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Astra on Max effort one-shotted my five-hour usage window
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Date: September 8th, 2026 4:51 PM Author: poppy wonderful circlehead It designed a website for me in one prompt and on the next prompt as soon as I hit enter it ran out of usage. Have to wait three hours to reset. Used 16% of my weekly usage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123166) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 4:54 PM Author: iridescent coffee pot Why would you ask gpt chat to make a website?
At least use the desktop app for Sites if not Codex
Jfc |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 4:56 PM Author: Umber abusive site retard here, how does using desktop app affect usage rates differntly for site building
tyia |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 12:49 AM Author: iridescent coffee pot In the chat Astra is a single agent doing every single task in order when Astra is really only needed at the beginning and end, and NOT doing a bunch of front end design grunt work that terra/luna or sonnet 4.6 is perfectly capable of
In codex the main agent will be smart enough to use dynamic workflows, orchestrate lower models and review their shit and make them fix it until Astra approves. Plus all the built in tools that are literally for coding shit like this firing automatically vs the chat having to invent novel coding solutions for every new step
And chat is just a glorified harness/wrapper for codex at the end of the day. If you ever look at its thinking for deliverable tasks 90% of it is coding shit on the fly. It's eating up usage for an unneeded layer on every prompt and MCP and tool firing |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 4:32 AM Author: Ruby Thirsty Chapel don't forget, a good amount of chatgpt reasoning is wasted trying to crawl web sites that block automated access, which limits its RAG capabilities. by contrast, codex cli can write a python script that scrapes the web site locally, from your computer and network.
chatgpt has to create the environment where the solution can be designed and validated, whereas codex already has access to it. instead of wasting usage on the testing environment, codex can spend more time actually implementing the solution using information otherwise inaccessible to chatgpt. |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 6:31 AM Author: iridescent coffee pot Codex is the Michael Jordan of web browsing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50124202) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 1:19 PM Author: Umber abusive site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50124725) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:08 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon yeah also even if you are going to use codex for a simple website why not use luna light? lol at using gpt-6 for something that takes like a 106 iq. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123198) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 4:55 PM Author: Apoplectic passionate kitchen dingle berry Just pay for the premium, brah--it resets every week instead of every 5 hours. Although you can still blow through that limit fast. I am fuarked bc I have to use it to prep for a senate hearing tomorrow and it does not reset until tomorrow COB
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Date: September 8th, 2026 9:18 PM Author: Puce contagious ladyboy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123848) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 9:21 PM Author: Exciting point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50125846) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 4:57 PM Author: odious irate national security agency casino astra medium could have made that and likely better. ultra is turbo autism mode when you need it recursively rethinking the same thing 1000 different ways like optimizing an algorithm. it writes far shittier for example (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123182) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:05 PM Author: poppy wonderful circlehead tyft. I just wanted to test it out. I still have all three usage resets. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123191) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:08 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon no need for astra for that at all. can use luna light (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123200) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:16 PM Author: odious irate national security agency casino lot's of argument on X that using astra for any typescript/python shit is a mistake. it is too good at manipulating high level interpreted languages for its in-app use cases with hardcoded shortcuts etc I'm no CS masterman but TSINAH or someone could explain perhaps.
your astra max website might be an incomprehensible TypeScript "Any" gordian knot using a single class and 1 function that handles everything. so if you want to change the color of a single asset you will need more astra max credits or risk breaking the entire thing |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:21 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon gpt is probably the best with python out of any other language. but I think it depends on your use case for whether to use astra or not. if you are doing experiment design I think you should use astra. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123220) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:29 PM Author: odious irate national security agency casino if you are writing sophisticated tensor flow, ML, etc probably use astra
if you are EPAH doing how to dilineate giant csv into ordered columns with pandas use gemini flash |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:34 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon yeah, probably still not even necessary though imo, you can set up tensor flow and pytorch training runs with pretty basic scripts. I was using o3 for that back in the day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123256) |
Date: September 8th, 2026 5:06 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon On ultra it one-shotted mine in like 11 minutes the other day, and it was full. I had to add like 100 dollars in extra credits. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123196) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:13 PM Author: poppy wonderful circlehead You know you have three resets? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123210) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:13 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon I used them all within like 5 hours of astra being released. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123211) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:18 PM Author: poppy wonderful circlehead lol. Does it reset your weekly clock? So if I use my reset now my new week starts now too? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123216) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:21 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon yeah all of the banked resets i have ever seen are both weekly and hourly reset. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123223) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:21 PM Author: Big Smoky Base Incel what does one shotted mean as in it did all your work for you or it ran out of tokens
Also whats cheapest way to use astra |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:23 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon it ran out of tokens lol. cheapest way is to put it on a lower reasoning level. it is fine on high. seems better than sol ultra on high. I was looking at the stats actually for sol, and the higher reasoning levels only give marginal improvements, it makes much less of a difference than on earlier models. and it gets much more expensive for little gain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123225) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:24 PM Author: Big Smoky Base Incel high means it runs prompt over n over vs itself right so for coding for visibility or feature if theres one objective objective its almost worthless? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123229) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:27 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon High doesn’t mean it keeps running the prompt against itself. It’s basically a larger reasoning budget for the same agent. I think you’re thinking of Ultra, which can actually delegate to additional agents and workstreams. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123234) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 12:29 AM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50124113) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:25 PM Author: poppy wonderful circlehead It actually completed the website build. I uploaded the zip to cloudfare, checked it out, looked good but the opening page was missing. So I told Astra, "You removed the opening page with the quotes, put them back," and it was all, "Oh, I'm sorry let me fix that for you," or whatever it said and then about fifteen seconds later I got the message that I was out of work credits.
