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Anyone Play Expedition 33

Mind blowing story in that game
Claret elite clown potus
  06/28/25
if you mean "fucking retarded" I agree. great star...
Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge
  06/28/25
lol haha wtf bro that’s absolutely the opposite of the...
Claret elite clown potus
  06/28/25
i beat the whole game. literally nothing happens. it has the...
Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge
  09/25/25
The main tension is concluded with act2, but act3's arc is s...
erotic violent sneaky criminal
  06/28/25
I don’t spend more than like $10 on western games
ocher vibrant mexican
  06/28/25
It’s Free on Gamepass
Claret elite clown potus
  06/28/25
Gamepass isn’t free. I don’t spend more than $24...
ocher vibrant mexican
  06/28/25
I forgot you are Poor
Claret elite clown potus
  06/28/25
I have PS5. Xbox is for poor people
ocher vibrant mexican
  06/28/25
You don’t even have the Pro. Your Death Stranding 2 pu...
brass cuck
  06/28/25
I got the 229,99 Loser Edition too. I am your better.
ocher vibrant mexican
  06/28/25
The best way of doing this is to have an Xbox, have Gamepass...
Stirring fanboi
  06/30/25
You can routinely get gamepass on sale. At ~$150/year (some...
Stirring fanboi
  06/30/25
Amazing game. Square acknowledged that it needs to go back t...
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  06/28/25
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  06/28/25
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sticky dead french chef
  06/30/25
The Paintress did nothing wrong.
brass cuck
  06/30/25
what a triumph. the dodge/parry mechanic is a great way to m...
sticky dead french chef
  06/30/25
Nah, not including the minimap was a great idea. More games ...
Milky Codepig Casino
  06/30/25
yeah i get it and like the old school rpg vibes but i keep r...
sticky dead french chef
  06/30/25
Overall lack of mini map was good for immersion but I got tu...
Vigorous Partner Background Story
  06/30/25
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sticky dead french chef
  06/30/25
lol bro you're retarded. none of the areas even have complex...
Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge
  09/25/25
cowshit says “I never know where to go in western game...
brass cuck
  09/25/25
imagine him trying to play some game with old school map des...
Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge
  09/25/25
I just ended up going backwards a bit and wasted some time. ...
Vigorous Partner Background Story
  09/25/25
(guy who got lost in the Kislev sewers for hours and fell do...
Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge
  09/26/25
Kislev sewers was annoying but fine. I do admit I had som...
Vigorous Partner Background Story
  09/26/25
Elden Ring was honestly a big letdown and one of the few gam...
Stirring fanboi
  06/30/25
(Doodikoff)
Milky Codepig Casino
  06/30/25
this is a great game for doodikoff. he can finally feel like...
sticky dead french chef
  06/30/25
No I'm playing through my backlog I'm in my ps vita era rn
Mauve Bbw Orchestra Pit
  06/30/25
Brilliant game and story telling. This is the sort of thing...
Vigorous Partner Background Story
  06/30/25
(Kojima sheds a tear)
ocher vibrant mexican
  06/30/25
I will absolutely play DS2 but not going to have time to dig...
Vigorous Partner Background Story
  06/30/25
It’s not that much of a beast. Seems to be Shorter tha...
ocher vibrant mexican
  06/30/25
I played it. It was fine and I was addicted for a little bi...
Vigorous Partner Background Story
  09/25/25
lmao proof that xoxo is retarded and jewish. oh wow games...
Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge
  09/25/25
Yea man, all games suck except for FromSoft games and clones...
Vigorous Partner Background Story
  09/25/25
oh wow the dumb faggot who says "go back to reddit"...
Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge
  09/26/25
It is on my to do list.
Stirring fanboi
  06/30/25
It's called a Backlog champ
Mauve Bbw Orchestra Pit
  06/30/25
...
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  09/25/25
You should just play this one
Claret elite clown potus
  07/11/25
im doing all the end game content now. i wish this stuff ope...
sticky dead french chef
  07/21/25
I just started and it seems like a potential Triumph. We'll ...
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  09/25/25
...
hairless zombie-like sanctuary cuckold
  09/25/25
UE5 rock walls
Laughsome impressive laser beams police squad
  09/25/25
No one has and it’s Forgotten
ocher vibrant mexican
  09/25/25
Gtfo
brass cuck
  09/25/25
It's in your Backlog ffs. you haven't played it a single fuc...
ocher vibrant mexican
  09/25/25
I fail to see how that’s relevant.
brass cuck
  09/25/25
🙄
ocher vibrant mexican
  09/25/25
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hairless zombie-like sanctuary cuckold
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Mauve Bbw Orchestra Pit
  09/25/25
first two acts nice, gets boring third act. either OP or one...
Light multi-colored church
  09/25/25
No western game is "balanced"
ocher vibrant mexican
  09/26/25
I thought BG3 was balanced. Even in the end, being somewhat ...
Light multi-colored church
  09/26/25
Update: played through most of it (acts 1-2) over the past w...
Nothing Ever Happens
  09/30/25
It is a triumph. Some cool fights in Act 3 but you might wa...
titus chicken
  10/01/25
I finished it. The last act was definitely the weak point of...
Nothing Ever Happens
  10/03/25


