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Can anyone explain the odd Catholicism of Nick "totally not a fed" Fuentes?

Never watched this guy until a few weeks ago, now that his c...
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
Your wife has black hair and so will your kids
Wonderful clown useless brakes
  10/19/25
This is letter "r", and this is letter "l&quo...
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
there's a huge swath of online trad types who are performati...
Tripping sneaky criminal
  10/19/25
He is not "trad", neither performative, nor real. ...
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
im saying they're larping
Tripping sneaky criminal
  10/19/25
Yes, I misunderstood you. There is a huge gap though betwee...
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
You're only Catholic if your heritage is Catholic. I assume ...
stubborn vermilion forum philosopher-king
  10/19/25
So he is Catholic by his own definition, which is neither Tr...
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
...
sadistic snowy trump supporter
  10/19/25
I think he would say the opposite. He would say he exhibits ...
stimulating mustard legal warrant office
  10/19/25
Lmao So true, Mr. Shalom tp
Scarlet institution
  10/19/25
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godawful violent wrinkle
  10/19/25
Would you say he is rather Catholicish than Catholic?
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
Does it matter how dug in he is to the lore?
stimulating mustard legal warrant office
  10/19/25
if he’s a fed do Trump and Biden both know about it? ...
Wonderful clown useless brakes
  10/19/25
Do you have 80 IQ?
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
yes. explain to me how it works
Wonderful clown useless brakes
  10/19/25
Your mother drinks heavily while she is pregnant.
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
granted, but I’m still wondering if both the Biden adm...
Wonderful clown useless brakes
  10/19/25
He’s not a fed
Pale whorehouse gaping
  10/19/25
totally?
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
do the presidents know about it or no?
Wonderful clown useless brakes
  10/20/25
i still dont get why you people pretend that "feds"...
unhinged filthy space
  10/19/25
Allow me to explain. They want their people in key position...
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
who does he report to? Like which agency or executive branch...
Wonderful clown useless brakes
  10/19/25
youre jewish, we get it
Lascivious candlestick maker range
  10/19/25
Nick Fuentes, while explaining his activity on 1/6, used the...
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
"He is obviously a performance artist edgelord who desp...
sadistic snowy trump supporter
  10/19/25
That was posted in response to a specific comment. Now, t...
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
fuentes doesnt like steak? lmao, what kind of pathetic male ...
Indigo Cruel-hearted Private Investor Pocket Flask
  10/19/25
The same one that uses words like "yummy" apparent...
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
I don't know whether he's a "fed" or whatever, but...
trip stag film
  10/19/25
This is so fucking stupid and low IQ. Stfu retard. Why would...
stimulating mustard legal warrant office
  10/19/25
tiresome
trip stag film
  10/19/25
Counterpoint Nick is on a generational run and Instagram is ...
stimulating mustard legal warrant office
  10/19/25
You are a real fan of Fuentes and Shapiro, I guess
trip stag film
  10/19/25
He is banned on Youtube so his main platform is Rumble. I do...
internet-worthy electric cumskin
  10/19/25
He is all over YT. Not his account, but same result.
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
The lawsuit he caused by valiantly pepper spraying some shor...
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
He’s been banned from nearly all platforms, including ...
Pale whorehouse gaping
  10/19/25
Same shit used to happen with the other feds on that list.
disturbing obsidian people who are hurt
  10/20/25
how certain can you be that you aren't jewish?
Pale whorehouse gaping
  10/20/25
...
disturbing obsidian people who are hurt
  10/20/25
He's obviously not a Catholic or religious at all in any way...
Scarlet institution
  10/19/25
(Tucker Carlson)
stimulating mustard legal warrant office
  10/19/25
This seems correct.
Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage
  10/19/25
cr you don't have to be a loremaster to understand that a ma...
Razzle narrow-minded macaca juggernaut
  10/19/25
Chris Brunet has a problem with Nick Fuentes because Chris, ...
grizzly cowardly stain field
  10/19/25
This sounds right. Karlstack should understand Jewish power ...
internet-worthy electric cumskin
  10/20/25
Do any other pumos want to defend Nick Fuentes?
soul-stirring partner feces
  10/20/25
To the extent Jews know a goddamn thing about Christianity, ...
soul-stirring partner feces
  10/19/25
yes, protestants are well known to not slavishly write blank...
buff station
  10/20/25
although i do see the israeli state and western jewry as sep...
buff station
  10/20/25
look at Shlomo trying to move the goalposts
soul-stirring partner feces
  10/20/25


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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:13 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

Never watched this guy until a few weeks ago, now that his chips are all over YT, watched some full episodes and learned that he

1. Claims that he is Catholic, states that only Catholics go to heaven, no E Orthodox, no protestants; at the same time he does not really attend Mass, not interested in saints or feasts.

2. Claims that SSPX/FSSP are "too political", "schismatic" and he is "with Pope", "it's Novus Ordo baby"; at the same time, he he does not seem to support Pope's immigration views, or Pope's view on Orthodox and Protestant Christians' salvation.

