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REMINDER: Africans never discovered Madagascar, swimming distance from shore
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Date: September 29th, 2023 10:59 AM Author: unholy stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46858939) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 12:10 PM Author: magical maroon gunner 300 km is swimming distance? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859326) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 5:19 PM Author: lime weed whacker principal's office (guy who is doubling down on the metric system) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860861) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 5:19 PM Author: lime weed whacker principal's office (guy who is really bad at geography) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860860) |
Date: September 29th, 2023 10:59 AM Author: vibrant famous landscape painting range It’s still a fucking mystery how lemurs got there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46858942) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:01 AM Author: unholy stag film higher IQs than Africans (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46858958) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:02 AM Author: vibrant famous landscape painting range Maybe your ancestors should have left them alone then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46858959) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:03 AM Author: unholy stag film I suspect this sounded better in the original mandarin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46858964) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:20 AM Author: Fantasy-prone Set (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859063) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:36 AM Author: Fragrant Harsh Boiling Water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859140) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:17 PM Author: salmon autistic skinny woman reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860554) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 10:14 PM Author: jet-lagged regret hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46862040) |
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Date: February 14th, 2025 10:30 AM Author: stirring locale elastic band (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48659204) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:19 AM Author: tan tantric digit ratio they did get there eventually, but polynesians discovered it first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859054) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:20 AM Author: Fantasy-prone Set no, indonesians. they were thousands of miles away but found it before niggas. amazing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859060) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:26 AM Author: Domesticated theater really tough guy The Reddit science answer is prevailing winds made it easier to get there from Indonesia than Africa 😹 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859088) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:35 AM Author: brindle sinister jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859132) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:35 AM Author: Fantasy-prone Set There are a number of factors that may have contributed to why Africans did not sail to Madagascar earlier.
Distance: The distance between the African mainland and Madagascar is significant, ranging from about 200 miles to over 1,000 miles, depending on the starting point. This would have made it a challenging and dangerous journey, especially with the technology available at the time. Winds and currents: The winds and currents in the Mozambique Channel, which separates Madagascar from Africa, can be unpredictable and treacherous. This would have made navigation difficult and increased the risk of shipwrecks. Lack of motivation: There may not have been a strong motivation for Africans to sail to Madagascar. The island was not particularly well-known at the time, and it did not have any obvious resources or attractions that would have made it worth the risk of a long and dangerous journey. |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:37 AM Author: aphrodisiac locus lol "the technology available at the time" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859146) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:48 AM Author: brindle sinister jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859218) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:39 AM Author: unholy stag film I love the passive "especially with the technology available at the time" But with the technology "available" to Europeans, Chinese, lol fucking Indonesians, a journey 10x-100x as long was nbd |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:40 AM Author: Fantasy-prone Set lack of african motivation tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859167) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:44 AM Author: Fragrant Harsh Boiling Water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859183) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:45 AM Author: sable passionate newt it did not have any obvious resources or attractions! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859192) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:46 AM Author: frum sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859201) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:48 AM Author: brindle sinister jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859219) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 12:02 PM Author: Swashbuckling parlor trust fund (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859282) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 12:04 PM Author: unholy stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859296) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 12:08 PM Author: Abnormal institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859319) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:27 PM Author: Vigorous self-centered orchestra pit sex offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860608) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:56 PM Author: maniacal pit Stereotypes of a black male misunderstood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860766) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:43 AM Author: sable passionate newt “The distance between the African mainland and Madagascar is significant, ranging from about 200 miles to over 1,000 miles, depending on the starting point.” this drastically understates the potential distance. if you’re starting from laâyoune, for instance, it would be a very long swim indeed. |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:46 AM Author: stubborn chest-beating yarmulke the last one is LJL, like no shit it didn't have any obvious resources or attractions because they'd never been there. the whole point of exploration is to discover that stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859200) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 7:34 PM Author: thirsty dog poop death wish should have been a tower of babel visible from 200 miles away (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46861470) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2024 12:23 PM Author: odious hospital This is a significantly shorter distance than between Cuba and Florida and Cubans regularly make the voyage with nothing but a couple of 2x4's a couple of cases of beer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#47430990) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:37 AM Author: bonkers lodge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859149) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:30 AM Author: Supple stage legal warrant I dont think its swimming distance? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859102) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:31 AM Author: Domesticated theater really tough guy (African looking at strange island from shore) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859109) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:34 AM Author: unholy stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859129) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:35 AM Author: brindle sinister jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859133) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:37 AM Author: Fragrant Harsh Boiling Water lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859144) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:46 AM Author: frum sweet tailpipe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859203) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2024 9:24 AM Author: heady center candlestick maker wow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#47430501) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:31 AM Author: Gaped dashing corner ceo For you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859112) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:39 AM Author: 180 ticket booth doctorate its 250 miles away from the mainland and not visible from shore. ljl at this weak ass thread. OP is a fucking retard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859162) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:41 AM Author: unholy stag film u mad (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859168) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 12:02 PM Author: 180 ticket booth doctorate at your shitty poast? yup. do better you worthless fucking fag or get the fuck off xo.