I could have used the chat function to build it, that's what I used before but I wanted to see how high-end it could go so I told it to build me an incredibly high-end website, spare nothing. I like seeing what they are capable of. Everytime a new model comes out its like Christmas. |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:27 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon Don't upload it as a zip to cloudflare use github with continuous deployment. It makes it much easier to make changes. Every time you commit it to github it is connected to cloudflare and pushes the changes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123237) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:31 PM Author: odious irate national security agency casino Make AWS/Git accounts then ask codex how to give it your credentials (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123250) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:33 PM Author: Big Smoky Base Incel does AWS keep charging u even after u try shutting everything down it kept asking for policy soemthing policy this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123255) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:35 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon no. it charges you for compute when you commission a vm, but only if you leave it running. you can just press the stop button. just having the aws account doesn't charge you anything. I use some of the ai models on aws too through bedrock mantel, and just give codex my aws credentials. you can put api keys in a .env hidden folder on your computer and give aws full access. useful if you are building something or running an experiment that requires some form of gen ai, language or vision. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123258) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:53 PM Author: Big Smoky Base Incel can u link to some of your work? i cant evne imagine learning all tha thsit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123294) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 6:19 PM Author: poppy wonderful circlehead I'm not a techmo, can you explain in plain english for retards like me? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123404) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 6:22 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon you don't need aws, that's for a static site on cloudflare pages. that would be for if you were using your own vm because you had backend logic and a database. but you should hook it up to git for sure instead of pasting the zip. github is basically a remote repository for storing code and tracking all changes to it. codex is actually already designed around it and you don't even have to paste any token credentials open ai exposes a connector for it where you just authorize it through clicking a setting in the app and entering your password. then you can just push all your changes to your code every time you make them to github, there is actually a button for it on codex or you can auth codex to do it automatically. you can link this up with cloudflare so it automatically pushes it to cloudflare pages when codex makes a change. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123421) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 8:17 PM Author: poppy wonderful circlehead All I do is open Cloudfare, click on update website or whatever the button is, drag the zip over, click deploy and I'm done. Its hard for me to imagine that process being easier. What am I missing? Sorry for being retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123714) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 8:22 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon Difference is that that requires downloading a zip and uploading it and you also are not using git, so you don't have a history of changes to the code, and you can't just push or pull to github whenever, you have to make sure you have to have a copy of the code. It isn't a good practice to not use git and it isn't that hard. Plus once you set it up, every time you make a change all you have to do is push a button and push it to git hub and it will go to both github and cloudflare if you have them integrated. You can also do rollbacks that way. There is nothing inherently wrong with doing it the way you are doing it, but it is considered amateurish, plus its cumbersome if you are making a lot of changes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123729) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:35 PM Author: Vigorous center you know you can design websites with the cheapest chink-ass models? You can do SEO too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123956) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 1:07 AM Author: iridescent coffee pot You can get free account from NVIDIA to run the latest open weights with no quantization on their hardware (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50124132) |
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Date: September 14th, 2026 7:52 PM Author: https://i.imgur.com/YbMiOBE.png enjoy AssTTTra! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50135997) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:25 PM Author: Arrogant hairraiser trailer park is anyone else completely lost ITT? i have no idea what the fuck any of you are saying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123230) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:27 PM Author: poppy wonderful circlehead Just copy and paste the thread into Astra and ask it to explain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123233) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:28 PM Author: Arrogant hairraiser trailer park I gather that’s an AI but I’ve never heard of it. blows my mind how many of you pay money for a robo god (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123239) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:37 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle hissy fit address anthropic and openai both make ~$50 billion in annualized revenue rn which is about what delta and lockheed martin do. i know it's fun to be a bitchmade contrarian on xo but maybe ask why that might be the case & whether ur missing something. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123261) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 7:12 PM Author: Razzle garnet azn digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123587) |
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Date: September 13th, 2026 12:35 PM Author: Taylor Swift is not a hobby she is a lifestyle (πΊπΈ π΅π±) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50133404) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 5:29 PM Author: odious irate national security agency casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123242) |
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Date: September 14th, 2026 7:50 PM Author: Ricky *One shots his entire usage asking* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50135992) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 8:26 PM Author: misanthropic honey-headed sound barrier sweet tailpipe For some reason my resets aren’t being “consumed” so it’s kind of like having unlimited (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123742) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 8:27 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon never heard of this happening to anyone. not saying its impossible but are you sure thats whats happening? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123744) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 9:08 PM Author: misanthropic honey-headed sound barrier sweet tailpipe Yeah it’s completely unlimited no matter how much I try (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123830) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:10 PM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123920) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 1:08 PM Author: poppy wonderful circlehead I had Astra run a big task this morning so I got up and ran it at 6:50 am to start my five hour window. I had 55% left after the task finished, got to work and my 5-hour and weekly windows reset. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50124665) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 4:38 AM Author: Ruby Thirsty Chapel I seem to have the same "problem", but I've also had a pro account for a long time and have gotten early developer access to a couple models (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50124183) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 7:24 PM Author: poppy wonderful circlehead I used one of my resets today and its permanently gone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50125597) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 7:24 PM Author: poppy wonderful circlehead haha jk, its back! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50125600) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 9:09 PM Author: supple old irish cottage What kind of website? A lot of these AI websites all look the same and look like shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123834) |
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Date: September 8th, 2026 10:34 PM Author: Vigorous center I bet the website looks amazing though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50123954) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 6:44 PM Author: Umber abusive site (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50125505) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 12:39 AM Author: iridescent coffee pot For the past week I had fable 5.1 in code/chat AND codex 5.6 sol ultra independently generate and then cross-review and perform synthesis and reconciliation until they separately approved a reversioning of my PI case valuation algorithm.
