- Small businesses have been decimated, people are rapidly losing faith in the economy; Trump is better for this than Biden, but neither is great. This predisposes people to violence.

- Left has dominant control of media and academia but not enough institutional governmental power to really solidify control on major issues.

- Leftism continues to rush headlong away from all normalcy, this will continue to push people to the right.

- Politics are now a litmus test for social acceptance, which radicalizes moderates by forcing them to take a side.

- There are severe and sincere beliefs on both sides of the political spectrum of structures they face that are "unfair" (electoral college v. popular vote, SCOTUS makeup, immigration and demographic shift).

- Neither side has great faith in the legitimacy of government, and average civic investment is remarkably low.

- More gun owners than ever.

- There is about to be a wildly contested election.

- Street violence will only escalate over time, which radicalizes fence sitters.

- Police are being hamstrung while mobs are lionized -- this will alienate everyone who is not a member of the mobs.

How the fuck do you not see this as yet to blow? Trump wasn't elected after Bush & Obama because half the country was happy lmao. The backlash against neoliberalism is here from both fringes, and it's growing. This has yet to really kick off.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41129009)

Your poast is idiotic because it neglects to mention that the Left has captured ALL vital institutions. Not some, literally all of them. They also have all the capital.

It also doesn’t take the controlled opposition framework into account. It is no accident that McCain, Romney, and Jeb Bush were 2008 GOP nominee, 2012 GOP nominee, and presumed front runner 2016 GOP nominee. Trump was the outsider who busted this open, and he is soon to be dealt with, with no outsider ever again permitted to sniff the WH.

Trump has literally no allies. The GOP is controlled and does not support him. Dems don’t support him. And unfortunately for him, military leadership doesn’t support him either. He will be forcibly removed if necessary, but the GOP will say how it’s the right thing for the country. Bubba and his band of yokels won’t be able to do shit about it, and if they try, they can enjoy the massive boot that comes crashing down along with the entire media apparatus calling them dangerous traitors.

You cannot win a war with no institutions and no money. You will understand this pretty soon, as your delusions get dashed in front of your face

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41132480)

You ignore all of the warrants I listed, and it seems also missed the larger point: collapse and destabilization are coming, whether or not civil war is. What part of my poast made you think that my position is "the election will start boog and Trump or GOP, Inc. will win"?? The point is that after the election, no matter who wins, people will continue to radicalize. This is unsustainable.

Your controlled opposition point literally adds emphasis to my "government lacks legitimacy and public support" argument. Meanwhile, you ignore that:

- Trump has convinced people that outsiders can win; whether or not they do in the future, it dumps massive belief of feasibility onto every attempt at an outsider campaign. If they don't, government legitimacy diminishes even faster.

- Trump, in fact, has plenty of allies -- the GOP is not a monolith. There will be plenty in hard-to-find-and-fire positions that remain when he is gone, whether this election or the next. You're correct, however, that the majority of the party is establishment control.

- Right wing politicians have been painted a path to victory: populism. Trump, despite being quite a bad candidate and pretty bad at governing, has been successful in large part because of populist promises. There's not a good answer from either of the major parties to the death of the middle class/wage stagnation/perpetual capital-less serfdom that most Americans face; this is why Sanders et al. have the allure they do -- they are otherwise a pretty fucking incapable and unappealing group. COVID exacerbates this -- all of the protectionism arguments that have always appealed to the working class are now garnering support in ivory towers also thanks to the revealed perils of supply chain weakness. In sum, Trump is the first but he won't be the last.

- According to the latest national shitpolls (since deconstructed by borders tp!), more than 40% of the country would vote for Trump today. Do you think that their ressentiment and grievances will disappear? If Trump loses and his followers are subject to national castigation, why would that not simply push half the country further towards radicalization? (You are literally feeding my "personalization of politics radicalizes more" argument.) I'd be open to some warrants here about how institutions shape people and the masses being easily molded, but I don't think that's how it'll go, at this point.

- Social media (especially tiktok) has polarized norms among the youth. There is a sharp generational divide wrought by different informational ecosystems that has resulted in separate Overton windows between the generations, particularly zoomers who are moved by vibes more than anything tangibly articulable. Even within zoomers, there's are significantly different informational streams and ecosystems, which largely exist along the male/female divide. These differences will only grow, and the disparities will accelerate. The angry young man is back.

- In the next 10-15 years, we will have a sovereign debt crisis and we're also probably looking at an inflation problem in the next two years (economists will be studying COVID stimulus responses for decades). The combination of those things seems, at least to my untrained eye, like a fucking nightmare because most of the deflationary monetary tools will make the debt problem worse. This isn't sustainable.

