15 PM
Author: 180 Swollen Range

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/60-Ocean-Ave-Kennebunkport-ME-04046/112706086_zpid/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50014381)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 1:16 PM
Author: violent godawful meetinghouse immigrant

It looks like something an NFL owner would scoop up but never actually live in

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50014383)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 1:19 PM
Author: 180 Swollen Range

I've seen more tasteless in my time, it's not overly garish

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50014385)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 1:22 PM
Author: violent godawful meetinghouse immigrant

That's exactly why it would end up in the hands of someone very, very wealthy and not some upjumped new money cretin.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50014391)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 1:31 PM
Author: Jet site fanboi

it seems really cozy and comfy even though it's enormous

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50014406)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 1:35 PM
Author: carmine state

look at the house behind it and imagine me sitting on the porch drinking a 40

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50014418)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 12:18 AM
Author: Impressive Rose Dingle Berry National



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016006)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 9:35 AM
Author: Silver Vivacious Telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016433)



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Date: July 23rd, 2026 10:55 AM
Author: mauve deer antler heaven



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50018972)



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Date: July 23rd, 2026 10:58 AM
Author: mischievous mewling hissy fit

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50018982)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 2:18 PM
Author: Multi-colored Gas Station

TTT garage-first view from the street lined with normal 4,000 sq ft houses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50014502)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 5:15 PM
Author: Floppy prole

There's a lot to dislike, but at first I didn't catch that it was originally built in 1900. That covers a fair amount of sins.

I think I'd need to see it in person. Lots of it looks like they went too far with updates (so much painted woodwork...)

Other parts look like they didn't go far enough (pool area looks pretty shitty)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50014923)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 5:39 PM
Author: Sickened affirmative action

isnt this place warm like 45 days out of the year. why would someone want to live in "kennebunkport"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015010)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 5:41 PM
Author: sticky hospital

I just don't get the appeal of a house this fucking huge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015029)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 6:41 PM
Author: Floppy prole

IMO, huge homes made more sense back in the day (this house was originally constructed in 1900).

Richmos tended to keep more staff in their presence, people tended to have larger families. Also, lodging & transportation weren't as refined as they are now, so there was a greater societal expectation for wealthy to host guests at their estates.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015186)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 9:34 PM
Author: sticky hospital

This makes sense and I hadn't considered it. tyft.

I remember watching one of those Tiny Home shows and Deion Sanders was on it. He wanted to move out of his huge 10k square foot mansion because he said he legitimately only used like three rooms in the house and it was just a waste.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015608)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 12:13 AM
Author: beady-eyed flushed office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015997)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 6:49 PM
Author: Tripping Library People Who Are Hurt

many of the renovations make it look like the world's largest mcmansion

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015208)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 7:16 PM
Author: boyish self-absorbed karate step-uncle's house

the upkeep and maintenance on this house must be insane

it costs me like $1000 in electricity a monoth for my tiny little 2500 sq foot home

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015266)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 7:23 PM
Author: Sickened affirmative action

Yea calculating the heating bill is giving me anxiety. At least no A/C I assume.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015278)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 9:04 PM
Author: Floppy prole

LOL why would you assume no AC?

Everywhere in this country makes very regular use of AC other than Alaska, coastal Norcal/OR/WA, some scattered high altitude mountain towns, and maybe some coastal Great Lakes spots (Mackinac Island, Copper Harbor?).

The average high in Kennebunkport this month is 84. It hit 96 there on July 2.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015525)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 9:06 PM
Author: adventurous tattoo twinkling uncleanness

Houses built in like 1909 don’t have central air ime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015533)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 9:15 PM
Author: Floppy prole

They do when they get put through heavy renovations and owners think they deserve $10M for them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015566)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 9:07 AM
Author: Sickened affirmative action

Houses in Maine aren't supposed to have A/C.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016411)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 10:18 AM
Author: mind-boggling partner

lol of course this house has fucking air conditioning you dipshit. this is America.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016500)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 7:27 PM
Author: vibrant macaca

I know what you mean. My family's cabin in northern WI doesn't have AC. You could say it's not supposed to; it's a relatively small, basic place on a lake.

But a couple times this summer my old man has backed out of going there w/ me because it's been too hot. I'm starting to not really understand why we aren't sticking a few portable room A/C units up there. They go for around $600 a piece, so we'd probably be able to get the whole cabin cooled for under $2k. The units would probably last a long fucking time too because they'd only get used a few weeks a year.

The fuck are we even doing here? Why am I missing out on one of the last summers my dad has with okay health over ~$200/yr? It's not my call, it's my dad's place and he's really cheap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50017773)



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Date: July 23rd, 2026 1:02 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac haunting university

I wouldn't assume ACs just left to sit will last a "long fucking time." It's not that great to let them sit idle for almost a year at a time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50018541)



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Date: July 23rd, 2026 10:52 AM
Author: vibrant macaca

I guess "a long fucking time" is quite a vague phrase. However, I also said that it would be a $2k outlay and that I expect it to average out to roughly $200/year. So, I guess for the benefit of autistic and/or low IQ poasters, I should explicitly state that I expect these ACs to last roughly 10 years.

"It's not that great to let them sit idle for almost a year at a time."

Every AC north of the Mason-Dixon line is idle for 9 months a year to no particular ill effect.