Not sure how can anyone take this edgelord faggot seriously. His only coherent and noncontradictory view seem to be on "yammy yammy" pizzas and "yammy yammy" pastas. And steaks not being "his thing". Now that's coherent. Because "yammy yammy" pastas go well with scented candles.

P.S. Hope Tucker advertises "steaks for men" all day if Fuentes gets on his show.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359714)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 6:25 PM
Author: Wonderful clown useless brakes

Your wife has black hair and so will your kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360462)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 8:16 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

This is letter "r", and this is letter "l".

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360604)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:15 PM
Author: Tripping sneaky criminal

there's a huge swath of online trad types who are performatively catholic because it's trad but exhibit no catholic virtues.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359717)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:20 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

He is not "trad", neither performative, nor real. He just criticized Latin mass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359728)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:21 PM
Author: Tripping sneaky criminal

im saying they're larping

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359731)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:43 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

Yes, I misunderstood you. There is a huge gap though between "not displaying catholic virtues" and being clueless on basics. Fuentes is in the later category.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359795)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:34 PM
Author: stubborn vermilion forum philosopher-king

You're only Catholic if your heritage is Catholic. I assume that's the case for Fuentes but all these other evangelical proles converting is clownish

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359768)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

So he is Catholic by his own definition, which is neither Tridentate nor Vatican II. An Arian Catholic of Mexican origin who does not attend Mass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359889)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 2:14 PM
Author: sadistic snowy trump supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360010)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:44 PM
Author: stimulating mustard legal warrant office

I think he would say the opposite. He would say he exhibits the virtues but doesn't go down the whole academic rabbit hole of studying all the Saints and the liturgy and all the theological debate stuff. His point is that he's a true believing Christian but not a complete nerd. It's OK to be a quasi lapsed Catholic if you truly believe in it and show up from time to time.

If you watch the episode after Charlie Kirk died he gives a eulogy where he explains the Gospel in detail and really hones in on the overarching message of Christianity. It's hard to say oh well he's not a real Christian because he doesn't have a favorite feast day. He's just not a nerd about these things and of course some eggheads like lex or C12 or FizzKidd who have studied everything possible about the church and are giga brains on the subject have deep Opinions on tridentine mass and sspx and are super involved in internal church politics are going to say well why aren't you 10x more into this than you are? Well it's OK to just be a 'regular' Catholic, you don't have to be some big nerd about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359802)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 1:00 PM
Author: Scarlet institution

Lmao

So true, Mr. Shalom tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359839)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 7:47 PM
Author: godawful violent wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360561)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 2:05 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

Would you say he is rather Catholicish than Catholic?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359992)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 2:40 PM
Author: stimulating mustard legal warrant office

Does it matter how dug in he is to the lore?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360071)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:16 PM
Author: Wonderful clown useless brakes

if he’s a fed do Trump and Biden both know about it?

Or is this a super secret deep state thing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359718)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:21 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

Do you have 80 IQ?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359730)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:23 PM
Author: Wonderful clown useless brakes

yes. explain to me how it works

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359736)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:27 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

Your mother drinks heavily while she is pregnant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359750)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:29 PM
Author: Wonderful clown useless brakes

granted, but I’m still wondering if both the Biden administration and Trump administration are aware he’s a fed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359760)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 3:09 PM
Author: Pale whorehouse gaping

He’s not a fed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360134)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 3:11 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

totally?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360137)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:49 AM
Author: Wonderful clown useless brakes

do the presidents know about it or no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49361546)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:19 PM
Author: unhinged filthy space

i still dont get why you people pretend that "feds" would be saying the stuff these people do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359726)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:27 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

Allow me to explain. They want their people in key positions to voice opinions that are "out there" anyway, and then, based on these people's trustworthy opinions, to mislead the public at the key moments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359747)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:36 PM
Author: Wonderful clown useless brakes

who does he report to? Like which agency or executive branch member is his handler?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359772)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:24 PM
Author: Lascivious candlestick maker range

youre jewish, we get it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359740)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:36 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

Nick Fuentes, while explaining his activity on 1/6, used the phrase "some orbiter handed me a megaphone". Same attitude permeates his superchat Q&As. He is obviously a performance artist edgelord who despises his followers. So, a question for you. Are you a bitch?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359774)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 2:31 PM
Author: sadistic snowy trump supporter

"He is obviously a performance artist edgelord who despises his followers."

this is very, very different from being a fed. I'd argue that he's actually the least compromised of any alternative media figure out there, since his whole life he's just been winging it and has attained a "famous for being famous" status where he can just say whatever he's thinking. not pandering to his audience puts him in a court jester gadfly role, which his whole career depends on, where he doesn't actually HAVE slavish normie followers who will boost whatever weird shit he's saying in such a marketable-to-foreign-interests type of way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360044)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 2:55 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

That was posted in response to a specific comment.

Now, to your point, his behaviors do limit his core followers in number, but also limit them to a very specific category, easy to manipulate people with extremely low self-esteem. That could be very useful.

