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Happy wife = lay the pipe

Been married a long time and best advice I can give. Women a...
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  04/18/25
sounds like Dad gave you some good advice
fishy stirring hominid
  04/18/25
Tough lot but the alternative is always so much worse.
Aphrodisiac bearded internal respiration
  04/18/25
Cr.
histrionic tattoo location
  04/18/25
7.5 minutes of heaven tp
Exhilarant Free-loading Address
  04/18/25
My wife definitely lays the pipe on my anus
disrespectful khaki jap
  04/18/25
anal sex is gross any way you approach it. Assholes are fill...
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  04/18/25
Put her in an auschwitz style shower room but instead of zyk...
Know-it-all House Dingle Berry
  08/17/26
how to psyche yourself up if shes fat and only wears sweatpa...
unholy galvanic hell
  04/18/25
Lay the pipe and she won’t be.
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  04/18/25
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A Joyless Profession
  09/20/26
I don't think you're supposed to put the whole ballsack in t...
pink spectacular principal's office
  04/18/25
It’s just gravity. Try getting laid sometime and you&r...
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  04/18/25
(ballsack dipper)
pink spectacular principal's office
  04/18/25
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Twisted National Kitty
  04/18/25
...
Crimson Half-breed Lay
  08/17/26
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Blue aromatic yarmulke space
  08/17/26
Okay, i lol’d
Medicated Shrine Really Tough Guy
  04/18/25
all you have to do is grovel and beg and then your wife (who...
duck-like legend karate
  04/18/25
clearly you don’t lay the pipe
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  04/18/25
who's a good boy?!
duck-like legend karate
  04/18/25
yeah i can last 7.5 minutes too (xo pumo
Twisted National Kitty
  04/18/25
It’s your wife not a tinder date you spent 3 hours wit...
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  04/18/25
yea cuz in the first instance you actually have leverage ...
duck-like legend karate
  04/18/25
everyone who poasts here is fucked up. You seem to immediate...
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  04/18/25
if youre so desperate to give someone half your money you ca...
duck-like legend karate
  04/18/25
I paid her to have my kids and not Tyquan's kids. How man...
Snowy sweet tailpipe
  04/18/25
jfc goys
duck-like legend karate
  04/18/25
what? married over 15 years. i can’t full on FODIP ins...
Twisted National Kitty
  04/18/25
wtf is fodip?
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  04/18/25
Guessing "full on dick inside pussy" but would lik...
Walnut Spot Gay Wizard
  04/18/25
tcr guess except “in” instead of inside (shorter...
Twisted National Kitty
  04/18/25
Ty friend
Walnut Spot Gay Wizard
  04/18/25
...
stubborn olive codepig mediation
  08/17/26
...
stubborn olive codepig mediation
  08/17/26
Women don't want to have sex with their husbands iirc
Transparent Odious Crackhouse
  04/18/25
they do when you properly lay the pipe. also being tall and ...
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  04/18/25
Well she knew the height and hair situation when she married...
Transparent Odious Crackhouse
  04/18/25
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Sexy pale nowag
  04/18/25
after paying her half your $ first, dont forget that part. p...
duck-like legend karate
  04/18/25
In my case, she’s a sahm but her family has way more $...
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  04/18/25
...
Blue aromatic yarmulke space
  08/17/26
Then the novelty wears off after the 5th time.
Electric factory reset button
  04/18/25
I'm disgusted and hope there are no children on this forum t...
Walnut Spot Gay Wizard
  04/18/25
thank for that thoughtful and considerate insight, fucking f...
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  04/19/25
did this again this morning. big shock now she is in a cheer...
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  04/22/25
this happened again this morning. wife is in a good mood. ...
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  05/05/25
I actually have this as a constant and immediate issue.
Aphrodisiac bearded internal respiration
  05/05/25
wife is in a good mood again. Odd case.
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  05/06/25
confirmed twice this weekend that this clearly works. got t...
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  08/17/26
...
stubborn olive codepig mediation
  08/17/26
op is cucumbers cosplaying as a "straight family man&qu...
pink spectacular principal's office
  08/17/26
ur dumb
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  08/17/26
(ballsack dipper)
pink spectacular principal's office
  08/17/26
idk wtf that even means
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  08/17/26
it's not very hard to figure out
pink spectacular principal's office
  08/17/26
like nuts in pussy? that sounds unpleasant
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  08/17/26
I agree, your wife seems happy after I lay the pipe. Advice ...
hairless headpube
  08/17/26
I assumed you were gay? who the fuck buys a house in rural ...
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  08/17/26
What can I say, I'm a trailblazer (incidentally that's what ...
hairless headpube
  08/17/26
...
hairraiser coldplay fan
  08/17/26
women refuse to have sex with their husbands ime
Transparent Odious Crackhouse
  08/17/26
You just aren’t hitting it right
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  08/17/26
i'm not hitting it at all
Transparent Odious Crackhouse
  08/17/26
7.5 minutes of wife sex at a time is craaaaazy
Exhilarant Free-loading Address
  08/17/26
it's for her benefit. good to be polite like that.
arrogant native twinkling uncleanness
  08/17/26
Patrick Clancy should have taken this advice. His kids would...
tight butthold
  09/20/26
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tight butthold
  09/22/26


