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I cannot accept a chick with even 1 tattoo it's too much for me personally
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:00 PM Author: Light public bath it's completely horrifying to the point of causing nightmares (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043711) |
Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:01 PM Author: turquoise dashing main people indian lodge Ditto (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043712) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:51 PM Author: supple fuchsia shrine dingle berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045529) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:01 PM Author: Electric Opaque Heaven i want one of those with the full sleeve but they wear a dress anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043714) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:09 PM Author: Light public bath if you're gonna do "tats" as a Hot Chick, my advice is you have to go all in. You need to fully commit to the shtick of being an unrepentant goth baddie. Full sleeve at a minimum but also boob job, nipple piercings, black lipstick black hair and wear quasi lingerie in public, full art back piece. My historical example of an 'upscale goth baddie' is someone like Kat von D.
If you're gonna make your body art, you better be A) hot as fuck, and B) classy/intricate/interesting/creative. And you better be into FFM threesomes. Absolutely no point in acquiring a BPD goth baddie tatslut who refuses to do this. You bought the ticket, take the ride.
That's all I have to say. Do it once, do it right, or don't do it at all. But all of the random doodlers out there make me sick. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:10 PM Author: Electric Opaque Heaven i want one of those with the full sleeve but they wear a dress anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043727) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:13 PM Author: Light public bath those are always disgusting af/crazy. That's some real Madonna/whore complex shit. "I'm a batshit insane glory hole slut, but I'm 'trad' now!"
This is really some reformed pornstar who got married to a beta shit. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:21 PM Author: Electric Opaque Heaven uhnng (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043761) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:11 PM Author: House-broken University What if it's on her wrist and is just the number 11? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043731) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:13 PM Author: Slimy zombie-like sandwich I don't get the porn chicks who keep getting more and more tattoos. I have to imagine that decreases their rates like crazy.
Any chick who looks like the girl next door is getting 50x the views. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:15 PM Author: Light public bath A lot of the smart ones stop or slow down or reverse course. Riley Reid I think had the one on her spine but never added iirc? Molly Little had the retarded mushroom between her tas but I think she tried to get it laser removed. Emma Hix got some laser removed iirc. Not sure about the others. Who all got MOAR tats? Sometimes they get ultra tatted out once they get FAT. Something about getting FAT makes them want to get tats. I'm blanking on the name but one porn ho got preggers > fat > tats in that order. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043744) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:18 PM Author: Milky Know-it-all Hall Scourge Upon The Earth they're probably gay and not even interested in you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043753) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:18 PM Author: deranged knife What about a chick with a penis? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043754) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:21 PM Author: Wonderful tanning salon A what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043759) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:21 PM Author: deranged knife A penis. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043763) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:24 PM Author: Wonderful tanning salon There is no such thing as a woman with a penis (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043768) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:41 PM Author: Light public bath (guy who's never enjoyed a CLEAN ENERGY RELEASE in his rectum) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043806) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 11:37 PM Author: deranged knife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043962) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 11:38 PM Author: Medicated transparent library hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043965) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 7:11 PM Author: Wonderful tanning salon That's a pretty big leap in logic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045571) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:55 PM Author: Soul-stirring pisswyrm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043835) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:22 PM Author: unhinged walnut brethren i hate this fucking planet so much just a nonstop horrow show
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:23 PM Author: galvanic dilemma pervert Rate this azn chick: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DbG_EYJyf2H/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:24 PM Author: Well-lubricated stimulating windowlicker “Modernity is 180” / 10 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043767) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:36 PM Author: galvanic dilemma pervert This one’s funny and sad: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DaiXFYph85y/?igsh=NTc4MTIwNjQ2YQ== |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:45 PM Author: Light public bath I don't even like consider nons human beings let alone notice them. They're barnyard animals afaik. That's like saying rate this donkey that lives in my barn. Uh okay? it's non human (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043811) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 11:46 PM Author: galvanic dilemma pervert Ok pretend you are a Yakuza boss and then rate her (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043983) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 11:57 PM Author: Light public bath She ruv me rongtime ig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043996) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:43 PM Author: yapping bonkers blood rage it doesn't matter that chicks fuck up their bodies with tats
there are guys who like women with tattoos
there are always guys who will still take any woman
there are always simps willing to stoop as low as you can possibly imagine, and even beyond that
women will never actually face any real consequences for their actions, ever |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:47 PM Author: Light public bath right but don't you think there's a real bifurcation in society? there's a Thunderdome path and then there's walking the line. There's outsized rewards for clean cut white chicks who don't trash themselves. You're taking your lottery ticket and ripping it up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043815) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:50 PM Author: yapping bonkers blood rage it doesn't matter
women who get tats were never in that category to begin with