You are also wrong about all the capital -- the right, in its motley collective form, has plenty of capital under a big "fuck libs" umbrella, and I anticipate that more billionaires will shift rightward to form a more clearly defined counter elite (Silicon Valley + finance), which will seek to capture institutions like media and academia. Obviously most of it isn't in the hands of those who are ready to go to war rn, but the billionaires will grow more radical as well when it looks like "family values neoliberalism" has done nothing but lose, and their enemies start to really put the screws to them. What's more, it doesn't take capital to start a civil war -- it takes anger. Plenty of poor people are capable of violence, as you can see from the Summer of George chimpouts.

As far as winning, the right will dominate if a civil war ever materializes, although the left will rule the cities for a little while first. South Africanization is much more likely though.

Bubba and the Yokels -- good band name -- aren't going marching this time, but they'll want to, and soon more will join them. It'll take more rioting, more lack of government legitimacy, more radicalization, and more time before it gets there. But it's coming.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41132755)

But here's the reality - right now, Trump is in power. There's a lot of left-wing bullshit, but right-wingers are calm because they feel represented. If the Left shows up, ends up controlling congress and the executive branch, starts packing the court to grab power in the judicial branch, starts adding states, and so on there's going to be outright violence. States may start looking at breaking away. The concept that right-wingers are going to give up like a bunch of strung-out potheads and go home and play PS5 is laughably naive. This isn't how it has worked anywhere. I get that Americans think this country is somehow super unique, but look at how this plays out throughout history. Even in the China, the USSR, Korea, and Vietnam there were massive civil wars first.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133729)

Very interested to see how international actors try to manipulate the chaos.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133819)

But they have no idea what they're dealing with or what it will look like. Neither one of them have deep roots in this country or truly understand why people aren't going to go quietly into oblivion. Once those "dumb prole hillbillies" truly feel they have nothing to lose because their country has been stolen from them shit is going to get real.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133859)

Libs who have been inured from any physical hardship by extremely soft lives seem to think that condition will persist no matter their choices. I'm curious to see if they are widely disabused of this at any point before the actual shooting starts.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133912)

Amazing how people who get it, get it. And how people who don’t, don’t.

And IQ and education levels really do seem to play relatively little part in that divide.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41770367)

Makes me wonder what it takes to see it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41770868)

By the way, never responded to this excellent question. The reality is that these days politics is international. Right-wingers back each other around the world, and Leftists back each other too. For example, Obama fought against Brexit in the UK even though it isn't the US's choice. Trump is close to Bibi in Israel and actively campaigned for him.

You'll see shitlibs backing the Left in the US and rightwingers around the world backing the Right. That said, a few actors (China in particular) are most interested in US power waning overall, no matter who wins. You can expect these actors to push chaos. BLM? Antifa? Right wing militias? I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that all of the above get Chinese cash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41137298)

Russia has distinct interest in US remaining strong to counter China.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41138624)

IRL, the US fucked up foreign policy post-USSR. If they correctly identified that the future was shifting towards China they would have quickly worked to bring Russia on their side. Instead, they focused on beating down Russia as much as possible while China experienced massive growth. Antagonizing Russia also drove them into an alliance with China.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41142135)

But the good news is this stuff is testable and we will see who is right in the months to come. My prediction is you will be bitterly disappointed at how things unfold

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133934)

But they will meet the fate of the squirt gun against the trained army

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133993)

Like I said, your performance ITT is almost entirely your intellect being used to support your wishful thinking which is not grounded in reality. Neither of us will be able to convince the other. I am extremely confident in my connection to reality and therefore in my predictive abilities, and this is why I will let the future do the talking for me. There are many details I can’t predict but I certainly can predict the overall conclusion which is that your desired populist right wing revolution is nothing more than a pipe dream, and I will happily point it out to you when this becomes obvious to all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41134038)

Your failure to grasp specifics is why your big picture is wrong. I'm not saying there'll be a "revolution" -- I'm saying the current economic and political climate is unsustainable, and a collapse is coming.

Buy ammo -- if you're right and don't need it, you can go to the range in 10 or 30 years. You'll want it if you're wrong though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41134071)

I don’t see a chance in hell of a right wing populist uprising. Further, I’ve figured that if shit really does hit the fan then I will likely just die relatively early. I don’t really possess true survival skills, kind of figure if it happens it happens

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41134090)

This is as plausible as cops going door to door grabbing guns if guns were outlawed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41134024)

This conversation is a waste. Good thing is both of us will receive an objective test of who is right: the future. If XO is still around at that point, I will make sure to log on and gloat to you about how wrong you were, and laugh about your right wing revolution that never materialized

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133963)

And you will remember my conclusion: There will be no right wing revolution in the future

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133980)

“I’m just the ultimate blackpilled ultra-intelligent realist who, unlike the rest of you, can see clearly that we are finally—finally!—at the End of History(TM)! PS: Globalist Jews just happen to win and enjoy an endless victory, OK?”

