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Fox News accuses Tucker of BREACHING his contract with twitter show
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Date: June 7th, 2023 5:31 PM Author: Heady idiot resort https://www.axios.com/2023/06/07/fox-news-tucker-carlson-contract-breach (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400581) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 5:35 PM Author: Startling slimy fortuitous meteor twinkling uncleanness "Carlson’s lawyers told Axios that any legal action by Fox would violate his First Amendment rights."
Tucker, you need some better lawyers, bro. |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:04 PM Author: Aggressive deranged friendly grandma forum lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400823) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:05 PM Author: lime alpha hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400824) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:51 PM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400988) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 9:36 PM Author: Razzle-dazzle nowag meetinghouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401391) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 5:06 AM Author: balding comical piazza voyeur That appears to be an uneducated reporter's legalistic rephrasing of what was purely a rhetorical PR argument. The lawyers didn't say that, and it obviously isn't his legal position.
----------------------------- Carlson’s lawyers told Axios that any legal action by Fox would violate his First Amendment rights.
“Fox defends its very existence on freedom of speech grounds. Now they want to take Tucker Carlson’s right to speak freely away from him because he took to social media to share his thoughts on current events," said Carlson's lawyer, Bryan Freedman, in a statement to Axios |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:44 AM Author: Startling slimy fortuitous meteor twinkling uncleanness (Tucker's lawyer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402909) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 12:25 PM Author: lime alpha hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46403311) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 5:21 AM Author: fear-inspiring mildly autistic international law enforcement agency (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402176) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 5:41 PM Author: garnet garrison lol, why the fuck would fox news be willing to pay tucker through 2025 to do absolutely nothing instead of releasing him from his contract and paying him nothing
the only rational explanation for this is some kind of elaborate conspiracy theory involving fox execs being willing to light millions of dollars on fire in order to marginalize their perceived political opposition, which is a pretty "odd case" considering that they were previously paying this guy to do political commentary on their own network
an "odd case" indeed, goy |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 5:43 PM Author: Provocative chrome cuckold karate Because they don't want Tucker rallying his viewers against Fox, they want Fox viewers to go back to them like beaten dogs with tails tucked between their legs in the name of 'owning the libs'. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400609) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 5:48 PM Author: garnet garrison tucker is not "competing against" fox news. people watching tucker on whatever other platform is not mutually exclusive with people watching fox news
i guess the other possibility is that fox leadership is irrational, stupid, and psychologically butthurt to the point where they are willing to light millions of dollars on fire to spite tucker because they are cognitively 12 years old. which is probably the more likely possibility tbh |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 5:49 PM Author: Provocative chrome cuckold karate If Tucker rallies against Fox, people will seek out alternative outlets as Fox's credibility will be in question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400630) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 5:52 PM Author: garnet garrison that would be covered by some other clause in their contract that barred tucker from publicly disparaging fox news. which he has not done since he left fox, other than a couple very vague general comments about "people in the media being dishonest" yada yada yada
this article and fox's complaint is specifically that tucker is broadcasting a show "in competition with" fox's own product, which as i stated above is just nonsensical |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 5:54 PM Author: Federal Old Irish Cottage Legal Warrant Fox is saying he lies. How is it competing against Fox if he tells lies on Twitter while Fox continues to report the truth? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400641) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 5:57 PM Author: Provocative chrome cuckold karate Per the Dominion lawsuit he lied for Fox along with the rest of the network though. Does Fox want to go there as Dominion never sued Tucker personally? Tucker was only sued through Fox with which Tucker is no longer affiliated with. Tucker has more leverage here. lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400651) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 5:50 PM Author: Gold love of her life Fox is probably being paid to censor Carlson (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400633) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 5:45 PM Author: bisexual heaven yeah why would a media outlet want to control the narrative (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400619) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:06 PM Author: lime alpha hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400826) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 6:00 PM Author: Spruce Mad-dog Skullcap Huge mystery
Wonder if that date has any sort of significance
Huge mystery |
