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Anyone Play Expedition 33

Mind blowing story in that game
haunting plum market
  06/28/25
if you mean "fucking retarded" I agree. great star...
unholy fighting legend jewess
  06/28/25
lol haha wtf bro that’s absolutely the opposite of the...
haunting plum market
  06/28/25
i beat the whole game. literally nothing happens. it has the...
unholy fighting legend jewess
  09/25/25
The main tension is concluded with act2, but act3's arc is s...
underhanded useless brakes
  06/28/25
I don’t spend more than like $10 on western games
beady-eyed national gaming laptop
  06/28/25
It’s Free on Gamepass
haunting plum market
  06/28/25
Gamepass isn’t free. I don’t spend more than $24...
beady-eyed national gaming laptop
  06/28/25
I forgot you are Poor
haunting plum market
  06/28/25
I have PS5. Xbox is for poor people
beady-eyed national gaming laptop
  06/28/25
You don’t even have the Pro. Your Death Stranding 2 pu...
Vengeful International Law Enforcement Agency School
  06/28/25
I got the 229,99 Loser Edition too. I am your better.
beady-eyed national gaming laptop
  06/28/25
The best way of doing this is to have an Xbox, have Gamepass...
violet talented idea he suggested
  06/30/25
You can routinely get gamepass on sale. At ~$150/year (some...
violet talented idea he suggested
  06/30/25
Amazing game. Square acknowledged that it needs to go back t...
soul-stirring crystalline philosopher-king
  06/28/25
...
underhanded useless brakes
  06/28/25
...
haunting plum market
  06/28/25
...
Fragrant rose circlehead brethren
  06/30/25
The Paintress did nothing wrong.
Vengeful International Law Enforcement Agency School
  06/30/25
what a triumph. the dodge/parry mechanic is a great way to m...
Fragrant rose circlehead brethren
  06/30/25
Nah, not including the minimap was a great idea. More games ...
soul-stirring crystalline philosopher-king
  06/30/25
yeah i get it and like the old school rpg vibes but i keep r...
Fragrant rose circlehead brethren
  06/30/25
Overall lack of mini map was good for immersion but I got tu...
dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt
  06/30/25
...
Fragrant rose circlehead brethren
  06/30/25
lol bro you're retarded. none of the areas even have complex...
unholy fighting legend jewess
  09/25/25
cowshit says “I never know where to go in western game...
Vengeful International Law Enforcement Agency School
  09/25/25
imagine him trying to play some game with old school map des...
unholy fighting legend jewess
  09/25/25
I just ended up going backwards a bit and wasted some time. ...
dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt
  09/25/25
(guy who got lost in the Kislev sewers for hours and fell do...
unholy fighting legend jewess
  09/26/25
Kislev sewers was annoying but fine. I do admit I had som...
dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt
  09/26/25
Elden Ring was honestly a big letdown and one of the few gam...
violet talented idea he suggested
  06/30/25
(Doodikoff)
soul-stirring crystalline philosopher-king
  06/30/25
this is a great game for doodikoff. he can finally feel like...
Fragrant rose circlehead brethren
  06/30/25
No I'm playing through my backlog I'm in my ps vita era rn
Cocky roast beef
  06/30/25
Brilliant game and story telling. This is the sort of thing...
dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt
  06/30/25
(Kojima sheds a tear)
beady-eyed national gaming laptop
  06/30/25
I will absolutely play DS2 but not going to have time to dig...
dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt
  06/30/25
It’s not that much of a beast. Seems to be Shorter tha...
beady-eyed national gaming laptop
  06/30/25
I played it. It was fine and I was addicted for a little bi...
dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt
  09/25/25
lmao proof that xoxo is retarded and jewish. oh wow games...
unholy fighting legend jewess
  09/25/25
Yea man, all games suck except for FromSoft games and clones...
dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt
  09/25/25
oh wow the dumb faggot who says "go back to reddit"...
unholy fighting legend jewess
  09/26/25
It is on my to do list.
violet talented idea he suggested
  06/30/25
It's called a Backlog champ
Cocky roast beef
  06/30/25
...
Onyx mind-boggling spot black woman
  09/25/25
You should just play this one
haunting plum market
  07/11/25
im doing all the end game content now. i wish this stuff ope...
Fragrant rose circlehead brethren
  07/21/25
I just started and it seems like a potential Triumph. We'll ...
mischievous bawdyhouse wagecucks
  09/25/25
...
Onyx mind-boggling spot black woman
  09/25/25
UE5 rock walls
scarlet vibrant house hominid
  09/25/25
No one has and it’s Forgotten
beady-eyed national gaming laptop
  09/25/25
Gtfo
Vengeful International Law Enforcement Agency School
  09/25/25
It's in your Backlog ffs. you haven't played it a single fuc...
beady-eyed national gaming laptop
  09/25/25
I fail to see how that’s relevant.
Vengeful International Law Enforcement Agency School
  09/25/25
🙄
beady-eyed national gaming laptop
  09/25/25
...
Onyx mind-boggling spot black woman
  09/25/25
...
Cocky roast beef
  09/25/25
first two acts nice, gets boring third act. either OP or one...
chest-beating legal warrant
  09/25/25
No western game is "balanced"
beady-eyed national gaming laptop
  09/26/25
I thought BG3 was balanced. Even in the end, being somewhat ...
chest-beating legal warrant
  09/26/25
Update: played through most of it (acts 1-2) over the past w...
Nothing Ever Happens
  09/30/25
It is a triumph. Some cool fights in Act 3 but you might wa...
titus chicken
  10/01/25
I finished it. The last act was definitely the weak point of...
Nothing Ever Happens
  10/03/25