To further flesh out my thoughts on portable AC longevity, I do think that my projected usage of 9 months idle + 3 months of very intermittent usage should result in many more years of service vs. the median use case of sitting for 9 months + being ran hard for 3 months.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50018966)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 7:26 PM
Author: carmine state

these houses tend to be owned by rich people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015280)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 9:12 PM
Author: jet-lagged turquoise kitchen

would love an autistic richmo to break down the upkeep costs on a house like this.

how much is the gardener/landscaper alone, just for upkeep... not even counting projects like improving landscaping?

how much does a cleaning lady cost weekly just to dust a fucking huge house like this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015554)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 7:26 PM
Author: adventurous tattoo twinkling uncleanness

This is basically the type of place that random middle class people live in in Films.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015282)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 7:27 PM
Author: Sickened affirmative action



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015285)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 7:27 PM
Author: flickering brindle fortuitous meteor

10M and ur not even on the water? Fuck that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015286)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 12:14 AM
Author: beady-eyed flushed office

tcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015998)



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Date: July 21st, 2026 9:10 PM
Author: Contagious Red Hall

The elevated lawn reminds me the old Xzibit memes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50015548)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 12:16 AM
Author: cowardly rehab mediation

nice house but I don't see the point of spending ten million to vacation for two weeks a year, I'm sure you can rent something just as nice for like 100k

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016002)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: Provocative Ruby Den Brethren

needs Japanese toilets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016005)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 12:24 AM
Author: Spectacular yapping police squad factory reset button

Amerikkkans just go around with dirty assholes all day, fyi.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016015)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 9:09 AM
Author: shaky set doctorate

I don’t. Installed one in my condo. They’re not that expensive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016413)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 12:24 AM
Author: Passionate Snowy Box Office

the Bush compound nearby is the most prestigious and badass property I have ever seen anywhere in my life. just epic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016016)



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Date: July 23rd, 2026 7:03 PM
Author: beady-eyed flushed office

They're not going to hang out with you just because you bought that house.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50020294)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 9:32 AM
Author: mind-boggling partner

that wine cellar in the basement looks chintzy. like they just bought some ikea wine racks and put them in a closet. a house that big/expensive should have one of them hidden wine tavern rooms like something nutella would design.

basement in general looks like shit and you have to cross a road to get to the water. a $10M house in fucking Maine should have a deep water dock directly off the back yard

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016431)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 9:41 AM
Author: Silver Vivacious Telephone

Wife wouldn't let her husband have a true sportscuck mancave, and he had to settle for this gay basement wine/bar room

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016439)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 9:59 AM
Author: Swashbuckling salmon puppy depressive

This whole thing is a Disaster and should be Leveled. Premium pricing with McMansion vibes (gargantuan and tacky), an underwhelming pool, front-facing garage, and a view of the municipal harbor (lmao). I’m curious who would be stupid enough to buy this garish TTT shitpile.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016463)



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Date: July 23rd, 2026 12:58 AM
Author: Floppy prole

According to them, the garage is on the rear of the house. The front is the circle drive side of the house - the one facing the marina.

Not sure I buy it. Seems like a Blasey Ford 'two front doors' sort of situation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50018533)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 10:03 AM
Author: razzmatazz ivory corner turdskin

Ghastly

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016475)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 10:07 AM
Author: slate nudist location

Give me 1/3 of the home but put it actually on the water with a nice view of the water.

Can't imagine spending $10m to have a shitty view of some shallows.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016484)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 10:08 AM
Author: Twinkling space

Oafish

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016487)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 1:13 PM
Author: mind-boggling partner

the lack of multiple unusable hot tubs is very troubling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016922)



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Date: July 22nd, 2026 10:13 AM
Author: Big sienna center

I forsee a price cut

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50016492)



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Date: July 23rd, 2026 12:46 AM
Author: Floppy prole

There's over an acre sitting there basically empty.

Obviously I have no clue how much they will let you subdivide. But I do think subdividing was part of the long term plan on this. I think that's why they crammed the pool in where they did - leaves more space to carve off.

IMO the time is right to ring the register on that. The asking price might not be as far off from reality as people ITT are thinking.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50018529)



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Date: July 23rd, 2026 11:52 AM
Author: flickering brindle fortuitous meteor

I think your daddy is gonna end up selling for under 8 mil bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50019052)



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Date: July 23rd, 2026 7:03 PM
Author: beady-eyed flushed office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50020290)



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Date: July 23rd, 2026 8:11 PM
Author: Floppy prole

A cursory AI search indicates to me that zoning is either half acre min or 1 acre min. IMO this absolutely goes for over $8m if the zoning is half acre minimum. I concede there's a small chance this goes under $8m if it's 1 acre minimum, but I don't think it should given what else is listed in town in the $5m range.

I think you guys are being far too hard on the location. Sure, it's not on water. But you can walk to your boat, you can walk to a bunch of restaurants. People pay up for that sort of thing.

There's a reason why 4500sqft a few miles outside of Aspen is $4m, while something 1/4 the size but right in Aspen is $6m.

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/679-Brush-Creek-Rd_Aspen_CO_81611_M19352-69204

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/735-W-Bleeker-St_Aspen_CO_81611_M16228-95924

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5884754&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50020452)



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Date: July 23rd, 2026 12:20 PM
Author: Topaz Infuriating Forum

Glanced at the listing photos. Surprised that a few people think this house is old. There may be an original core somewhere, but 99% of what you see is so heavily renovated to the point you can't call it an old house. I spotted an older staircase that's the only clue to an earlier history. The rest is standard 1990s to present cheaply built and cheaply designed house.

All in all, it's not outright tacky but there's enough major design and material flaws that genuine money would laugh at this house, or do another major renovation. If you've been in the real money houses, you'd understand why the finishes fall badly short. And yet it's asking real money prices. With a $10M budget you likely can do much better.

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Date: July 23rd, 2026 9:00 PM
Author: Floppy prole

I mentioned that it was old because if you didn't know it was old you would likely assume that this was something completely idiotic built from the ground up in the 90s.

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Date: July 23rd, 2026 12:22 PM
Author: bistre talented home

its sandwiched between two roads with a public marina within smelling distance. not even close to worth it.

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