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Date: June 13th, 2023 1:46 AM Author: lime alpha hissy fit this proves they set up the conspiracy way back when Tuckie signed his contract! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46420857) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 9:24 AM Author: Thirsty quadroon Noncompetes have a lot of value especially if it’s with a would be direct competitor… (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402542) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 5:51 PM Author: Federal Old Irish Cottage Legal Warrant This is supposed to stop Tucker from putting videos on Twitter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400636) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:10 PM Author: Judgmental Bbw Well, they cannot just shut down his twitter account now, so they try other things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400838) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:56 PM Author: Federal Old Irish Cottage Legal Warrant What's supposed to happen though? Judge issues a TRO? Or Tucker can tweet but has to pay money to Fox? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401001) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 8:04 PM Author: Judgmental Bbw People empathize with Tucker over big bad corporation, Tucker wins several jury trials, buys Fox News with money Fox pays up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401022) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 8:24 PM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401084) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 6:01 PM Author: demanding 180 tanning salon mood Those darn Australian crypto Jews at it again! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400657) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 6:02 PM Author: Electric mint step-uncle's house giraffe non-compete agreements must be for multiple years and cover the entire continent in order to be enforceable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400663) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 6:25 PM Author: Racy Splenetic Locale Cr. They also need to be really broad and cover a wide range of industries (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400718) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 6:35 PM Author: curious main people fat ankles You would think for however many tens of millions FNC offered him in the contract that he would have agreed to such a broad non compete clause. I mean if someone's offering you 20, 30mm you go, "Okay" and sign on the dotted line. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400746) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 6:38 PM Author: Stirring lay Could a court actually order Tucker off media as a remedy? If not, maybe Musk agreed to finance any dispute with Fox over this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400755) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:12 PM Author: Khaki coldplay fan Of course it can if Fox negotiated a noncompete, it’s enforceable, and they’re willing to pay him to sit at home. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400844) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:21 PM Author: Heady idiot resort But he's not being paid anything for the Twitter videos. Elon has said there is no deal of any sort.
Would have to say the language of the contract to have an actual informed opinion though. |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:24 PM Author: Aggressive deranged friendly grandma forum (guy who thinks noncompetes are so former employees can’t earn a salary elsewhere) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400879) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:56 PM Author: Khaki coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401003) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:56 PM Author: Heady idiot resort This isn't really like a traditional noncompete agreement, which deals with what happens after an employee leaves or the contract expires.
It's the terms of his contract that he is still under that likely says he can't work for anybody else while he's under contract. Making 10 minute twitter videos is not working for somebody else. I don't see how you could read a contract term that would prohibit him making these videos that wouldn't also prohibit him from using Twitter or other social media period. |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 9:03 PM Author: Exhilarant liquid oxygen spot It’s entirely conceivable that the contract has a provision preventing him from doing political commentary on social media during his non-compete period. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401224) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 11:25 PM Author: Odious dysfunction How would you define "political commentary"? If he went on Joe Rogan for 3 hours and talked about the election would that be allowed? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401693) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:21 AM Author: Exhilarant liquid oxygen spot These things are defined in contracts all the time. It would likely apply to Tucker hosting a show that is similar to his fox show. Appearing as a guest? I imagine that wouldn’t apply because it isn’t tucker’s showed. But it’s not that hard to write these types of provisions. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46403054) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:54 AM Author: Odious dysfunction He's independently uploading a clip to social media of him speaking about various topics and presumably there is no contract with Twitter or anybody else to do this.
It would be extremely hard to draft an enforceable provision to bar this.
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Date: June 8th, 2023 9:21 PM Author: Exhilarant liquid oxygen spot Enforceability is a separate issue from drafting the contract, which we discussed up thread.
The law varies a lot on non-compete by state but in some states you can enforce a bar on competition with the former employer especially where the employee is high value/unique. Ultimately whether this uploading is enforceable against this conduct will depend on the contract and the law of the state. |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 10:10 PM Author: thriller primrose coffee pot Standard talent agreements usually include an Exclusivity covenant that grants the network the exclusive right to the talent's services in all media for the contract term. Additionally, such agreements often include a condition that the network is under no obligation to actually use the talent's services. These contracts often provide for injunctive relief as a remedy for breach because of the special, unique, unusual, and extraordinary value and character of the talent's services.