Lol oh ok bro sounds like you got this all figured out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41770406)

I'd vote for a non-zionist populist in a fucking heartbeat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41767338)

Even if the Democrats somehow keep a lid on the violence after this election, they'll be stuck between antifa/blm Marxists that want to destroy the whole system, and Republicans that actually really liked Trump and remember that life was much better under him. All that is left is old Democrats, some corporate shrews that will turn on the Democrats when they realize that "oppression of women in the workplace" isn't real but now they fear getting raped/robbed in broad daylight now that their police is defunded. These women really are bird-brains that are easy to manipulate with feel-good platitudes ("that's not who we are" "we stand with black lives") but when they're actually scared and when HR starts telling them they need fewer whites/Asians so they're fired and it is a tough economy they're going to get a reality check. So then you'll get two ultra-polarized sides in a no-holds barred national conflict. My hope is that we'll divide the country into two nations but I think that's an extremely optimistic result.

tl;dr - it is going to get ugly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133707)

Also strong point about the nature of women -- they will try to bail as soon as they realize their woke allies want to empower the people they are most afraid of.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133827)

Agreed on the division issue. But theoretically, population transfers can happen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133879)

It really is like the degradation of politics of the late Roman Republic - where there was a time where people really did trust and truly believe in these institutions - then became fully weaponized against political enemies. Maybe once upon a time if you were convicted in the forum - everyone believed you were guilty of some wrong. By 50s BC - if you're convicted it was more, welp - he was on the losing side of some war...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133990)

Don't underestimate the reactionary potential if things get bad, or the potential for people to recognize the enemy.

The cultural dominance isn't some permanently ceded ground, it's the reason for why things are headed for a collision. If it were an inevitable victory - it would easily be steered away from any resistance whatsoever

https://imgur.com/a/F9MfY04

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41134036)

Nope, I think it was just endless Jewish leftwing dominance over the West from there on out ultimately ending in white genocide, right? Not a “history guy” maybe someone can confirm that that’s what has happened over the last 1,000 years or so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41771153)

"The demos has always been problematic for liberalism, and indeed the electoral franchise was restricted for so long precisely because of uncertainty over where genuine ‘democracy’ might lead. To their great relief, the great ‘democratising’ conservative leaders of the late 19th. century, like Bismarck and Salisbury, saw that extending the franchise did not inevitably lead to leftism and a wholesale attack on privilege, but that there was a significant conservative ballast even amongst those apparently least privileged. In the social and political turmoils in the aftermath of the First World War and the Russian Revolution this conservative ballast not only resisted socialism, it also leant support to Fascism, to the stupefied chagrin of the Frankfurt School and other Marxists. The problem of ‘deconstructing’ this conservatism inherent in the demos became the central project of the intellectual left throughout the 20th century."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41134052)

Legutko's book -- which the above is in review of -- is pretty good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41142044)

Who said there would be 0% chance of any sort of civil war ever occurring, and who is convinced we still could have one??

As I said, we already fought a civil war, it’s just that our side lost without even realizing the fight occurred

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41689257)

There is no contest here. Tards scuffle, but the elite is not remotely challenged

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133758)

Maybe one group could get off a surprise hit - poison a city or bomb a house of Congress. After that it’s be Patriot Act up our ass and quarantine for five years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41133794)

The Mujahideen in Afghanistan.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41142168)

Just put it in terms that corporate lawyers can understand more easily: There is a genuine belief, among certain segments of the “useful fool” Left, that Corporations(TM) are these incredibly sophisticated monolithic entities that function efficiently like Terminator-style beings to identify new ways to oppress marginalized communities and enact evil $-extracting policies.

But as anyone who has actually serviced F100 clients for any extended period of time knows, this is laughable. They’re almost always massive, sprawling, hilariously inefficient behemoths filled with Boomers, brain dead drones, and some craven corporate psychopaths who are all out for themselves only with absolutely no larger concern or plan. That’s the sad and mundane truth of it.

I strongly suspect that’s largely the case with respect to geopolitics, as well—subject to some narrow but important exceptions (truly high level tribal cabals, etc.)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41770513)

Yep and massive and endlessly powerful empires are all but unbeatable and essentially self-sustaining...

...until they’re not.

Hmm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4653326&forum_id=2#41770486)