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Date: June 28th, 2025 12:07 AM
Author: haunting plum market

Mind blowing story in that game

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49055512)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 12:13 AM
Author: unholy fighting legend jewess

if you mean "fucking retarded" I agree. great start but it goes absolutely nowhere.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49055518)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 11:10 AM
Author: haunting plum market

lol haha wtf bro that’s absolutely the opposite of the truth. Nobody disputes that it goes “somewhere” because the story is fully explained and realized. How far did you get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49056037)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:41 PM
Author: unholy fighting legend jewess

i beat the whole game. literally nothing happens. it has the plot depth and pacing of a fetch quest laden open-world MMORPG. it has one of the dumbest "twists" of all time and then the amount they flesh out the whole "painters/writers" feud is laughable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303270)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 5:01 PM
Author: underhanded useless brakes

The main tension is concluded with act2, but act3's arc is still profound and 180. Addressing the rampant escapism prevalent in modern life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49056618)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 11:11 AM
Author: beady-eyed national gaming laptop

I don’t spend more than like $10 on western games

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49056038)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 11:12 AM
Author: haunting plum market

It’s Free on Gamepass

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49056043)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 11:13 AM
Author: beady-eyed national gaming laptop

Gamepass isn’t free. I don’t spend more than $240/yr on games, therefore it costs money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49056045)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 11:43 AM
Author: haunting plum market

I forgot you are Poor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49056105)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 11:54 AM
Author: beady-eyed national gaming laptop

I have PS5. Xbox is for poor people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49056118)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 12:05 PM
Author: Vengeful International Law Enforcement Agency School

You don’t even have the Pro. Your Death Stranding 2 purchase decimated your Net Worth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49056136)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 4:27 PM
Author: beady-eyed national gaming laptop

I got the 229,99 Loser Edition too. I am your better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49056573)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: violet talented idea he suggested

The best way of doing this is to have an Xbox, have Gamepass and then Nvidia Geforce Now streaming. Then you stream to your 42-48" oled screen in 4k at 120hz via your laptop. Better than the PS5 Pro.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060663)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:25 PM
Author: violet talented idea he suggested