As long as Fox continues paying Tucker pursuant to his contract, Tucker will be required to comply with those obligations. With respect to appearing on podcasts/TV shows/etc. as a guest or writing a book, I'd imagine there's a process for getting approval from the network. |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 10:16 PM Author: Heady idiot resort And their remedy for a breach by Tucker of that is to treat it as a material breach and terminate the contract. No way is a court going to issue an injunction banning Tucker from using twitter lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401502) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:18 AM Author: crawly base To be fair,
lmao this |
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Date: June 12th, 2023 11:56 AM Author: thriller primrose coffee pot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46417973) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:21 AM Author: Federal Old Irish Cottage Legal Warrant He's just tweeting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46403055) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 9:26 AM Author: Thirsty quadroon No deal means there’s no negotiated deal. Tucker still gets revenue share that other content creators participate in… (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402551) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:19 PM Author: white kitchen God damn, you people are morons. There's no need for an elaborate conspiracy to explain why Fox wants to enforcement a noncompete or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400856) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:23 PM Author: Heady idiot resort there odd part is why they'd apparently rather specifically enforce the non-compete by getting him to stop rather than just use this as an excuse not to pay him the huge remainder of the contract. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400871) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:25 PM Author: Aggressive deranged friendly grandma forum Because their network is worth more than the paltry sum they’re paying Tucker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400886) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 7:26 PM Author: garnet garrison ??? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46400893) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 9:08 PM Author: Unhinged buff mediation box office ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401240) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 9:22 PM Author: shivering apoplectic gaming laptop church jfc you are mentally retarded. like actually retarded. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401307) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 8:34 AM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman lol you wanna reread this subthread and then try again? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402381) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 9:10 PM Author: white kitchen Because they don't want him to compete with them, hence specifically negotiating a noncompete. Are you confused every time someone wants to enforce a contract? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401250) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 9:17 PM Author: garnet garrison there's no "competition" happening here dude, lol. that's why this is all so silly and noteworthy
some normie watching a tucker clip on twitter on his lunch break does not prevent him from watching hannity on fox at 8pm or whenever. they are objectively not in competition with each other, at all
god damn everything really is an IQ test |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 9:19 PM Author: Heady idiot resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401288) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 9:31 PM Author: Indigo Stage Keepsake Machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401361) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 9:57 PM Author: white kitchen What the fuck do you know about any of this? FNC obviously wants to remain THE mainstream source for right wing news. Letting their former biggest star run off and do his own thing is a huge risk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401452) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 10:08 PM Author: Heady idiot resort probably shouldn't have fired him then. because they're gonna have a hard time convincing a judge to grant a mandatory injunction preventing him from making social media videos for no money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401479) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 10:13 PM Author: white kitchen This is another aspect of xo "analysis" of events that is so maddening. In the real world, people don't wait to act until they have a surefire zero risk plan. Maybe firing him will turn out to be a mistake, and maybe it won't. But if you decide you need to fire him, you just do it, and then you do what you can to make him as irrelevant as possible. Will all this be risk free and guaranteed to work? Of course not, nothing is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401493) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 10:22 PM Author: Heady idiot resort Firing him will turn out to be a mistake if they actually thought they could muzzle him for two years and that it was important to do so. If they felt it was necessary to fire him despite the significant risk that they could not do so, then that is a different question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401514) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 10:26 PM Author: white kitchen That's not a real world perspective. Even if they knew they wouldn't be able to muzzle him with zero risk, that doesn't mean they don't still try to slow him down as much as possible. This is not a binary outcome--it would be ideal for Fox if he fell of the earth, sure, but everything that makes him less of a "thing" helps while Fox is trying to reorient. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401521) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 9:22 PM Author: Exhilarant liquid oxygen spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46405702) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 10:27 PM Author: Indigo Stage Keepsake Machete yeah but there's no way they have an enforceable non-compete which would stop him from sharing random viewpoints on twitter, it's not a matter of "risk free", it's a matter of this was bound to fail if their plan was to keep him completely quiet for two years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401523) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 10:27 PM Author: Heady idiot resort exactly (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401529) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 10:39 PM Author: white kitchen Nobody is saying that the plan was to keep him completely silent. You people are idiots. Have you never dealt with... anything? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401559) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 10:49 PM Author: Heady idiot resort You posting affect is no different than a typical reddit loser with a baseless air of being a "serious" person who has seen it all. All of this faggotry in a single thread.
> "God damn, you people are morons. There's no need for an elaborate conspiracy"
> "Are you confused every time someone wants to enforce a contract?"
> "This is another aspect of xo "analysis" of events that is so maddening. In the real world, people don't wait to act until they have a surefire zero risk plan"
> "That's not a real world perspective."
