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Date: September 30th, 2024 2:59 PM Author: zis
go look at "rabbi" "shmuley"s X account. it's hard to believe he isn't a psyop, and i think he might be. he's like very crude antisemitic trope in one ugly person. he literally looks like that hand-wringing cartoon jew caricature. his account is video after video of him following people around on the street yelling at them, after they allegedly said something anti-semitic to him (that part is never on the video, though, weird case).
he is doing wonders for based JQ types
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:08 PM Author: gtt (gunneratttt)
i've always been an anti-zionist. but i never really cared that much beyond not giving israel endless aid and that they should stand on their own two feet. israel's conflicts with it's neighbors didn't seem that different from all the west's conflict with natives they stole land from, and since we're not going to turn the clock back to 1945 any more than we're going to turn it back to 1492 and give america back to the indians, my thoughts were pretty much "the people living in the middle east can work out who owns the land, just like everywhere else."
10/7 and since really exposed how vile and bloodthirsty they are. this isn't two groups of people trying to figure out how to live where they were born and get along. it's about jews oppressing and eradicating their neighbors and expanding endlessly while kvetching the entire time about how they're the victims.
i still don't think i'd intervene on behalf of the muslims but does the US have to back them and give them endless money to do apartheid in perpetuity?
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:59 PM Author: gtt (gunneratttt)
and it's how they feel that this justifies any response at all that really hammers home how ghoulish they are.
let's say that israel are the good guys and were trying to work with palestinians in good faith. how does the actions of who they themselves describe as a terrorist group justify obliterating everyone? it would be like if we nuked charlottesville because of the "domestic terrorists" there.
any and all criticism of their operations is met with accusations of "antisemite!" and "oh, so israel CAN'T DEFEND ITSELF?" there is literally nothing sealclubber and CGM types will not defend. they are completely allergic to arguing in good faith. 10/7 happened therefore no amount of brutalism is off the table. it's bloodthirsty retaliation against people who most had no involvement in hamas.
and when you point this out you just get met with scoffs and derision. i kind of want israel to exist and chill out because i don't see a plausible way israel disappears without the us getting involved in huge conflict. but they refuse consider whether criticism of their brutality is anything but antisemetic apologism.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:32 PM Author: gtt (gunneratttt)
twitter is mainstream. that's what i'm talking about -- it hurts your own cause.
you can argue the objective facts about what israel is doing without adding "and btw all jews are like that." i'm not a pollyanna and i know that stereotypes are broadly true. but at the same time i realize that there are always exceptions and regardless any identity based policy is repugnant to most people and therefore engaging in it is self-defeating if your goal is to actually move the needle.
i'd rather say "we should punish violent crime" without handicapping myself by adding "which is committed 10x more frequently by niggers."
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:40 PM Author: Reverend Right
haha yeah i still don't think you get these people. the only language they understand is force, whether it's verbal or physical. they didn't get kicked out of everywhere they've ever been because people took the high road with them and they understood that as broadly good and noble.
what you're arguing for inevitably leads to kikes subverting the "good jews" and destroying any momentum you might create.
i'm telling you, we have experience and we have history. this time will not be any different than it's ever been.
that said, of course any language that suggests "all jews are like that" isn't good language but that's because it's dumb and untrue, not because it's offensive.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 7:03 PM Author: Reverend Right
except i'm arguing against saying "all jews are like that."
he is arguing that islam is based on the tenets of terrorism and pedophilia, which is verifiably untrue, while i'm not making any such claims about judaism, i'm saying that kikes (not jews) should be called kikes when they are being kikes in limited circumstances (online communities, etc.), but that "all jews are kikes" should not be the mainstream position. this is based on an understanding of these people that i think you lack.
i'd advise you also keep our relative vantage points in mind. he is arguing from a position of strength, as israel murders people by the thousands, and his argument is that we're all bad. i'm arguing from a position of weakness, and my argument is that the bad ones should be identified as such and isolated to the fringes where they belong so that adults can have a chance to reframe the debate. and you're saying we're just as morally repugnant as they are? lol c'mon man
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Date: September 30th, 2024 4:09 PM
Author: .,.,.;;,;.,..,:,,:,;.,:::,..;.,:,.,..:.,,.:.,:.::,
what do you propose they should say in response to what is going on
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:19 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.. ( )
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F9G_aKyXgAArexq?format=jpg&name=medium
Look at how tiny Israel is compared to the land controlled by the Musbros. Really hard to believe that controlling yet more land is going to do it. What's more, Palestinians were offered a two state solution and rejected it. There demand is for everything and the extermination of every Jew on the planet. So Israel's options are war or to submit to being genocided by Muslims.
The war is 100% the fault of musbros. Not 90%. Not 99.9%. Not 99.999999%. We need to get to the point where muslims love their children more than they love murder. 13 centuries into the history of islam, we're still not there.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:33 PM Author: gtt (gunneratttt)
"israel needs to accept that they bare some responsibility for the conflict and work in good faith to resolving it."
"israel is 100% right. as evidence of this, check out this map that shows that everyone is the region is against israel. we're outnumbered and surrounded! don't, uh, look at casualities or anything like that though haha. look how big sudan is! scary!!"