there are very very few high class women irl who have tats |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 11:31 PM Author: Light public bath Is it a status game for second tier broads? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043948) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:52 PM Author: costumed stage psychic We are a nation of irredeemable simps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043828) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 10:51 PM Author: costumed stage psychic I don't think you need to add personally, after you said for me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043823) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 11:51 PM Author: galvanic dilemma pervert https://ibb.co/BVgBM6k3 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043992) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 11:57 PM Author: Light public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043997) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 12:01 AM Author: yapping bonkers blood rage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50044001) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:47 PM Author: Vivacious stain garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045516) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:51 PM Author: supple fuchsia shrine dingle berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045530) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 8:00 PM Author: splenetic famous landscape painting orchestra pit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045725) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 8:04 PM Author: black stirring alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045733) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 9:09 PM Author: contagious idiotic gunner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045900) |
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Date: August 5th, 2026 8:40 PM Author: black stirring alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50048166) |
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Date: August 5th, 2026 8:59 PM Author: cerebral filthy location (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50048243) |
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Date: August 7th, 2026 1:44 PM Author: sinister therapy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50051706) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2026 11:58 PM Author: Learning disabled haunting range Women getting them is one of the genuine mysteries of life to me. And not in a good way. Just another sign of the decline of the white race- only gangsters get them in Japan. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50043998) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 12:00 AM Author: Light public bath Do you think Hitler did anything wrong? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50044000) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 12:01 AM Author: Learning disabled haunting range Not a fan of child murderers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50044003) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 12:22 AM Author: Light public bath How many kids did he really kill? Weren't they mostly grown up fags like Ernst Röhm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50044019) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:33 PM Author: aphrodisiac home I don't like them, but it affords a discount my SMV account can more readily bear. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045466) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:40 PM Author: Light public bath NO KIRBY NO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045492) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 7:26 PM Author: aphrodisiac home Reality, man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045603) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:36 PM Author: low-t cocky church (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045473) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:42 PM Author: high-end gaming laptop mad-dog skullcap They're slave markings and while I appreciate them at a distance as an anthropological curiosity I find them abhorrent and also against one of the more pressing edicts of the book (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045496) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:43 PM Author: Light public bath Describe how they are slave markings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045497) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:44 PM Author: high-end gaming laptop mad-dog skullcap I'm jewish and from compassion would rather not as it is a dismal topic and a very testy one at that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045503) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:46 PM Author: unhinged walnut brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045513) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:53 PM Author: high-end gaming laptop mad-dog skullcap I have no tattoos and have a fairly moderate interpretation of the topic that doesn't extend to e.g. brands or labels on garments (the garment is costume; removable; low "weight") but the permanent marking on the skin is to be abhorred as a mixture of idolatry and "unclean"-type fornication with the moral substance of the earth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045535) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:57 PM Author: unhinged walnut brethren i want to buy laser tattoo removal devices and market them to secular jewish communites of dumb Jap bitches as mitzvahs and modern commodified judeo partial and plenary indulgences (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045547) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 7:07 PM Author: high-end gaming laptop mad-dog skullcap There is scarcely ever any allowable cultural or spiritual reason for a practicing jew to have or tolerate the tattoo on their body or the body member of a permitting family member. Some minor pittance can be spared for appropriate memento mori type remembrances of a close deceased, even if it doesn't align with my own beliefs on correct mourning, but the vast majority of the markings incurred on surveyed persons are of a frivolous and thoughtless nature I have mixed feelings on things like e.g. traditional Polynesian, African, Slavic, Celtic, etc markings and think that the substance of the matter is in the contextual genesis of the tattoo item and can go either way morally to an acceptable level of scrutiny when looked at case by case. |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 7:09 PM Author: unhinged walnut brethren theyre all gross and demonic outside of military or criminal syndicate purposes
its prob at least 30+ dicks per tattoo on a hole
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Date: August 4th, 2026 7:46 PM Author: high-end gaming laptop mad-dog skullcap That's also demonic tbh but with the soldier it is allowed as soldiers traditionally receive some exception due to the difficulty of the work and as for criminals it is correct labeling of caste, profession, and path A standing and professional army should have standards that lean towards the casual (read a bit from a Leavenworth papers type aggregate the other day and it seems like the Korean war-McNamara era hygiene and dress standards actually lowered combat readiness and produced a lot of friction between COs and the enlisted) but still qualify overall as "clean" ime In Comrade jafar's Maoist utopia the military will be part of the vanguard of public morality with an entire transitional set of "chill" PR roles for soldiers leaving active service and tattoos for enlisted will be either prohibited or limited to certain design styles with slight alterations permitted as per Central Committee style guidelines https://youtu.be/hehD3ealCpA?si=-dspFReRqD2Ykge8 |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:46 PM Author: Light public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045514) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 6:55 PM Author: lake fragrant forum I cannot accept a chick
ftfy |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 7:28 PM Author: mahogany mentally impaired sweet tailpipe my wife has a small bikini line tattoo from when she was 18 and when I see it all I can think about is all the dudes before me who busted on it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045608) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 7:42 PM Author: Wonderful tanning salon Any thoughts about the scumbag tattoo artist who got to see & touch her at that age? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045656) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 7:54 PM Author: Light public bath counsel proceed with the witness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045710) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 8:01 PM Author: Wonderful tanning salon Do you think he just let her roll her shorts down a little bit?