>"You people are idiots. Have you never dealt with... anything?"
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Date: June 7th, 2023 10:57 PM Author: white kitchen You guys are complete and utter idiots, though. Just totally stupid. Unable to think clearly. Mentally deficient to an extent that engaging you other than to abuse you serves no purpose. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401617) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 11:01 PM Author: Heady idiot resort (Autistic freak, but one who knows how alphas do it in the REAL WORLD) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401640) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 11:04 PM Author: white kitchen Oh boo hoo you can't say stupid things on the internet without it being pointed out that you're a moron. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401647) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 10:51 PM Author: Indigo Stage Keepsake Machete then what the fuck is your point here. we're saying they won't be able to stop him from doing this and your problem with that is . . . what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401593) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 11:00 PM Author: Heady idiot resort he sperged out over my note that "maybe fox shouldn't have fired him then" which led to this. it was like he thought I was giving an actual analysis of Fox's decision making that he (as a serious person who knows how things are done in the REAL WORLD) instead of just making a throwaway comment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401633) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 11:02 PM Author: white kitchen Your comment was utterly stupid. One of the most idiotic things I've ever read in my life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401643) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 11:21 PM Author: Heady idiot resort you sound like a guy who has suffered recent head trauma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401686) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 11:30 PM Author: white kitchen no u (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401712) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 9:32 PM Author: Federal Old Irish Cottage Legal Warrant How is he competing against them if he's lying? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401368) |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 8:08 PM Author: carmine soul-stirring mad cow disease area Fox wants to pay Tucker to do nothing?
Wow. They must be scared. |
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Date: June 7th, 2023 10:58 PM Author: Nighttime Ticket Booth Sex Offender This isn't about competition. They'll do whatever it takes to silence tucker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46401625) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 8:47 AM Author: mahogany patrolman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402429) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 2:10 AM Author: impressive peach corner This is all very jewish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402090) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 8:41 AM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman I'm not a lawyer. What exactly are Tucker's options, either for breaking the contract or continuing in spite of it?
Can he simply say that because he isn't being compensated (edit: for his online videos, by a competitor to Fox), and is simply broadcasting through his personal account on social media, he's not in competition? |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 8:48 AM Author: mahogany patrolman He is being compensated. Fox is basically paying tens of millions to keep him off air. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402434) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 8:56 AM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman I meant that he's not being compensated by Twitter, or some other competitor to Fox, so it's not as if there's clear cut competition.
Tucker signed the contract to be compensated for broadcasting a show. I'm sure that The answer to this depends on the wording of the contract, but it seems to me that he could potentially say that part of the contract is Fox providing him the opportunity to broadcast, and that they cannot simply pay him to shut up for two years. Am I entirely off base here? |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 9:12 AM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman I would like to find a lawyer on this naked bodybuilding cryptocurrency antisemitism forum who can answer this for me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402510) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 9:30 AM Author: Thirsty quadroon It wouldn’t matter, but of course Tucker is being compensated. Twitter pays content creators based on views etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402562) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 9:45 AM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman Ty. Why wouldn't it matter? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402616) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:35 AM Author: Thirsty quadroon Why would it matter? The point of a noncompete is to protect your own interests from competition. Why should it make a difference whether your competitor doesn’t take cash for his activities. If someone gives away confidential info freely do you also think NDAs haven’t been breached? I just don’t understand the thinking here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402858) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:02 AM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman I assumed that noncompete clauses would be structured in such a way that they reference working for a competitor. It seems like it would be somewhat legally tenuous to say a 10 minute social media video on a personal account is in competition with a cable news network. Are they normally structured differently? How is competition normally defined?