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Date: April 18th, 2025 8:02 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

Been married a long time and best advice I can give. Women are women and want to be treated as such. Nothing better than having her sigh and groan while taking her panties off then 7.5 minutes later your balls are soaked because she came so much and then she smiles all day and makes you French toast and shit like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48859961)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 10:03 AM
Author: fishy stirring hominid

sounds like Dad gave you some good advice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860191)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 8:19 AM
Author: Aphrodisiac bearded internal respiration

Tough lot but the alternative is always so much worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48859990)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 8:25 AM
Author: histrionic tattoo location

Cr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860004)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: Exhilarant Free-loading Address

7.5 minutes of heaven tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860023)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 8:48 AM
Author: disrespectful khaki jap

My wife definitely lays the pipe on my anus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860030)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 9:22 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

anal sex is gross any way you approach it. Assholes are filled with shit no matter what you do to mask this fact

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860097)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:07 AM
Author: Know-it-all House Dingle Berry

Put her in an auschwitz style shower room but instead of zyklon b it’s poo-pourri coming out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50072855)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 9:25 AM
Author: unholy galvanic hell

how to psyche yourself up if shes fat and only wears sweatpants? discuss.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860105)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 9:34 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

Lay the pipe and she won’t be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860121)



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Date: September 20th, 2026 8:13 PM
Author: A Joyless Profession



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50146151)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 9:26 AM
Author: pink spectacular principal's office

I don't think you're supposed to put the whole ballsack in there man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860108)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 9:33 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

It’s just gravity. Try getting laid sometime and you’ll figure out the nuances

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860119)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 10:48 AM
Author: pink spectacular principal's office

(ballsack dipper)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860339)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 10:48 AM
Author: Twisted National Kitty



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860341)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 1:52 PM
Author: Crimson Half-breed Lay



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50073551)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 1:46 PM
Author: Blue aromatic yarmulke space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50073530)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 7:12 PM
Author: Medicated Shrine Really Tough Guy

Okay, i lol’d

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48861494)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 9:37 AM
Author: duck-like legend karate

all you have to do is grovel and beg and then your wife (who you paid 50% of your net worth to for regular sex) may fuck you once in awhile! (for 7.5 minutes)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860127)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 9:40 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

clearly you don’t lay the pipe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860134)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 9:42 AM
Author: duck-like legend karate

who's a good boy?!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860146)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 9:46 AM
Author: Twisted National Kitty

yeah i can last 7.5 minutes too (xo pumo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860157)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 10:08 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

It’s your wife not a tinder date you spent 3 hours with at some stupid restaurant just to get her to come back to your place. Clearly you aren’t married.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860210)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 10:11 AM
Author: duck-like legend karate

yea cuz in the first instance you actually have leverage

in yours, you gave up all of yours and didn't even get rights to sex. this is clear because you ran to reddautoadmit to brag about having sex with your old wife that you pay every expense for

some guys need to be castrated the sex market is broken

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860223)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 10:14 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

everyone who poasts here is fucked up. You seem to immediately gravitate to financial shit. Reminding your wife how you make more money than her won’t make her spend less or treat you better. Fucking her until she’s dick drunk will. I’m just giving advice itt. Another point would be don’t marry a chick you don’t want to fuck and if your a fag just embrace it but try to be normal and not the full blown queerbag stuff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860231)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 10:21 AM
Author: duck-like legend karate

if youre so desperate to give someone half your money you can give it to me, ill fuck you 7.5 minutes/year too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860245)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 10:30 AM
Author: Snowy sweet tailpipe

I paid her to have my kids and not Tyquan's kids.