Or do you think he made her take them off? |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 8:13 PM Author: Light public bath I'm really relying on this individual's personal professionalism but my gut instinct says he probably just told her to roll them down a bit. Minimally invasive. Fair pushback (of her shorts). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045752) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 8:58 PM Author: mahogany mentally impaired sweet tailpipe it’s low enough that he definitely saw bush (or where the bush would be on her cleanly shaven teenage pussy) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045869) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 9:03 PM Author: Light public bath Thank you, Senator (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045883) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 8:02 PM Author: marvelous garnet tank love tattoos on women (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045729) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 8:13 PM Author: Light public bath are you suffering from psychosis? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045753) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 8:55 PM Author: marvelous garnet tank I’m prole (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045863) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 9:04 PM Author: Light public bath Even worse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045884) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 8:21 PM Author: Adventurous nubile school Years ago, I was on a date with a beautiful sweet young lady who was in 2nd year med school and wanted to be a pediatrician. She was tall and blond, and played piano, and volunteered at her local food bank. We were at a fancy restaurant on our 2nd date when I noticed she was wearing a sexy thin gold ankle bracelet, and while I was admiring her long tanned legs, I suddenly noticed a tiny heart tattoo on her ankle. Needless to say, there was no 3rd date. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045780) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 8:22 PM Author: Light public bath Good man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045784) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 8:23 PM Author: splenetic famous landscape painting orchestra pit BASED (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045787) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 9:05 PM Author: contagious idiotic gunner i'm with you, brother. it obviously disqualifies the vast majority of modern women (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045889) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 9:08 PM Author: Light public bath I'm convinced these women don't want us to have nice things. In fact it's a huge flex. It's like saying you should be getting me for a discount based on performance but you're gonna pay full price. It's hugely cucking for the guy. It's a massive downgrade. But paypigs gonna paypig. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045898) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 9:12 PM Author: contagious idiotic gunner To me it just feels like an antisocial population level effort, to pit the sexes against each other, and prevent healthy mating and civilization (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045904) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 9:15 PM Author: Light public bath It's definitely antisocial anticivilizational. But I think at the root it's about women wanting to deprive men of beauty and enjoyment in life. They're taking away the one thing we actually need from them that they control and we can't get without them. They mar their looks to say you will still grovel for this. They realize we don't need them to hear about their day or for stock tips or life advice. But we need their beauty for a complete and fulfilled life. A tattoo says you're not getting it. You'll accept less. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045911) |
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Date: August 5th, 2026 8:36 PM Author: contagious idiotic gunner I disagree with you, I think women are innocent dupes in all of this. They think it was demonstrate their individuality, and lead people to respect them for being independent and strong and unique and creative. And a little rebellious! I don't think they have any idea at all how widespread it is that men dislike them - or would not marry a woman over having one. No idea, not even close (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50048136) |
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Date: August 5th, 2026 9:06 PM Author: Light public bath There is zero chance they know or care. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50048272) |
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Date: August 6th, 2026 5:11 AM Author: unhinged walnut brethren (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50048673) |
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Date: August 6th, 2026 5:10 AM Author: unhinged walnut brethren Whoa CR Friend! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50048672) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 9:10 PM Author: razzmatazz turdskin piazza a tattoo is a woman's declaration to the world that she is a whore (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045901) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 9:12 PM Author: Light public bath It's far worse than that. It's her declaration that she doesn't want you to have truth or beauty in your life because she knows your bitch ass will accept less. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50045906) |
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Date: August 4th, 2026 10:48 PM Author: razzmatazz turdskin piazza no i think mine was right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50046118) |
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Date: August 6th, 2026 5:11 AM Author: unhinged walnut brethren ur both right and no woman even knows herself (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50048674) |
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Date: August 5th, 2026 9:06 PM Author: Comical yarmulke casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5889266&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310909#50048271) |
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Date: August 7th, 2026 10:00 AM Author: Domesticated hairraiser base who cares
this is like a 2017 conversation imo. move on |