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Peak experience for El Capitan climber: rappels off end of rope on livestream
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 1:02 PM Author: 180 rough-skinned stage idea he suggested https://www.sfgate.com/national-parks/article/climber-dies-yosemite-el-capitan-fall-21081616.php
“[He] was hauling his bag up the last pitch when it became stuck. So, he went down his lead line to clear it,” Evans wrote. “His rope didn’t reach the bag’s location by many feet, but he seemed unaware of that fact. On the way down he rappelled off the end of the rope.”
Makes my palms sweaty just thinking about the rush. |
Date: October 3rd, 2025 1:09 PM Author: sticky native "he could do physics with little effort." Sometimes a little effort is not enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322337) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 1:43 PM Author: Know-it-all Charismatic Address Regret Savage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322423) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 4:09 PM Author: stirring wild school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322881) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 2:45 AM Author: Violent yellow partner feces Wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324004) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 3:59 AM Author: Passionate hot home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324048) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 7:57 AM Author: galvanic filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324148) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 1:12 PM Author: Aqua spot boistinker "Miller's death came on the first day of the federal government shutdown, which left national parks "generally" open, with limited operations and closed visitors centres.'
Wow Drumpf has blood on his orange hands |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 1:13 PM Author: turquoise becky link to livestream? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322346) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 1:13 PM Author: 180 rough-skinned stage idea he suggested Don't think I want to see that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322347) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 2:00 PM Author: titillating magenta institution That's ok. Send the link and we'll describe it for you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322446) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 2:20 PM Author: Misanthropic box office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322513) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 2:41 PM Author: turquoise becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322587) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 3:08 PM Author: exciting weed whacker resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322734) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 4:10 PM Author: stirring wild school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322882) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 1:41 PM Author: jet medicated forum lol at thing-doers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322420) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 1:42 PM Author: Vengeful casino keepsake machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322422) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 1:55 PM Author: zombie-like cracking immigrant kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322438) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 4:51 PM Author: crusty space (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322997) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 5:32 PM Author: stirring wild school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323104) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 1:43 PM Author: floppy indigo macaca Jesus Christ that is retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322424) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 1:45 PM Author: Adventurous Bat-shit-crazy Ceo Meetinghouse am i cooked chat? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322427) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 2:06 PM Author: Motley jew "peak" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322470) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 2:11 PM Author: Well-lubricated flirting set mother Im only surprised these things dont happen more often (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322485) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 2:14 PM Author: Unholy sex offender parlour “but he seemed unaware of that fact.”
Thanks for clarifying |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 2:17 PM Author: amethyst disturbing garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322504) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 2:21 PM Author: Well-lubricated flirting set mother Is he ok?
Dont leave this as a cluff hanger. |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 2:54 PM Author: territorial khaki marketing idea university Needs to be added to corporate lingo.
Rakesh, you’ll want to make sure you update your PNPs for this. Don’t want to rappel off the end of your rope when the SOX auditors start to ask questions.
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 4:08 PM Author: 180 rough-skinned stage idea he suggested 180. We need whichever poster has the most reports to start forcememing this in his organization. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322877) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 4:48 PM Author: Know-it-all Charismatic Address Regret I am unironically going to start using this in discussions risked-based decision making. 100% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322981) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 5:18 PM Author: glittery olive public bath legal warrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323085) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 1:23 AM Author: Contagious associate french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323943) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 4:12 PM Author: cerebral opaque senate Any climbing mastermen itt? Aren't you supposed to tie knots in your ropes so this doesn't happen? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322889) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 4:21 PM Author: stirring wild school cafeteria lol, I’m no masterman but the rope is supposed to be considerably longer than the descent so that this doesn’t happen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322903) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 4:53 PM Author: domesticated hilarious lettuce El Cap is 10000k feet tall, they don't make ropes that long (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323002) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 5:07 PM Author: stirring wild school cafeteria he wasn’t going from top to bottom bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323056) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 6:14 PM Author: Bistre ape lmfao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323173) |
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Date: October 5th, 2025 11:47 AM Author: Know-it-all Charismatic Address Regret Until he was (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49326566) |
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Date: October 5th, 2025 12:56 PM Author: stirring wild school cafeteria wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49326709) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 4:54 PM Author: Comical Shrine You usually carry multiple ropes but it can be done with one rope if you constantly anchor / redrop the rope. Risk with one rope is that if it oops falls out of your hands you're fucked and stuck on the side of a cliff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323006) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 4:51 PM Author: Comical Shrine Yes, you tie a knot at the end of the rope whenever you rappel for this exact reason. When dropping the rope or pulling it back up (after you get to the end of it and have anchored on the rock) it can get stuck in cracks/on bushes so it's more of a PITA but it beats OOPS not rappelling off your rope. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49322996) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 5:43 PM Author: Aphrodisiac fuchsia mad-dog skullcap Yes, a simple stopper knot that takes approximately 5 seconds to tie. It’s very common and even indoor climbers know how to tie one.
There’s a continuum of experience for their use. Inexperienced - always tie them. Confident and more experienced climbers - often skip them because they can be a bit of a PITA. Legit truly experienced experts - always tie them. This guy fell in the middle it seems like. |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 6:38 PM Author: nofapping diverse range https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OX7dF80W35g (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323247) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 5:00 PM Author: Pea-brained appetizing turdskin community account honestly, he could stand with any man who has ever lived since about the first man, point to the peak, point to himself and indicate he'd been up there. This would inspire some marvel and admiration from any man, ever. He could then make a kind of splatter gesture with his hand, and all those cro-mags and homo erectuses, etc would all get that, too.