Ty for the answers |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:19 AM Author: garnet garrison can you explain how tucker making video clips on twitter is "competing with" fox news?
why/how would a consumer watching a tucker clip on twitter prevent or affect them watching a fox news broadcast at some other point in time? |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:20 AM Author: Federal Old Irish Cottage Legal Warrant Fox reserves the right to reactivate Tucker's show and force him to do monologues for THEM. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46403046) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:24 AM Author: crawly base To be fair,
CR, and if they do that, they can literally have cops come seize him and drag him to the studio and then they can chain him to the desk and force him to speak at gunpoint! I mean, he's CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED! Jeez, does anyone even "law" here anymore?! |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:43 PM Author: Exhilarant liquid oxygen spot Well Fox News also makes video clips with political commentary so the analysis may be straightforward. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46405944) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:19 AM Author: Federal Old Irish Cottage Legal Warrant I thought the purpose was so that you could share trade secrets with your employees without fear that they'll run to the competition after they learn how you operate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46403043) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 9:47 AM Author: Federal Old Irish Cottage Legal Warrant I think you're right. Isn't the remedy for breach of noncompete that you forfeit any income you earn to your old employer? Tucker can give Fox the $0.25 he makes off this but I don't think Fox can force him to keep his mouth shut about Ukraine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402624) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 9:55 AM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman I have no idea about specifics of contract law, I am not a lawyer. But if so, ljl @ Fox.
I'm also sort of interested in whether a distinction can be made between a personality posting on their own social media account, and actual competition. |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:37 AM Author: Thirsty quadroon The normal remedy for a breach of restrictive covenants like NDA, non solicit non compete etc is an injunction precisely because it’s hard to show damages or they otherwise wouldn’t be adequate … (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402873) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:18 AM Author: Federal Old Irish Cottage Legal Warrant So Tucker will be threatened with criminal contempt if he tweets? ljl@ that shit being enforced/upheld. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46403036) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:26 AM Author: crawly base To be fair,
MFCR
Absolutely amazing that their are libs in here who truly believe that American courts are going to send Tucker Carlson to jail in 2023/2024 because he won't stop tweeting about the Ukraine war. America is dead, but the corpse isn't THAT cold yet.
Really makes you wonder what else these ((("people"))) are completely wrong and insane and delusional about... |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:44 PM Author: Exhilarant liquid oxygen spot If he lost the lawsuit and then willfully violated an injunction? Sure why not? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46405952) |
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Date: June 9th, 2023 1:06 AM Author: lime alpha hissy fit there's this little thing called the 1st Amendment, champ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46406437) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 8:51 AM Author: stimulating school I think his dumb 10 minute ufo rant was purely to set up a test case over this precise legal issue. Musk or some right wing 1A interest group agreed to fund tuckers legal bills. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402445) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 9:48 AM Author: Federal Old Irish Cottage Legal Warrant Tucker can afford his own lawyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402627) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:39 AM Author: outnumbered charcoal toilet seat Assuming the contract is reasonably drafted and he's covered by the primary term (not the covenant not to compete afterwards) he has zero options that do not expose him to catastrophic litigation.
The language in the contract is likely broad enough to cover whatever they want it to (during the primary term). He has probably consented to a jurisdiction where this is specifically enforceable.
He can take a risk and make a political decision that Fox will not take legal action because of appearances (what his Twitter show was probably banking on) but that is not a legal consideration.
Legally he is fucked.
After the primary term if there is an extended CNC after compensation ends enforceability is much dicier. I do not have multi-state experience with CNCs but would assume this period cannot extend more than 2-3 years in any case.
bottom line: His twitter show absolutely can be competition even if unpaid. And, during his primary term (while Fox pays him) he's hooked. |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:03 AM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman Tyft (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402985) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:21 AM Author: Federal Old Irish Cottage Legal Warrant He'll never tell us Ukraine blew up the dam now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46403057) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 9:26 PM Author: Exhilarant liquid oxygen spot but TBF said that this can’t possibly be true! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46405722) |
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Date: June 9th, 2023 12:26 AM Author: crawly base To be fair,
Oh man, here comes Obeezy!
So will Tucker be forced to give up poasting on Twitter? Please share your prediction, 'Beez ;) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:23 AM Author: crawly base To be fair,
There appears to be a contingent on XO that sincerely believes that no matter what, courts will strictly interpret and enforce EXTREMELY broad and long non-compete agreements -- right up to and perhaps including throwing someone in jail for not complying with a court order issued to enforce them which forbids a person from publicly sharing their own personal opinions on important political issues of the day (if that's what the noncompete ostensibly says they can't do) in the lead up to a presidential election year -- because noncompetes are ironclad legal chains that trump all other considerations in the world, and if it says X in the contract, then judges have absolutely no ability to ever refuse to enforce X or limit the enforcement or X or curtail the reach of X or judicially modify what X says or...
