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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Vibrant Fantasy-prone Hospital

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48985020)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48997575)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49064860)



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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49070377)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49077411)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49084518)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49098591)



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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49101058)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49105012)



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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49117359)



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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49128622)



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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49141968)



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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49143857)



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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49156580)



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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49172980)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49421817)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49421862)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49421881)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49422254)



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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49424474)



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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49425035)



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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49425543)



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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49427654)



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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49436681)



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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:03 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49436785)



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Date: November 17th, 2025 6:11 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49439167)



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Date: November 18th, 2025 7:01 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49441985)



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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49454945)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49455274)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49457596)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49458108)



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Date: November 26th, 2025 12:15 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49461550)



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Date: November 26th, 2025 4:27 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49463581)



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Date: November 26th, 2025 10:41 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49464738)



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Date: November 27th, 2025 5:48 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49466319)



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Date: November 28th, 2025 12:55 AM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49467160)



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Date: December 2nd, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: clear fragrant dilemma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49478445)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 5:54 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49484240)



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Date: December 4th, 2025 9:25 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49484832)



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Date: December 7th, 2025 7:20 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49492316)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 12:55 AM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49493000)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:23 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49495268)



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Date: December 9th, 2025 3:57 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49497250)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: Curious Gunner Base

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: marvelous beta wrinkle patrolman

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: Curious Gunner Base

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: marvelous beta wrinkle patrolman

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: Curious Gunner Base

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Know-it-all yellow dysfunction

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: Walnut Flickering Mental Disorder Athletic Conference



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Hairraiser bronze community account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: irradiated fuchsia point half-breed

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Boyish Pocket Flask

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: puce frum rehab sandwich

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Know-it-all yellow dysfunction

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Blathering diverse gas station

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: soggy hominid

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: Adventurous fear-inspiring pistol

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: Misunderstood Toaster

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: irate mentally impaired plaza

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49458174)



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Date: December 8th, 2025 8:26 PM
Author: https://i.imgur.com/klfx8zs.jpeg


Most societies were nomadic. Home sapiens only became a settled species during the most recent 5% of our time on earth. There's absolutely nothing normal (or even good) about anything we do today, unless your goal is simply to put more people on the earth's surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=posted#49495273)