How many kids will you bear for me if I pay you instead

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860267)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 10:41 AM
Author: duck-like legend karate

jfc goys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860298)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 10:41 AM
Author: Twisted National Kitty

what? married over 15 years. i can’t full on FODIP inside wife’s vageen for more than like 2 minutes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860305)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 5:18 PM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

wtf is fodip?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48861252)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 6:32 PM
Author: Walnut Spot Gay Wizard

Guessing "full on dick inside pussy" but would like to know too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48861428)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 6:41 PM
Author: Twisted National Kitty

tcr guess except “in” instead of inside (shorter)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48861446)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 8:39 PM
Author: Walnut Spot Gay Wizard

Ty friend

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48861675)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:18 AM
Author: stubborn olive codepig mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50072795)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:17 AM
Author: stubborn olive codepig mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50072794)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: Transparent Odious Crackhouse

Women don't want to have sex with their husbands iirc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860371)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 5:19 PM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

they do when you properly lay the pipe. also being tall and having Hair on your head helps.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48861256)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 5:23 PM
Author: Transparent Odious Crackhouse

Well she knew the height and hair situation when she married me, so that's on her

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48861266)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 6:38 PM
Author: Sexy pale nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48861440)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 5:29 PM
Author: duck-like legend karate

after paying her half your $ first, dont forget that part. pay to play!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48861279)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 7:11 PM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

In my case, she’s a sahm but her family has way more $ than mine. It’s not exactly a big concern.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48861490)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 1:46 PM
Author: Blue aromatic yarmulke space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50073532)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 12:34 PM
Author: Electric factory reset button

Then the novelty wears off after the 5th time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48860598)



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Date: April 18th, 2025 8:39 PM
Author: Walnut Spot Gay Wizard

I'm disgusted and hope there are no children on this forum to read this utter obscenity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48861672)



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Date: April 19th, 2025 8:11 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

thank for that thoughtful and considerate insight, fucking fuckface tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48862424)



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Date: April 22nd, 2025 12:21 PM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

did this again this morning. big shock now she is in a cheerful mood.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48870753)



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Date: May 5th, 2025 12:37 PM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

this happened again this morning. wife is in a good mood. my dick and balls were very wet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48905361)



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Date: May 5th, 2025 2:15 PM
Author: Aphrodisiac bearded internal respiration

I actually have this as a constant and immediate issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48905689)



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Date: May 6th, 2025 11:45 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

wife is in a good mood again. Odd case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#48908012)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:15 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

confirmed twice this weekend that this clearly works. got to play golf then hang out at the CC bar and have an omelet and drink beers at an inappropriately early time yesterday. shot 76.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50072789)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:18 AM
Author: stubborn olive codepig mediation



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50072796)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:18 AM
Author: pink spectacular principal's office

op is cucumbers cosplaying as a "straight family man"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50072797)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:34 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

ur dumb

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50072815)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:37 AM
Author: pink spectacular principal's office

(ballsack dipper)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50072816)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 8:47 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

idk wtf that even means

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50072830)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:02 AM
Author: pink spectacular principal's office

it's not very hard to figure out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50072849)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 10:45 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

like nuts in pussy? that sounds unpleasant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50073046)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:02 AM
Author: hairless headpube

I agree, your wife seems happy after I lay the pipe. Advice checks out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50072848)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:03 AM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

I assumed you were gay? who the fuck buys a house in rural Connecticut as a single guy otherwise?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50072851)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 9:10 AM
Author: hairless headpube

What can I say, I'm a trailblazer (incidentally that's what she said too).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50072861)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 10:50 AM
Author: hairraiser coldplay fan



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50073061)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 10:55 AM
Author: Transparent Odious Crackhouse

women refuse to have sex with their husbands ime

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50073079)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 1:50 PM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

You just aren’t hitting it right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50073545)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 3:42 PM
Author: Transparent Odious Crackhouse

i'm not hitting it at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5712825&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310915#50073862)



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Date: August 17th, 2026 1:55 PM
Author: Exhilarant Free-loading Address

7.5 minutes of wife sex at a time is craaaaazy

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Date: August 17th, 2026 2:17 PM
Author: arrogant native twinkling uncleanness

it's for her benefit. good to be polite like that.

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Date: September 20th, 2026 7:14 PM
Author: tight butthold

Patrick Clancy should have taken this advice. His kids would still be alive if he just hit it right.

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Date: September 22nd, 2026 10:03 AM
Author: tight butthold



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