Then there are people on XO who think that in the real world, courts regularly strike down, or, if they do enforce them, judicially modify noncompete clauses that they find to be unduly broad or burdensome or long in duration when weighed against a whole host of other considerations (public interest, etc.), and that realistically in any event the *actual* practical recourse for a company that seeks to enforce a noncompete against an employee who is being given a bunch of money to sit at home and refrain from sharing his own personal political opinions online is the mere forfeiture of that money (and possibly repayment of any of it that has already been paid out), rather than sending the guy to jail for "contempt" if he continues to share his personal views on political issues online in the year leading up to a presidential election.
IMO it's very hard to figure out which group is correct and has a good grasp of the world, and which group is totally fucking retarded and has not idea what it's talking about. We'll just have to wait and see! |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 12:54 PM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman 180, ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46403444) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 1:10 PM Author: Mauve station Nice summary. I fall into the second category. Seems like not only is this noncompete overly broad and burdensome, it's against the public interest and violates defendant's 1st amendment right to free speech. I don't claim to know non-compete laws in every state, I do know my state has strong anti-SLAPP laws that would allow Tucker to SLAPP back Fox to recover damages for abuse of legal process. Many states' anti-slapp statutes also disfavor non-competes restricting communications in connection with matters of public concern, including communications about healthy, safety, environmental, economic or community well-being.
Though, arguing that Fox committed fraud and breached contract first is more straightforward. |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 2:29 PM Author: crawly base To be fair,
(Actual lawyer) |
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Date: June 9th, 2023 12:49 AM Author: Gold love of her life Sure that sounds reasonable, but unfortunately when it comes to right versus left politics, America became quite unreasonable a few years back. Because Tucker is right wing almost anything goes here if there's a liberal judge in a liberal jurisdiction.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46406356) |
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Date: June 9th, 2023 1:11 AM Author: Exhilarant liquid oxygen spot So your theory is that there’s a special exception in the enforceability of non-compete law for political talk show hosts? Do you have a citation for that brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46406444) |
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Date: June 9th, 2023 2:04 AM Author: Gold love of her life The non-compete contract should have language specifying employment or something like that. I really don't think that these contracts can be interpreted to include giving your personal opinions on the internet under your own aegis... Of course if there's a liberal judge and a liberal jurisdiction that goes out the window (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46406556) |
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Date: June 9th, 2023 2:26 AM Author: Exhilarant liquid oxygen spot Why would Fox draft it so narrowly so as to exclude protection against Tucker starting his own social media venture? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46406581) |
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Date: June 13th, 2023 12:01 AM Author: Mauve station They shouldn't though Fox will argue by expressing his opinion on Twitter, that fits what ever bullshit language was in the contract. His show on Twitter is commercially competing with Fox.
Worst they can do is claw back some money. Also fuck Fox. This is essentially the deep state shit heads trying to silence dissent. |
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Date: June 12th, 2023 11:58 PM Author: Mauve station 32 states have anti-SLAPP statutes: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation
I'm curious what choice of venue provisions are in the employment contract or if the constitutional issue brings this into federal courts. It's been a while since I dealt with civpro so not sure what laws apply, if there would be any forum shopping, etc. |
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Date: June 13th, 2023 12:37 AM Author: crawly base To be fair,
"Uh, sorry hoss, but you expressly contracted NOT to have sex for a full year. It's literally right there in the contract, plain as day. And yet here you are, trying to get laid on this dating app. We have you dead to rights, you're fucked now bro.
A contract is a contract. If it's written on the page, it's enforceable in a court of law -- trust me, I went to law school, I know these things. I mean, shit -- you think judges just ignore contractual language when they want to, or throw out expressly-contracted-for provisions if they don't like them, or change the terms of the contract on the back end? You have a lot to learn about this world of law, bud!" |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 1:15 PM Author: Indigo Stage Keepsake Machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46403535) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:06 AM Author: outnumbered charcoal toilet seat there are so few actual lawyers here.
