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MLB Bros: Is Skenes' Cy Young @ 10-10 Worst For SP? (De Grom Won @ 10-9, 11-8)

king felix won at 13-12. obv relief pitchers have won wit...
Diverse Gunner Private Investor
  10/19/25
didnt some closers with a losing record win?
big nudist reading party
  10/19/25
Apparently only Gagne in '03.
clear chest-beating mother
  10/19/25
n.b. looks like sutter won a cy @ 6-6
Diverse Gunner Private Investor
  10/20/25
yes, hence "SP" in the thread title and "obv ...
Diverse Gunner Private Investor
  10/19/25
sheeit
big nudist reading party
  10/19/25
cy young was a great pitcher, but he didn't get a lot of win...
insanely creepy principal's office
  10/19/25
good point
big nudist reading party
  10/19/25
Cr it's not the Cy WINS award
Mustard orchestra pit
  10/20/25
He literally has the most wins and the most losses of any ML...
confused potus
  10/20/25
you cant just magically win games as a pitcher when you dont...
Provocative yellow school
  10/20/25
poor RC? nobody ITT is shitting on skenes. ITT we all recogn...
Diverse Gunner Private Investor
  10/20/25
See: 2004 NL Cy Young, where Clemens beat Big Unit because R...
Soul-stirring field famous landscape painting
  10/20/25
great example. yankee fan who loved clemens then -- even aft...
Diverse Gunner Private Investor
  10/20/25
Randy was 40 years old that year and threw a perfect game. ...
Soul-stirring field famous landscape painting
  10/20/25
Did randy juice?
Diverse Gunner Private Investor
  10/20/25
Not sure why that matters but probably given that everyone j...
Soul-stirring field famous landscape painting
  10/20/25
It’s an interesting question given he’s never be...
Diverse Gunner Private Investor
  10/20/25
Only 3 players pitched 200+ innings. In 2019, 15 pitchers...
razzle-dazzle flickering lodge
  10/20/25
these guys still have as many injuries and tommy john surger...
Diverse Gunner Private Investor
  10/20/25


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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:48 PM
Author: Diverse Gunner Private Investor

king felix won at 13-12.

obv relief pitchers have won with worse or losing records, but incredible how far baseball has come that a 10-10 record can win a cy young.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49360991)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:49 PM
Author: big nudist reading party

didnt some closers with a losing record win?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49360993)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:57 PM
Author: clear chest-beating mother

Apparently only Gagne in '03.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361004)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:00 AM
Author: Diverse Gunner Private Investor

n.b. looks like sutter won a cy @ 6-6

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361009)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Diverse Gunner Private Investor

yes, hence "SP" in the thread title and "obv relief pitchers" int he OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361006)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:59 PM
Author: big nudist reading party

sheeit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361008)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: insanely creepy principal's office

cy young was a great pitcher, but he didn't get a lot of wins

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361005)



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Date: October 19th, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: big nudist reading party

good point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361007)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Mustard orchestra pit

Cr it's not the Cy WINS award

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361025)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:27 AM
Author: confused potus

He literally has the most wins and the most losses of any MLB pitcher ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361092)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 1:29 AM
Author: Provocative yellow school

you cant just magically win games as a pitcher when you dont give up any runs to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361097)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:00 AM
Author: Diverse Gunner Private Investor

poor RC? nobody ITT is shitting on skenes. ITT we all recognize he's on a terrible team

the issue ITT is discussion of a fundamental shift in baseball thinking -- away from wins and losses, and toward advance stats. which is a good thing. a guy with a 10-10 record and a sub-2 ERA would never have won the cy prior to ~15 years ago bc of hur durr writers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361267)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 8:14 AM
Author: Soul-stirring field famous landscape painting

See: 2004 NL Cy Young, where Clemens beat Big Unit because Roger was 18-4 while Randy was 16-14. Randy led the league in WAR (8.4 to Roger's 5.4), strike outs, WHIP, ERA+, and had 2.60 ERA to Roger's 2.98.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_2004.shtml#all_NL_CYA_voting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361279)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:27 AM
Author: Diverse Gunner Private Investor

great example. yankee fan who loved clemens then -- even after he left -- and i was totally fine with that outcome at the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361383)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:49 AM
Author: Soul-stirring field famous landscape painting

Randy was 40 years old that year and threw a perfect game.

Ben Sheets actually also had way better stats than Roger but because he played in Milwaukee nobody gave a shit and he only got ONE tiny pink vote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361544)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:07 AM
Author: Diverse Gunner Private Investor

Did randy juice?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361583)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:32 AM
Author: Soul-stirring field famous landscape painting

Not sure why that matters but probably given that everyone juiced and he was coming off injuries in 2003 and he was so good as he got old. Argument against him juicing: he has never been accused, his stats can be explained by learning control as he got older/gave up a couple MPH. Conclusion: he's 18000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361619)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 11:39 AM
Author: Diverse Gunner Private Investor

It’s an interesting question given he’s never been linked. Guys not linked that obviously doped, like David Ortiz, are heroes in the baseball media because they didn’t dope.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361626)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 9:55 AM
Author: razzle-dazzle flickering lodge

Only 3 players pitched 200+ innings.

In 2019, 15 pitchers did that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361421)



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Date: October 20th, 2025 10:21 AM
Author: Diverse Gunner Private Investor

these guys still have as many injuries and tommy john surgeries despite all this pussy pitch count crap

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5787928&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted",#49361477)