at least use google before you poast next time. laziness makes you look like an african. |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 12:05 PM Author: unholy stag film great sub thread would participate again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859298) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 7:14 PM Author: 180 ticket booth doctorate 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46861394) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:44 AM Author: Fighting whorehouse depressive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859186) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:46 AM Author: abusive meetinghouse gbtm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859199) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:17 PM Author: light federal box office There are seafaring civilizations that explored *much* farther away than that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860549) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:19 PM Author: comical seedy stage dopamine bantus did get to madagascar though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860566) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 7:15 PM Author: 180 ticket booth doctorate see “swimming distance” in thread title (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46861398) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:33 AM Author: olive anal resort Madagascar is 250 miles from Africa.
That stated, subsaharan Africans had never seen things like the wheel or cocks under 9” until European contact. |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:34 AM Author: unholy stag film bros at my HS used to swim 250 miles like nbd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859131) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:56 AM Author: olive anal resort Easy to go in a straight line with a big rudder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859255) |
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Date: August 18th, 2025 8:07 AM Author: Aggressive Histrionic Boltzmann Brunch Dense forests and rough terrain in many areas made wheeled transport less practical (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49193926) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:38 AM Author: Boyish school cafeteria rigpig any idea how exhausting it is to keep black women happy 24/7?
you expect afro dudes to THEN have the energy to go exploring |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:40 AM Author: Fragrant Harsh Boiling Water think of the Emotional Labor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859163) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:45 AM Author: Fighting whorehouse depressive For a ugly demographic they sure are entitled as fuck. Why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859195) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:47 AM Author: frum sweet tailpipe We coddle them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859207) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 11:51 AM Author: Fantasy-prone Set only entitled in USA, in africa they are humble, tribal, even reserved and quiet
ODD CASE |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 12:09 PM Author: Abnormal institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859321) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 10:15 PM Author: jet-lagged regret hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46862044) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 12:14 PM Author: comical seedy stage dopamine Unfortunately they did, and largely outbred the original Austronesian population in a matter of 5 centuries (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859358) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 1:11 PM Author: mustard church building coldplay fan Great thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46859664) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:05 PM Author: Pontificating site Madagascar genetics are super interesting.
rate the 16 yo daughter of the president https://www.tiktok.com/@ilona.elina/video/7282499282505141537 |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:09 PM Author: unholy stag film dindu hindu mix? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860512) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:10 PM Author: crawly fat ankles miles davis was this fwiw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860517) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:13 PM Author: unholy stag film I'm sure this is not true, he was a straight up black guy, nothing dot-Indian about him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860528) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:19 PM Author: crawly fat ankles nothing in his wiki about it but i read his autobiography recently and he said it was an important part of his identity. iirc his father is indian descended and his mother is straight up black in any case he was much too smart to be straight up black guy |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:21 PM Author: unholy stag film don't believe it for a second maybe part feather-Indian, but not dot-Indian, not with his background and at that time in history |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:25 PM Author: crawly fat ankles his dad was a wealthy dentist and they owned a farm. miles loved horseriding. they were not normal blacks by any stretch. what's truly unbelievable about it? indian immigration to USA existed at the time miles was born (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860596) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:35 PM Author: aphrodisiac locus it is feather indian-- lots of black dudes are part indian. Redd Foxx was like 1/4 feather indian. Miles Davis=definition of cool. He is NOT part dot indian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860650) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:37 PM Author: crawly fat ankles i admit this may be tcr. his book just said Indian, didn't specify dot or feather. conjecturally, it could go either way IMO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860675) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:39 PM Author: aphrodisiac locus Cherokee https://ampers.org/native-roots-of-jazz-miles-davis/ |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:40 PM Author: crawly fat ankles ok ty i'm retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860693) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:17 PM Author: comical seedy stage dopamine no, the malagasy people are about 60% black bantu and 40% asian austronesian. but people in the highlands are more asian and less black. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860547) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:46 PM Author: Pontificating site Cr. Merinas, the ethnic group of the president and his wife, are only ~30% bantu since they escaped to the central highlands when Bantus came. On top of that, they have a heavily regimented caste system literally based on the amount of Bantu ancestry you have and also practice strict endogamy. Both her parents are high caste Merinas so she probably has like ~10-15% Bantu admixture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860718) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:59 PM Author: comical seedy stage dopamine it's not just that they escaped to the central highlands. the thing is that the bantus were better genetically adapted to the climate...they have the sickle cell genes that convey malaria resistance, while the austronesians don't. so with each successive generation everyone in madagascar became progressively more bantu. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860777) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 5:18 PM Author: Pontificating site wow pretty cool ty https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-03342-5#Fig1 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860856) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 5:34 PM Author: comical seedy stage dopamine Nice job digging up the cite. I forgot to finish the thought in my original post, which is that the highlands have less malaria than the coasts, so there was less selection pressure for bantu ancestry there. But yeah, also took longer for the Bantus to get to the highlands. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860937) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:51 PM Author: Pontificating site she looks like that because she is majority Austronesian, who happen to look like a mix between Bantus and Indians but are actually extremely genetically distant from either group and only look like similar through convergent evolution. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860744) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 7:07 PM Author: comical seedy stage dopamine Austronesians don't look like a cross between bantus and Indiana, they look Filipino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46861371) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 4:18 PM Author: light federal box office Meets or exceeds minimum requirements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860558) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 10:13 PM Author: walnut cracking toilet seat den Being 16 is a big advantage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46862038) |
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Date: September 30th, 2023 8:04 AM Author: unholy stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46863118) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 5:38 PM Author: Orange Thriller Hissy Fit Dragon Africans had a giant continent full of tasty animals, why would they want to go paddle a canoe out into the ocean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46860966) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 7:23 PM Author: 180 ticket booth doctorate this. when food literally falls off trees all year round you lose the drive to explore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46861431) |
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Date: September 29th, 2023 7:45 PM Author: Gaped dashing corner ceo Such a lazy cop out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46861516) |
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Date: October 1st, 2023 8:03 PM Author: White feces It looks like Comoros may be visible from Africa, and then Madagascar should be visible from the other end of Comoros. So, it's not like all possible navigation would be completely without any visible path to Madagascar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#46870555) |
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Date: February 5th, 2024 7:11 PM Author: unholy stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#47369833) |
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Date: February 8th, 2024 3:00 PM Author: Fantasy-prone Set I suspect the shitlib argument is the currents or something but ljl niggas are just retarded, its not just MAD every single island wasnt "discovered" by them, look at cape verde or mauritius or whatever, its all so lolzy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#47380601) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2024 9:23 AM Author: unholy stag film I enjoyed making this thread got some lib pumos mad as fuck |
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Date: February 23rd, 2024 12:16 PM Author: Fantasy-prone Set its lolzy that the central highland areas has the NOWAG looking ppl but go to the coast where im now and there's not a single one, its 100% NIGGA... the NOWAGS found out the hard way u cannot live arnd niggas, there's no way they started in the highlands, when they first arrived the island had no one and they were definitely on the coast, but eventually bantu niggas came and though there was some intermixing (prob from rape) even the descendents who had part bantu DNA formed their own diff ethnic group and wanted to get the furk away, so they fled to the center of the islands into the mountain areas... its all so lolzy. some shitlibs will claim it was to escape malaria but the real malaria was NIGGAS (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#47430962) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2024 3:37 PM Author: unholy stag film never relax (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#47431883) |
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Date: June 29th, 2024 12:53 PM Author: unholy stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#47792206) |
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Date: June 29th, 2024 12:56 PM Author: Fantasy-prone Set I went to Madagascar this year and TBF it's shit dont visit its not worth it. Only kewl thing is seeing NOWAGS and partially looking NOWAGS but outside the capital u dont see many they are just subhuman niggas (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#47792213) |
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Date: December 18th, 2024 3:40 PM Author: unholy stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48462490) |
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Date: February 14th, 2025 10:30 AM Author: unholy stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5415154&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48659200) |
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