there is a ton of hard historical evidence that the earthly events of much of the Bible including Jesus's life actually more or less happened

there is absolutely ZERO evidence that Mohammed ever existed or that anything remotely like what is described in the "Koran" ever happened

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805717&forum_id=2\u0026show=week",#49480131)

i think pre-islamic arabia wasn't a particularly literate society though, there isn't much in the way of records from tribes and states documenting what life in the region was like in the period before muhammed and the conquest of the caliphates

neither the persians or the byzantines really had much of a presence in the region and the earlier romans considered it to be of too little importance or trade value to conquer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805717&forum_id=2\u0026show=week",#49480150)

and there is a lot of evidence that Mecca, to the extent that there was such a place, could not have been in modern day Mecca, this academic had a whole career at Oxford Cambridge and Princeton dedicated to this question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Crone and she was certain that the "Mecca" of the "Koran" must have been somewhere completely different, probably Petra, a hypothesis for which others have since provided a lot of supporting evidence

the next step some take is that the whole figure of Mohammed was essentially invented and retrofitted at the same time as a "holy city" was invented and retrofitted for the purposes of legitimizing some new dynasty (in the same way the Saudi royal family claims legitimacy as the "guardian of the holy mosques of mecca and medina"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805717&forum_id=2\u0026show=week",#49480164)

i think that like with the romans and some of the earlier church councils they (the Abbasids) took fragmented sources of prophets and holy

men and concocted a pro-state religious system out of it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805717&forum_id=2\u0026show=week",#49480190)

that said no, polytheism is low development trash and not even worth engaging with substantially

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805717&forum_id=2\u0026show=week",#49480136)

but it turns out that probably much of what the "koran" described is as completely fabricated as that, pretty much everything, there is essentially zero historical evidence that anything described in that "book" ever happened, ever, at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805717&forum_id=2\u0026show=week",#49480139)

https://youtu.be/5tth1QVg780?si=2WN5cnZnK5w9KDal

https://youtu.be/_0trRFKijmA?si=4okYsETgbqwcuIeL

https://youtu.be/K2JdTrZO1To?si=vUN83dV7QvljDmYt (this one is excellent, Tom Holland, got shown on British TV but then the station completely freaked out and disavowed it and doesn't make it available to stream anymore but it's still on YT)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805717&forum_id=2\u0026show=week",#49480117)

"He then mentioned some small beings, as if they were people from India or however Allah willed, without clothes, yet I could not see their private parts, tall and thin. They came and began to ride on the Messenger of Allah ﷺ while he recited to them. They would come and surround me, making sounds that frightened me greatly, so I sat there or as it was said. When the dawn broke, they started to leave."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5805717&forum_id=2\u0026show=week",#49480268)