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thank you for rushing in to prove my point that zionists are the ones being unreasonable and are COMPLETELY INCAPABLE of recognizing they are anything but 100% a victim.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 5:36 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.. ( )
Bro, Israel would be happy to stay within its territory-- musbros refuse they attack. Israel would be happy to give Palestine a state. They refuse and attack. What the fuck are you supposed to do when you're surrounded by berserker predators? The Islamic world has waged near non-stop genocide against the civilized world for the past thirteen centuries. The common element here is the musbros, not the jews hth.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:11 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.. ( )
"also ljl at trying to use the history of muslims to demonize them today. jews have been excluded and expelled for thousands of years. do you really want to rely on how jews were perceived by our ancestors to judge jews today?
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No, I want to rely on what muslims actually did. The twin pillars of the islamic faith are genocide and pedophilia. It's hardly shocking that they're continuing to engage in both to this very day. The islamic death cult divides the entire planet into two "houses": Area that has been conquered by islam, and area that will be conquered by islam. Israel just happens to be geographically convenient and hence is the target of nearly all the unprovoked islamic aggression.
"they continue to take land from palestinians. we've seen the conditions they've been forced to live in before 10/7. and we've seen how israel has retaliated since. instead of trying to defend it, you're just going to say "no, it isn't happening!""
This is all a lie. Israel voluntarily withdrew from Gaza, gave Palestinians control, and even donated food/water/electricity/fuel/medicine. This extreme charity was repaid with October 7. The islamic faith is completely structured around murder; it doesn't matter how "nice" you try to be. It's just impossible to make peace with a death cult. To the extent conditions are bad in musbro land, it's because islam is a miserable religion that makes everybody miserable, even its own adherents. The musbro world is welcome to renounce islam and join the civilized world at any time, they just refuse to do so.
By far the biggest challenge of the modern world is islam. You can have civilization or you can have islam, but you cannot have both.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:37 PM
Author: .,.,..,,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.. ( )
"so your argument that you're not a genocidal lunatic is saying muslims must renounce islam or being destroyed in their homes?"
No-- my "argument" is the observation muslims engage in conquest and war as a matter of course. Which is natural; their religion commands them to conquer the entire world. Blaming jews for being the victim of muslim aggression is crazy. It's obviously the case that either islam will prevail over civilization or civilization will prevail over islam; islamic ideology does not allow them to stay in their own musbro land, they have to conquer. So saying " idc that they have different values than me so long as they stay in musbro land" is a contradiction in terms; if you are not a musbro, they are planning to kill you. Your advocacy on behalf of musbros will do you no good, they'll just behead you last.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:52 PM Author: gtt (gunneratttt)
you sound just like the ukrainecucks telling me putin is heading to poland. this victim complex must be built into your dna. i've never seen the muslim world try to invade the west. when turkey starts amassing troops i'll reconsider my position.
the west bank and gaza is almost entirely muslim. i'm not buying the argument that israel settling these areas and keeping the muslims there under apartheid conditions is "defensive." it's clearly not.
israel has enjoyed nearly 100 years of endless support from the west. a nation that cannot protect itself has no right to exist. if you want to hold onto your patch of sand surrounded by musbros that's your choice. there is no reason for us to continue putting dollars and lives into the thresher. especially when you just lie about what you're doing.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:22 PM
Author: .,.,.;;,;.,..,:,,:,;.,:::,..;.,:,.,..:.,,.:.,:.::,
this is reddit tier trash and none of this really matters. anyone with a >90iq and understanding of history and political discourse will recognize that this will just devolve back into pointing the finger for past afflictions - "jews did X to cause this" "but arabs did Y" going back a few thousand years. litigating the moral foundations of either side on xo is going to get just about as far as it gets anywhere else. and it's all a proxy war for the interest of higher powers anyways, the palestinians are being treated as cannon fodder and the moral debates are just a front for actual powerful people pursuing geopolitical objectives.
as far as the morals go, the entire premise of war is that neither side believes there is good faith on the other. saying that the solution is for one side to revert to some perceived "good faith" orientation is just to ignore the discourse. both sides have real grievances on their faces and do not want to lay down before the blood spilled by their kin. the moral differences are intractable and are not the point in any case, the moral arguments are merely a rhetorical tool, into which you've been pulled.
all that really matters is that arabs want a plot of land that another population resides in, that population does not want to give it up, and another power (iran) sees the former as a good proxy to start shit with to pursue its own objectives. saying that either side should acknowledge wrongdoing is suggesting that they should break the participatory moral theater, which they won't, they'll just keep pressuring each other until the calculated risks no longer make sense.
honestly the best thing for everyone in the short term would be for trump to win and tell everyone involved to cut this shit out or else. pussy ass biden / kamala don't have that power.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 6:06 PM Author: gtt (gunneratttt)
you're talking to the resident thoughtful moderate and even itt i'm making a distinction between zionists and all jews. i've got a bunch of jew friends that are pro-palestine.
but sure go ahead and double down on me criticizing you for being glib and bloodthirsty by rebutting "lol the jews are playing nice with these monkeys."
every interaction i have with people like you is like this. you just come right out to demonstrate what i'm saying. it really is almost like a psyop. maybe tbf is behind TDNW, sealclubber, etc. you're cartoonishly evil and stupid.
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Date: September 30th, 2024 7:26 PM Author: gtt (gunneratttt)
they went pretty mask off for a minute after 10/7. just look at how they reacted to university protests.
since then they've collected themselves. they are really good at appearing thoughtful and reasonable as they advocate for brutal suppression of things against their self-interest.
i'm glad the xo jews are here because it's a nice little window into what's really going on in their minds when they say "oh i see your point but you know israel is our only ally in the region, are beset upon all sides, and have a right to defend themselves!" irl.
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