Then I had Astra pro review it all with one chat prompt with copy and paste of every prior chat and the final files attached to the same prompt. It spent 3 hours reviewing and found 13 significant corrections and enhancements. Both SOL and fable insta-approved all of them. And that was a fucking CHAT session motherfuckers |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 12:41 AM Author: Soul-stirring Bespoke School Cafeteria How poor are you that you have a 5-hour limit ($20 a month plan)? I have 5 ChatGPT 20x accounts and 2 Claude 20x. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50124119) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 12:43 AM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon Why would you have 5 accounts? You can just refill credits on the account you have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50124122) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 12:46 AM Author: Soul-stirring Bespoke School Cafeteria You get around $30,000 worth of credits from each $200 account each month. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50124124) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 12:53 AM Author: Concupiscible mauve tanning salon lol its not anywhere near $30k worth. most you could use in a month as a single person would be like $6k worth. Also you get 30 percent off if you hook your credit card up to buy $1000 in credits every time you run out. I doubt having extra 200 dollar accounts is cheaper than one $200 account hooked up like that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50124127) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 3:15 AM Author: Soul-stirring Bespoke School Cafeteria (not gonna make it) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50124156) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 1:15 AM Author: iridescent coffee pot It's probably better to stack Claude 5x accounts if you're going that route
20x is really only like 1.6x the total weekly usage of 5x or something like that
It's just 4x the session limits which is prob more important to most 9-5 power users for chat/cowork |
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Date: September 13th, 2026 5:28 AM Author: chilmata Get a business account if you’re going to do that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50133166) |
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Date: September 15th, 2026 2:08 PM Author: tl When you're making $10,000 a day, a hundred bucks or two is literally nothing to help make sure your workflow doesn't get interrupted. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50136726) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 9:36 AM Author: 180 aqua office nibblets I use the plan from the local law library. You get unlimited credits but have to use it inside the law library (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50124267) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 6:36 PM Author: Ruby Thirsty Chapel daddy chatgpt, please write a program that proxies HTTP traffic through this computer and make it look like an innocuous system service (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50125492) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 8:54 PM Author: Soul-stirring Bespoke School Cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50125802) |
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Date: September 9th, 2026 6:43 PM Author: shaky abnormal jap that shit destroyed my weekly usage in like 2 hours and it felt way slower too
never using it again |
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Date: September 10th, 2026 2:45 PM Author: poppy wonderful circlehead The work tab destroys my usage even when I'm using Sol Light. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50127342) |
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Date: September 14th, 2026 7:49 PM Author: Ricky fucking gayest shit ever im cooked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50135990) |
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Date: September 15th, 2026 3:48 AM Author: chilmata You really don't need the work tab unless you are using chatgpt as your personal assistant. In that case, Astra is 180 if you have unlimited usage. I asked my bosses to upgrade me to premium and offered to pay the $80/month upgrade out of my bonuses. Still waiting . . .
But in reality, the chat tab is fine. You can run Sol on high all day long, you won't run out. |
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Date: September 12th, 2026 4:09 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,,..,.,.,.,.,..,.,, (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50132147) |
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Date: September 14th, 2026 10:53 AM Author: jew daycare this shit is painful with the 5 hour limit i cant do anything without hitting it now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50134856) |
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Date: September 14th, 2026 11:00 AM Author: https://i.imgur.com/YbMiOBE.png Asstra sucks, you're a fucking loser if you can't bring yourself to admit it at this point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50134870) |
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Date: September 15th, 2026 1:12 AM Author: Jung Jeezy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50136540) |
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Date: September 15th, 2026 2:55 AM Author: Ricky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5901660&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310918#50136562) |