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Date: June 28th, 2025 12:07 AM
Author: Claret elite clown potus

Mind blowing story in that game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49055512)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 12:13 AM
Author: Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge

if you mean "fucking retarded" I agree. great start but it goes absolutely nowhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49055518)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 11:10 AM
Author: Claret elite clown potus

lol haha wtf bro that’s absolutely the opposite of the truth. Nobody disputes that it goes “somewhere” because the story is fully explained and realized. How far did you get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49056037)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:41 PM
Author: Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge

i beat the whole game. literally nothing happens. it has the plot depth and pacing of a fetch quest laden open-world MMORPG. it has one of the dumbest "twists" of all time and then the amount they flesh out the whole "painters/writers" feud is laughable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303270)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 5:01 PM
Author: erotic violent sneaky criminal

The main tension is concluded with act2, but act3's arc is still profound and 180. Addressing the rampant escapism prevalent in modern life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49056618)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 11:11 AM
Author: ocher vibrant mexican

I don’t spend more than like $10 on western games

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49056038)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 11:12 AM
Author: Claret elite clown potus

It’s Free on Gamepass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49056043)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 11:13 AM
Author: ocher vibrant mexican

Gamepass isn’t free. I don’t spend more than $240/yr on games, therefore it costs money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49056045)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 11:43 AM
Author: Claret elite clown potus

I forgot you are Poor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49056105)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 11:54 AM
Author: ocher vibrant mexican

I have PS5. Xbox is for poor people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49056118)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 12:05 PM
Author: brass cuck

You don’t even have the Pro. Your Death Stranding 2 purchase decimated your Net Worth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49056136)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 4:27 PM
Author: ocher vibrant mexican

I got the 229,99 Loser Edition too. I am your better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49056573)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Stirring fanboi

The best way of doing this is to have an Xbox, have Gamepass and then Nvidia Geforce Now streaming. Then you stream to your 42-48" oled screen in 4k at 120hz via your laptop. Better than the PS5 Pro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060663)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:25 PM
Author: Stirring fanboi

You can routinely get gamepass on sale. At ~$150/year (sometimes less) that is 3ish games/year. You'll probably buy several more games anyway but you'll also play like 5-10 games on gamepass, so unless you very rarely game it is a fantastic deal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060657)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: Milky Codepig Casino

Amazing game. Square acknowledged that it needs to go back to making turn based RPGs because E33 was a huge success

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49056599)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 4:57 PM
Author: erotic violent sneaky criminal



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49056612)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 10:02 PM
Author: Claret elite clown potus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49057140)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:26 AM
Author: sticky dead french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060099)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:15 AM
Author: brass cuck

The Paintress did nothing wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060064)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:28 AM
Author: sticky dead french chef

what a triumph. the dodge/parry mechanic is a great way to make turn based rpgs not purely a grind/math fest. could've used a minimap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060112)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:45 AM
Author: Milky Codepig Casino

Nah, not including the minimap was a great idea. More games should copy e33 and elden ring.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060167)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 12:18 PM
Author: sticky dead french chef

yeah i get it and like the old school rpg vibes but i keep running around like a retard and unintentionally grinding when id rather retain the difficulty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060427)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Vigorous Partner Background Story

Overall lack of mini map was good for immersion but I got turned around a lot and was hard to reorient myself. They could’ve done a better job with more in-game landmarks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060662)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: sticky dead french chef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49061221)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:43 PM
Author: Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge

lol bro you're retarded. none of the areas even have complex layouts. u would have been fucked during the PS1/Dreamcast/PS2 era.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303273)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: brass cuck

cowshit says “I never know where to go in western games” and I don’t get it at all, they all practically hold your hand the entire way through.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303276)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge

imagine him trying to play some game with old school map design like OG Tomb Raider or Turok or Shadowman and just getting lost in a single section of a level for hours dying over and over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303278)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 9:50 PM
Author: Vigorous Partner Background Story

I just ended up going backwards a bit and wasted some time. Had a similar issue in Rebirth which i loved too. Was never an issue in From games.

PS1 and Dreamcast games were easy. How could anyone get lost in the simple layouts in Grandia and Skies of Arcadia? Most PS1 games were just pre-rendered. The 3D stuff like Xenogears wasn’t hard to get around and was only annoying because of random battles.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303758)



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Date: September 26th, 2025 7:22 AM
Author: Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge

(guy who got lost in the Kislev sewers for hours and fell down the Tower of Babel 20 times and is now trying to play it off by blaming the encounter rate)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49304380)



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Date: September 26th, 2025 7:24 AM
Author: Vigorous Partner Background Story

Kislev sewers was annoying but fine.