You can routinely get gamepass on sale. At ~$150/year (sometimes less) that is 3ish games/year. You'll probably buy several more games anyway but you'll also play like 5-10 games on gamepass, so unless you very rarely game it is a fantastic deal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060657)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: soul-stirring crystalline philosopher-king

Amazing game. Square acknowledged that it needs to go back to making turn based RPGs because E33 was a huge success

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49056599)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 4:57 PM
Author: underhanded useless brakes



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49056612)



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Date: June 28th, 2025 10:02 PM
Author: haunting plum market



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49057140)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:26 AM
Author: Fragrant rose circlehead brethren



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060099)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:15 AM
Author: Vengeful International Law Enforcement Agency School

The Paintress did nothing wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060064)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:28 AM
Author: Fragrant rose circlehead brethren

what a triumph. the dodge/parry mechanic is a great way to make turn based rpgs not purely a grind/math fest. could've used a minimap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060112)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:45 AM
Author: soul-stirring crystalline philosopher-king

Nah, not including the minimap was a great idea. More games should copy e33 and elden ring.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060167)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 12:18 PM
Author: Fragrant rose circlehead brethren

yeah i get it and like the old school rpg vibes but i keep running around like a retard and unintentionally grinding when id rather retain the difficulty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060427)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt

Overall lack of mini map was good for immersion but I got turned around a lot and was hard to reorient myself. They could’ve done a better job with more in-game landmarks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060662)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: Fragrant rose circlehead brethren



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49061221)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:43 PM
Author: unholy fighting legend jewess

lol bro you're retarded. none of the areas even have complex layouts. u would have been fucked during the PS1/Dreamcast/PS2 era.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303273)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: Vengeful International Law Enforcement Agency School

cowshit says “I never know where to go in western games” and I don’t get it at all, they all practically hold your hand the entire way through.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303276)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:47 PM
Author: unholy fighting legend jewess

imagine him trying to play some game with old school map design like OG Tomb Raider or Turok or Shadowman and just getting lost in a single section of a level for hours dying over and over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303278)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 9:50 PM
Author: dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt

I just ended up going backwards a bit and wasted some time. Had a similar issue in Rebirth which i loved too. Was never an issue in From games.

PS1 and Dreamcast games were easy. How could anyone get lost in the simple layouts in Grandia and Skies of Arcadia? Most PS1 games were just pre-rendered. The 3D stuff like Xenogears wasn’t hard to get around and was only annoying because of random battles.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303758)



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Date: September 26th, 2025 7:22 AM
Author: unholy fighting legend jewess

(guy who got lost in the Kislev sewers for hours and fell down the Tower of Babel 20 times and is now trying to play it off by blaming the encounter rate)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49304380)



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Date: September 26th, 2025 7:24 AM
Author: dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt

Kislev sewers was annoying but fine.

I do admit I had some rough falls in the tower and might’ve yelled at my tv a few times. Isn’t that a right of passage though?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49304382)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: violet talented idea he suggested

Elden Ring was honestly a big letdown and one of the few games I regret buying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060668)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 5:06 PM
Author: soul-stirring crystalline philosopher-king

(Doodikoff)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49061252)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Fragrant rose circlehead brethren

this is a great game for doodikoff. he can finally feel like he beat a souls type game.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49061258)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 10:55 AM
Author: Cocky roast beef

No I'm playing through my backlog I'm in my ps vita era rn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060207)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 12:33 PM
Author: dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt

Brilliant game and story telling. This is the sort of thing FF should be striving to be.