Kind of 180000 to die doing something so universal across all history, and universally heroic.
Now imagine how most of us would describe are lives and are deaths.
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 5:03 PM Author: Well-lubricated flirting set mother Not falling off a cliff face
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 5:12 PM Author: amethyst disturbing garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323068) |
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Date: October 5th, 2025 12:59 PM Author: Greedy son of senegal mexican (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49326716) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 6:23 PM Author: 180 rough-skinned stage idea he suggested Did any of you bros watch The Alpinist, and go in completely cold? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323188) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 9:52 PM Author: Buck-toothed Flesh Scourge Upon The Earth Skinny Woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323689) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 8:01 AM Author: galvanic filthpig I will do that tonight, good sir (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324150) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 7:00 PM Author: talented learning disabled office that's tough. i don't understand the mechanics here but it sounds like riding a motorcycle: you need to be perfect every single moment. (and even if you're perfect, other people fucking up can kill you, though that's not what happened here) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323303) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 11:00 PM Author: amethyst disturbing garrison Dude fell half a mile. That's about 17 seconds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323785) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 4:14 AM Author: Passionate hot home I got 13 but neglected air resistance (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324059) |
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Date: October 5th, 2025 11:42 AM Author: stirring wild school cafeteria peak experience (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49326557) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 11:37 PM Author: lime ratface I still don’t get what happened. He climbed to point A, went back to get his gear at point B, the gear got stuck somehow so he went back to get it unstuck and somehow couldn’t stop and flew off the mountain? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323836) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 11:38 PM Author: Histrionic psychic Yes. Remarkable, isn't it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323838) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 3:16 AM Author: Emerald church building all these climbing fags are using their retarded terms to describe shit, unable to explain shit at a basic level. they keep mentioning something abt tieing a knot at the end of the rope, if he had done that he wldnt have died to DET but i dont furking understand how that furking changes shit
and i dont understand wtf ur bag wld get stuck, wtf do u even have a bag, i think by bag they mean some other shit like to keep ur ropes wtf is this nigga shit wtf wldnt u just keep the bag on ur back |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 3:48 AM Author: 180 rough-skinned stage idea he suggested In other words, you’re a dweeb who hasn’t spent time outdoors other than quick runs to the beer store? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324033) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 5:04 AM Author: Emerald church building I tried doing a birdshit activity in Hellosirland and it was a disaster. Birdshits are insane (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324097) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 4:17 AM Author: Passionate hot home I gather a knot would have helped him stop (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324062) |
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Date: October 3rd, 2025 11:44 PM Author: Rambunctious field striped hyena i never got the logistics behind climbing even though they made us do that shit in middle school on little cliffs. at most a rope and harness are a b+ tool so you can delude yourself into thinking youre not gonna die right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323840) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 12:03 AM Author: buff haunted graveyard coffee pot Here is the video:
https://watchpeopledie.tv/h/falling/post/391759/balin-miller-climing-incident-03102025 |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 1:21 AM Author: stirring wild school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323940) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 1:25 AM Author: Mauve adulterous dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323947) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 1:29 AM Author: lime ratface what the fucking fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323951) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 3:50 AM Author: 180 rough-skinned stage idea he suggested Wow. Wasn’t as bad as I’d expected — I’d took “livestream” to mean he was streaming from a helmet cam or something at the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324037) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 5:16 AM Author: stimulating lodge why did he give up on himself and plunge straight down instead of doing some sort of kick-flip against the rock face so that he could change his trajectory and grab on to a ledge or something? parkour stuff, basically. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324106) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 5:29 AM Author: French stain he was at the end of his rope (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324109) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 5:37 AM Author: Contagious associate french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324116) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 7:48 AM Author: stirring wild school cafeteria (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324144) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 9:10 AM Author: amethyst disturbing garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324195) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 9:28 AM Author: Know-it-all Charismatic Address Regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324205) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 9:37 AM Author: excitant gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324218) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 11:03 AM Author: floppy indigo macaca (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324367) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 11:48 AM Author: big really tough guy stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324483) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 10:31 PM Author: Mauve adulterous dilemma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49325812) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 8:00 AM Author: hairraiser coral potus toilet seat What the fuck how could you not double check or be sure of how long the rope is. Man’s hubris with nature knows no bounds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324149) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 11:05 AM Author: floppy indigo macaca Looks like he tried to grab the rope his bag was hanging off of. To no avail
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Date: October 4th, 2025 11:33 AM Author: stirring wild school cafeteria to his credit it does look like he was able to grab it pretty well, that’s why it pops up at the end
but you ain’t catching yourself on a piece of yarn while free falling |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 11:44 AM Author: lime ratface When he was rappelling down to get the gear unstuck, how did he not notice the rope holding him was not taut? Wouldn’t you sense it was wasn’t tied or knotted or whatever? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324471) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 11:47 AM Author: stirring wild school cafeteria he probably wasn’t the type to use the catch knot at the end
and it’s probably not very taut usually. issue seems to be that he didn’t check that the end of the rope went down past where he was planning to stop |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 11:50 AM Author: Aqua spot boistinker I would have survived this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324489) |
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Date: October 4th, 2025 11:52 AM Author: big really tough guy stag film Almost looks like he did it on purpose (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49324493) |
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Date: October 5th, 2025 10:41 AM Author: territorial khaki marketing idea university Marla Singer turning her head to face Disco Fries, exhaling smoke in his face. “Bounce.” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5782674&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49326440) |