I do admit I had some rough falls in the tower and might’ve yelled at my tv a few times. Isn’t that a right of passage though?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49304382)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Stirring fanboi

Elden Ring was honestly a big letdown and one of the few games I regret buying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060668)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 5:06 PM
Author: Milky Codepig Casino

(Doodikoff)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49061252)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: sticky dead french chef

this is a great game for doodikoff. he can finally feel like he beat a souls type game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49061258)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:55 AM
Author: Mauve Bbw Orchestra Pit

No I'm playing through my backlog I'm in my ps vita era rn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060207)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 12:33 PM
Author: Vigorous Partner Background Story

Brilliant game and story telling. This is the sort of thing FF should be striving to be.

Between this and Kingdom Come 2, games are on fire this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060458)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 12:55 PM
Author: ocher vibrant mexican

(Kojima sheds a tear)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060532)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:01 PM
Author: Vigorous Partner Background Story

I will absolutely play DS2 but not going to have time to dig into that beast for at least a month or so. Everything I’ve heard about it is positive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060567)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: ocher vibrant mexican

It’s not that much of a beast. Seems to be Shorter than the first.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060625)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 9:54 PM
Author: Vigorous Partner Background Story

I played it. It was fine and I was addicted for a little bit but got bored about halfway through. Not sure I’m going to finish. Digging Silksong right now but have a feeling I’ll lose interest in this before the end too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303769)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge

lmao proof that xoxo is retarded and jewish.

oh wow games are "on fire" because of a Two Worlds 2 clone that lets you protect jews and fuck other men in the ass. and a slop JRPG with a cast of man-jawed lesbians and an underdeveloped plot but decent graphics. wow it's a fucking renaissance. faggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303277)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 9:53 PM
Author: Vigorous Partner Background Story

Yea man, all games suck except for FromSoft games and clones. Go make some more posts about your 5090. What an odd dude who posts all the time about his gaming PC but hates games. Go back to Reddit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303765)



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Date: September 26th, 2025 7:26 AM
Author: Wonderful poppy reading party indian lodge

oh wow the dumb faggot who says "go back to reddit" just so happens to have the exact same taste in games as the median redditor. they LOVE Kingdom Slop 2 and Troon Obscur there.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49304384)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:04 PM
Author: Stirring fanboi

It is on my to do list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060584)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:07 PM
Author: Mauve Bbw Orchestra Pit

It's called a Backlog champ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49060595)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 11:17 PM
Author: hairless zombie-like sanctuary cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49304019)



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Date: July 11th, 2025 12:34 PM
Author: Claret elite clown potus

You should just play this one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49093156)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:10 AM
Author: sticky dead french chef

im doing all the end game content now. i wish this stuff opened up after the end of the main story as im sure ill one shot the final boss now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49118455)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: flickering talented legend really tough guy

I just started and it seems like a potential Triumph. We'll see what unfolds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49302644)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 5:54 PM
Author: hairless zombie-like sanctuary cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303164)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 5:49 PM
Author: Laughsome impressive laser beams police squad

UE5 rock walls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303150)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: ocher vibrant mexican

No one has and it’s Forgotten

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303171)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:11 PM
Author: brass cuck

Gtfo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303205)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 7:52 PM
Author: ocher vibrant mexican

It's in your Backlog ffs. you haven't played it a single fucking SECOND.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303449)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: brass cuck

I fail to see how that’s relevant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303681)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 10:36 PM
Author: ocher vibrant mexican

🙄

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303894)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 11:17 PM
Author: hairless zombie-like sanctuary cuckold



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49304018)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:50 PM
Author: Mauve Bbw Orchestra Pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303282)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 8:35 PM
Author: Light multi-colored church

first two acts nice, gets boring third act. either OP or one shotted. needs more balance.

but still good game. worth it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49303571)



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Date: September 26th, 2025 7:40 AM
Author: ocher vibrant mexican

No western game is "balanced"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49304392)



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Date: September 26th, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: Light multi-colored church

I thought BG3 was balanced. Even in the end, being somewhat OP, things were still a little difficult.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49304843)



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Date: September 30th, 2025 5:17 PM
Author: Nothing Ever Happens (🧐)

Update: played through most of it (acts 1-2) over the past week+ and it is indeed a Triumph. Kind of annoying how I ended act 2 at level 48 thinking I was close to wrapping up the game but every act 3 zone seems to be 10+ levels higher though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49315584)



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Date: October 1st, 2025 2:15 PM
Author: titus chicken

It is a triumph. Some cool fights in Act 3 but you might want to beeline and finish the story.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49317505)



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Date: October 3rd, 2025 5:15 PM
Author: Nothing Ever Happens (🧐)

I finished it. The last act was definitely the weak point of the game, but still overall very good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026mark_id=5310919#49323075)