The other issue I've heard is some confusion in their design choices and it seems like they're stuck between aping either Fortnite/Arc Raiders/Tarkov rather than clearing the slate and trying to make a more novel riff on the extraction shooter genre

Low baseline round investment (resource-wise)/low OR relatively high Halo ttk/high speed Quake-esque movement would probably be a winning combination. No other extraction shooter has a real movement game and most of them are afaik positioning shooters (Tarkov especially)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5842989&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49726068)

Supposedly Arc Raiders also handled that as well and from what I understand the medium tier gear you can just buy is competitive enough to take on high tier gear too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5842989&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49726115)

The development on it is dead, another EA failure, but "Marauders" was looking like it could've been something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5842989&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49726149)

Tarkov? I've only played a few hours of it and Arc Raiders is too Reddit-y for me, though it is undeniably popular and probably in possession of at least a couple sublime facets

Extraction shooters have a set of pretty good ideas driving them, persistent resource pools, having to manage brought resources in intermediate length rounds, high risk/reward sessions, interesting player interactions brought about by game systems and map design, forcing players to make difficult calls w/r/t opportunity costs, et al

I enjoyed one of the earliest incidences of this genre, a Tom Clancy game called "The Division" had a very novel at the time extraction game mode called "Dark Zone" or "Grey Zone" or something and it's evolved quite a bit since then

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5842989&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49726074)

Sounds like an industry mag meme but extraction shooters are "thinking man's shooters", at least in theory. In execution Tarkov reaches that sometimes but is also riddled with shitty crabby play styles that can really ruin the flow of a match and way too much random slavjank systemslop packed in like an overfilled tin of borscht

Having one with speedy skill based movement and asymmetrical class based movement options would help break the monotony of dealing with campers and extremely dull "spot and click the one pixel on the treeline before you die in one shot" common gameplay scenarios inimical to the genre (battle royale games have that issue as well)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5842989&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49726087)

Not a good game but there's a couple of interesting ideas in it and the faction trying to destroy the city/server state is literally called "Scum" ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5842989&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49726099)

Basically a GMod game mode (can't remember the name) that some edgelords turned into a standalone product

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5842989&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49726119)

Align with the Cortex to stabilize and protect the city.

Join the Scumbags or Zealots to spread the Rot and sow chaos.

Remain Neutral and immerse yourself in daily life, working in factories or exploring the city.

Not a good game but I do think that whatever nascent genre this might fall into could be very popular/lucrative with a little bit of polish and a clever dev team

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5842989&forum_id=2\u0026show=6hr#49726136)