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Question about European feudalism.

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have m...
Wonderful den
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just walk outside bro
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(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)
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Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the la...
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Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitar...
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(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded ...
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They were better because you had different tribal clans owni...
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read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of ...
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Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the P...
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what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?
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Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as ba...
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  11/11/25
it was a nanny state.
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  11/24/25


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Date: June 14th, 2013 10:27 AM
Author: Wonderful den

Was this system as singularly shitty as it sounds, or have most societies historically been based on similar systems?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#23393887)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:29 AM
Author: Spruce Sanctuary Preventive Strike

just walk outside bro

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#48969812)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 4:30 AM
Author: Spruce Sanctuary Preventive Strike

(and yes, OP's country has a third world gini coefficient)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#48969813)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:24 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#48985020)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 5:55 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#48997575)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 9:14 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49064860)



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Date: July 3rd, 2025 8:14 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49070377)



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Date: July 6th, 2025 8:32 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2025 10:20 PM
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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: July 14th, 2025 5:12 PM
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Date: July 16th, 2025 3:43 AM
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Date: July 20th, 2025 8:00 PM
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Date: July 24th, 2025 5:37 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49128622)



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Date: July 29th, 2025 11:50 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49141968)



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Date: July 30th, 2025 6:59 PM
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Date: August 4th, 2025 6:52 PM
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Date: August 10th, 2025 8:35 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:33 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:48 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:57 PM
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Date: November 11th, 2025 11:28 PM
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Date: November 12th, 2025 7:15 PM
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Date: November 12th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 13th, 2025 1:21 AM
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Date: November 13th, 2025 4:52 PM
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Date: November 16th, 2025 8:27 PM
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Date: November 16th, 2025 9:03 PM
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Date: November 17th, 2025 6:11 PM
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Date: November 18th, 2025 7:01 PM
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Date: November 23rd, 2025 8:51 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 12:36 AM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 6:55 PM
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Date: November 24th, 2025 9:29 PM
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Date: November 26th, 2025 12:15 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49461550)



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Date: November 26th, 2025 4:27 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49463581)



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Date: November 26th, 2025 10:41 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49464738)



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Date: November 27th, 2025 5:48 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49466319)



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Date: November 28th, 2025 12:55 AM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49467160)



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Date: December 2nd, 2025 6:52 PM
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(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49478445)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:47 AM
Author: dun exciting fortuitous meteor

Have most large-scale agricultural civilizations over the last 5k years relegated the vast majority of their agricultural labor force /population to a state of semi-slavery enforced by an exploitative elite with a monopoly on violence?

yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#48969854)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:51 AM
Author: Rusted unholy orchestra pit azn

Yes, it was terrible, it was the first form of mass-egalitarianism. All the old Tribal Clans were abolished & people were turned into landless serfs, the only exceptions were the Elite Warlord Clans that got to rule as Lords/Kings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#48969860)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 5:55 AM
Author: dun exciting fortuitous meteor

(ignores every other form of mass-agriculture that preceded it)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#48969863)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 7:47 AM
Author: Rusted unholy orchestra pit azn

They were better because you had different tribal clans owning different regions, serfdom was a form of quasi-slavery, only the Kings/Lords had property rights.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#48969954)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: dun exciting fortuitous meteor

read the history of the early hydrological civilizations of egypt, mesopotamia, the indus and the yellow river valleys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#48971066)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 11:58 PM
Author: Razzmatazz bronze space windowlicker

Better to be a serf under a Warrior Clique (blessed by the Priestly Clique) than a humiliated cog of the Merchant Clique imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49065184)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 6:53 PM
Author: brass shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49098592)



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Date: July 13th, 2025 7:03 PM
Author: Sexy candlestick maker crackhouse



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49098608)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:52 AM
Author: bisexual hairraiser giraffe

what part of: the peasants are revolting, don't u get?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#48970037)



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Date: May 29th, 2025 8:54 AM
Author: Arousing Theatre Laser Beams

cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#48970041)



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Date: June 3rd, 2025 9:32 PM
Author: Honey-headed odious hell

I'd say that like slavery it probably depends on a lot on just where you are, so not singularly shitty just situation dependent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#48985033)



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Date: July 2nd, 2025 12:06 AM
Author: Razzmatazz bronze space windowlicker

teen black death survivors were the original Boomers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49065206)



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Date: June 8th, 2025 6:07 PM
Author: Talented scarlet stage fat ankles

i wish i could have sworn fealty to an employer like a serf to a feudal lord when i was younger. would have saved me a lot of pain cycling through shitty short-term jobs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#48997602)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 10:15 PM
Author: hot federal alpha

Serfs had tons of time off & feast days. It wasn't as bad as most people think. They didn't have running water or electricity, but neither did the rulers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49065026)



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Date: July 16th, 2025 4:01 AM
Author: at-the-ready aromatic queen of the night center

really depended on the country, the region, and the lord

removing technology from the equation it could range from far more harmonious than what we have today to utterly hellish. the general trend towards centralization of power from the early middle ages and on and the rise of the professional state theoretically ensures a general better standard of living for a subject on average, or at the very least a set "floor" for QoL, but ends up removing a lot to do with the nuances of power relations and enduring senses of community in the process

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49105022)



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Date: November 11th, 2025 8:49 PM
Author: sooty soggy chapel

It worked out really well for most folks. Asia had similar systems in place for thousands of years and they were stable societies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49421865)



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Date: November 24th, 2025 10:06 PM
Author: Seedy Address

it was a nanny state.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2281707&forum_id=2\u0026show=today",#49458174)