Between this and Kingdom Come 2, games are on fire this year.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060458)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 12:55 PM
Author: beady-eyed national gaming laptop

(Kojima sheds a tear)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060532)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:01 PM
Author: dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt

I will absolutely play DS2 but not going to have time to dig into that beast for at least a month or so. Everything I’ve heard about it is positive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060567)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: beady-eyed national gaming laptop

It’s not that much of a beast. Seems to be Shorter than the first.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060625)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 9:54 PM
Author: dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt

I played it. It was fine and I was addicted for a little bit but got bored about halfway through. Not sure I’m going to finish. Digging Silksong right now but have a feeling I’ll lose interest in this before the end too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303769)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:45 PM
Author: unholy fighting legend jewess

lmao proof that xoxo is retarded and jewish.

oh wow games are "on fire" because of a Two Worlds 2 clone that lets you protect jews and fuck other men in the ass. and a slop JRPG with a cast of man-jawed lesbians and an underdeveloped plot but decent graphics. wow it's a fucking renaissance. faggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303277)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 9:53 PM
Author: dashing school cafeteria people who are hurt

Yea man, all games suck except for FromSoft games and clones. Go make some more posts about your 5090. What an odd dude who posts all the time about his gaming PC but hates games. Go back to Reddit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303765)



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Date: September 26th, 2025 7:26 AM
Author: unholy fighting legend jewess

oh wow the dumb faggot who says "go back to reddit" just so happens to have the exact same taste in games as the median redditor. they LOVE Kingdom Slop 2 and Troon Obscur there.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49304384)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:04 PM
Author: violet talented idea he suggested

It is on my to do list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060584)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:07 PM
Author: Cocky roast beef

It's called a Backlog champ

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49060595)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 11:17 PM
Author: Onyx mind-boggling spot black woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49304019)



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Date: July 11th, 2025 12:34 PM
Author: haunting plum market

You should just play this one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49093156)



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Date: July 21st, 2025 10:10 AM
Author: Fragrant rose circlehead brethren

im doing all the end game content now. i wish this stuff opened up after the end of the main story as im sure ill one shot the final boss now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49118455)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: mischievous bawdyhouse wagecucks

I just started and it seems like a potential Triumph. We'll see what unfolds

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49302644)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 5:54 PM
Author: Onyx mind-boggling spot black woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303164)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 5:49 PM
Author: scarlet vibrant house hominid

UE5 rock walls

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303150)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: beady-eyed national gaming laptop

No one has and it’s Forgotten

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303171)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:11 PM
Author: Vengeful International Law Enforcement Agency School

Gtfo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303205)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 7:52 PM
Author: beady-eyed national gaming laptop

It's in your Backlog ffs. you haven't played it a single fucking SECOND.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303449)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: Vengeful International Law Enforcement Agency School

I fail to see how that’s relevant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303681)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 10:36 PM
Author: beady-eyed national gaming laptop

🙄

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303894)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 11:17 PM
Author: Onyx mind-boggling spot black woman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49304018)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 6:50 PM
Author: Cocky roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303282)



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Date: September 25th, 2025 8:35 PM
Author: chest-beating legal warrant

first two acts nice, gets boring third act. either OP or one shotted. needs more balance.

but still good game. worth it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49303571)



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Date: September 26th, 2025 7:40 AM
Author: beady-eyed national gaming laptop

No western game is "balanced"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49304392)



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Date: September 26th, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: chest-beating legal warrant

I thought BG3 was balanced. Even in the end, being somewhat OP, things were still a little difficult.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49304843)



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Date: September 30th, 2025 5:17 PM
Author: Nothing Ever Happens (🧐)

Update: played through most of it (acts 1-2) over the past week+ and it is indeed a Triumph. Kind of annoying how I ended act 2 at level 48 thinking I was close to wrapping up the game but every act 3 zone seems to be 10+ levels higher though

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49315584)



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Date: October 1st, 2025 2:15 PM
Author: titus chicken

It is a triumph. Some cool fights in Act 3 but you might want to beeline and finish the story.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49317505)



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Date: October 3rd, 2025 5:15 PM
Author: Nothing Ever Happens (🧐)

I finished it. The last act was definitely the weak point of the game, but still overall very good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744013&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49323075)