On the other hand, any ideas that he voices, that have some merit to them, are now associated with his obnoxious narcissistic faggotry. That also could be very useful.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360119)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:35 PM
Author: Indigo Cruel-hearted Private Investor Pocket Flask

fuentes doesnt like steak? lmao, what kind of pathetic male doesnt like steak?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359771)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:38 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

The same one that uses words like "yummy" apparently

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359780)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:57 PM
Author: trip stag film

I don't know whether he's a "fed" or whatever, but he's obviously not what he appears to be.

People are paying good money to make him some sort of influencer on the anti-Semitic right, and he then uses that influence to attack anyone on the right who criticizes Israel's wars, etc. Similar to various feds before him (Spencer, Duke, etc.), he has managed not to get himself banned from Youtube and the respectable media.

Fed-money or Israeli-money, I guess, fed through wherever. There's a lot of money slopping around in the world, and it's fairly standard to parasitize and own a movement that you dislike. It probably all comes in through small anonymous untraceable donations to his channels. Presumably he doesn't have any idea where it actually comes from, and only knows what he needs to say to make influencer-dollars.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359831)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:59 PM
Author: stimulating mustard legal warrant office

This is so fucking stupid and low IQ. Stfu retard. Why would you need to jump to some totally unsubstantiated conclusion that he has to be controlled by some entity you can't even specify? Why can't he just be an independent voice? You're dumb as fuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359836)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 1:08 PM
Author: trip stag film

tiresome

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359858)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 1:20 PM
Author: stimulating mustard legal warrant office

Counterpoint Nick is on a generational run and Instagram is full of memes of Ben Shapiro putting Matt Walsh in the cuck cage. Enjoy your Daily Wire subscription faggot lmao.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359884)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: trip stag film

You are a real fan of Fuentes and Shapiro, I guess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359913)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 1:47 PM
Author: internet-worthy electric cumskin

He is banned on Youtube so his main platform is Rumble. I don't think he is Fed because his criticism of Israel and Jewish power is simply too high quality to allow.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359953)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 2:00 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

He is all over YT. Not his account, but same result.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359980)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 1:59 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

The lawsuit he caused by valiantly pepper spraying some short fat lib woman in the face is still ongoing. There is probably a stick here as well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359977)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:26 PM
Author: Pale whorehouse gaping

He’s been banned from nearly all platforms, including YouTube. People put clips of him there but he’s banned

He finally got allowed on Spotify like two weeks ago. His show went #1 and he was banned

He’s not a fed or a double agent or whatever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360964)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:58 AM
Author: disturbing obsidian people who are hurt

Same shit used to happen with the other feds on that list.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49361567)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Pale whorehouse gaping

how certain can you be that you aren't jewish?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49361824)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:57 AM
Author: disturbing obsidian people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49361564)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 12:59 PM
Author: Scarlet institution

He's obviously not a Catholic or religious at all in any way

He's probably the least religious or spiritual person on earth. Narcissistic to a cartoonish degree. Like Ayn Rand but half Mexican and gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359835)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 1:00 PM
Author: stimulating mustard legal warrant office

(Tucker Carlson)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49359837)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 2:09 PM
Author: Swashbuckling Bearded Old Irish Cottage

This seems correct.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360001)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 6:58 PM
Author: Razzle narrow-minded macaca juggernaut

cr you don't have to be a loremaster to understand that a man who praises Game of Thrones and despises LOTR has absolute shit taste and cannot be trusted

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360505)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 6:13 PM
Author: grizzly cowardly stain field

Chris Brunet has a problem with Nick Fuentes because Chris, as a genealogical Jew, takes deep issue with Nick’s view that the Jewish/Israel “problem” has nothing to do with the state of Israel in and of itself but that the problem proceeds from Jews as a nepotistic transnational Jewish nation predicated on Jewish ethnicity. That is what it appears to me as Chris, a literal nobody, has been anklebiting Fuentes for the past year after getting redpilled literally yesterday.

Mind you just last year this guy was promulgating shabbos goy talking points on XO until he was fired from whatever BS sinecure he had for criticizing Israel. Nick’s view is extremely compelling and he is incredibly effective at articulating it which elicits this obsessive and very Jewish hysteric defcon 1 reaction from Chris.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360437)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 3:31 PM
Author: internet-worthy electric cumskin

This sounds right. Karlstack should understand Jewish power will never forgive him. He shouldn't be attacking Fuentes. They are on the same side.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49362195)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 3:53 PM
Author: soul-stirring partner feces

Do any other pumos want to defend Nick Fuentes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49362241)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 7:12 PM
Author: soul-stirring partner feces

To the extent Jews know a goddamn thing about Christianity, they only know about Catholics. By default, their controlled goy allies are going to be hardcore Catholics like Sohrab Amari and Adrian Vermeule. It's usual to see a protestant like Huckabee having one-on-one intercourse with the Israeli government

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49360522)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:46 AM
Author: buff station

yes, protestants are well known to not slavishly write blank checks to israel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49361533)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:47 AM
Author: buff station

although i do see the israeli state and western jewry as separate, often but not always overlapping interests/factions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49361536)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:14 PM
Author: soul-stirring partner feces

look at Shlomo trying to move the goalposts

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787749&forum_id=2\u0026show=my#49361796)