shadow is 100% correct. this is a really straightforward non-compete issue. |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:15 AM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman Answer my questions above please, I am not a lawyer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402737) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:40 AM Author: outnumbered charcoal toilet seat Done (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402889) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:04 AM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman Ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402987) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:16 AM Author: crawly base To be fair,
Didn't read any of this guys analysis but just a reminder that you're thanking a ~100 IQ Pole who goes around unironically saying things like, "Fuck it, we need NATO boots on the ground in Moscow -- screw the 'consequences'." |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:38 PM Author: Sienna Skinny Woman Lol I've avoided every Ukraine thread in months so this is very helpful context (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46405927) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:43 PM Author: crawly base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46405949) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:44 PM Author: insanely creepy shrine mother its a jew call him a jew, you dirty jew (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46405950) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:45 PM Author: crawly base To be fair,
Good call, yeah I'm really reluctant to call out Jews as "Jews" here on XO, that's my MO, anything to avoid accusing people of being "Jewish." |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:46 PM Author: insanely creepy shrine mother why capitalize the j
they dont need it |
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Date: June 9th, 2023 12:26 AM Author: crawly base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46406296) |
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Date: June 9th, 2023 12:28 AM Author: insanely creepy shrine mother great bump moishe sorry that one stumped you (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46406304) |
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Date: June 13th, 2023 1:26 AM Author: outnumbered charcoal toilet seat You may want to actually read the analysis especially the 'primary term' vs. CNC part. Its relevant. You should be able to evaluate someone's points separate from them.
I draft 3-5 CNCs a year for very particular transactions involving company buyouts. Obviously I'm Texas specific but I'm not crazy here. |
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Date: June 13th, 2023 11:47 AM Author: crawly base To be fair,
So you're saying that I can legally contract with my private employer and agree that, in exchange for money, I will refrain from engaging in *any public political speech* (i.e., exactly the type of speech that sits at the very core of the 1st Amendment and is subject to the strongest possible legal protections from all forms of federal, state, or local government content-based censorship or punishment under the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution which by its very nature trumps all other non-constitutional statutes, laws, codes, etc.) for a lengthy period of time...
...and then, if and when I violate that provision of my private contract by publicly sharing my thoughts on political issues, not only will an American court actually issue an ordering legally requiring me to shut the fuck up and refrain from publicly commenting on any political issues for the duration of the term (instead of just saying "OK you violated the contract so you have to pay the money back")...
...but I will literally be sent to *jail* by that very same court if I refuse to comply with the court order and instead continue to publicly share my personal views on political issues?
(And of course if this did happen, it would all be upheld on appeal by yet another court while I rot in jail for publicly speaking my mind about political issues, because that's just how this shit works?)
And not only that, but (what are the odds!) you yourself have *personally* drafted numerous provisions to that effect and then watched how they play out, and so you -- aka the sane and intelligent guy who unironically thinks we need NATO boots on the ground in Moscow yesterday -- are an "expert" on this topic who knows how this *actually* plays out IRL?
Wow, I'm convinced, you got me. Truly, private contracts are very powerful things! "One | Weird | Trick" to legally strip an American citizen of their right to engage in any form of public dialogue concerning core political issues for years on end, under penalty of state imprisonment enforced by armed guards! Thank god I poast on a "law school discussion bort" where I learn this type of stuff from real lawyers haha yeah. |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 10:42 AM Author: Histrionic reading party cruise ship Could easily evade the non-compete if he ran for POTUS as an independent and just made the "show" part of his campaign (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46402893) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:22 AM Author: Federal Old Irish Cottage Legal Warrant Didn't he tweet while he was still on the air at Fox? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46403062) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:42 AM Author: Federal Old Irish Cottage Legal Warrant What if Elon "interviews" Tucker and then posts a video of Tucker's 10-minute response to his question under his own account? Does the noncompete prohibit Tucker from talking to Musk? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46403118) |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 11:50 AM Author: crawly base To be fair,
*Cops flying down the highway, handcuffs in hand, ready to get a little "rough" with Cucker as they drag him into jail for publicly speaking with another guy and expressing his personal political views in an election year IN BLATANT VIOLATION OF A CONTRACTUAL NON-COMPETE PROVISION* |
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Date: June 13th, 2023 12:17 AM Author: thriller primrose coffee pot The UCC is serious business! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46420709) |
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Date: June 13th, 2023 12:40 AM Author: crawly base To be fair,
Judge: "I mean, shit... look, pal, if that's what the contract says, then that's what the contract says... a contract is a contract, my hands are tied here... you're the one who agreed to this..."
Lol this used to be a law bort |
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Date: June 8th, 2023 3:26 PM Author: pungent sable water buffalo boistinker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5351958&forum_id=2#46404382) |