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Bands that you used to love but don't listen to at all anymore
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:04 AM Author: Avocado hospital I thought the Chili Peppers were geniuses in high school but when I grew up I realized they were a glorified singles band. After you get burned out on the hits you realize they didn't have any deeper cuts or really anything to say that wasn't a big radio hit produced by Jews. I probably have their top 10 songs so committed to memory that I never need to hear them again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004227) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:57 AM Author: lavender zippy reading party RHCP has always sucked balls (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004287) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:00 AM Author: Avocado hospital Their top 10 mega hits play on a loop on every rock station in the world fwiw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004294) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:26 AM Author: exciting degenerate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004329) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:31 AM Author: cerise juggernaut principal's office (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004927) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:54 PM Author: garnet immigrant newt keep talking shit about Snow faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005640) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:14 PM Author: nighttime opaque mad-dog skullcap gas station important edit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005695) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:37 AM Author: ivory legend spot this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004948) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:47 PM Author: multi-colored meetinghouse jewess also, i was always really high when I listened to RHC. Listening to them as sober adult is entirely different (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005807) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:16 PM Author: Blathering hunting ground I never mind when they come on a stream or radio and if you asked me I'd say I like them. But I'm not sure I've on l ever fine out of my way to intentionally listen to any of their songs. They're just there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005915) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:21 PM Author: Avocado hospital Cr they are dominating the Applebee's playlist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005928) |
Date: June 11th, 2025 1:05 AM Author: Maniacal unhinged theater philosopher-king Beatles
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:09 AM Author: Avocado hospital Flame? The Beatles get better every year of my life I like them more and more... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004232) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:17 AM Author: Maniacal unhinged theater philosopher-king nah, not flame. find most of their stuff way too saccharine.
friend played them versus cocker on WALHFMF in the car the other day and their handling of their own material was so comparatively second rate i just wanted it to end.
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:44 AM Author: Avocado hospital They definitely didn't have the same attitude as the rock music that succeeded them in terms of the tone and swagger of the performance but you have to at least admit that they were songwriting geniuses given that Cocker's most famous song is a cover of theirs. They had 20 #1s. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004277) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:49 AM Author: Maniacal unhinged theater philosopher-king for sure. top notch material. but often so much better in others hands. on top of the attitude, don't really find mccartney or lennon to be particularly nice vocalists. harrison's contributions hold up the best there imo.
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:58 AM Author: Avocado hospital Disagree. Listen to some of their new remasters. When stereo first came out they made some really retarded mixing decisions. They went back and used AI to isolate everything and made proper stereo mixes. They're much better now. I think the vocals sound even better now that they're not all panned to one side and other dumb shit because nobody understood stereo at the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004288) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:03 AM Author: Maniacal unhinged theater philosopher-king i'll give it a try.
on the mix, i remember trying to listen to one of their more famous songs - can't even recall which one - and the audio simply walked back and forth left to right. which probably seemed artistic and interesting at the time, but was just obnoxious to listen to
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:07 AM Author: Avocado hospital I think even John Lennon thought that the mixes sucked. At the time the band wanted to do everything in mono because that's what everyone was used to and stereo was a new technology. But the record company pushed stereo hard even though no one knew how to do it right. It wasn't until AI that they were able to get separation of the tracks and it could be mixed properly in stereo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004306) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:37 AM Author: exciting degenerate https://imgbb.com/qM3pnqLm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004343) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:38 AM Author: Avocado hospital He's Right. CDs were a revelation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004345) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:06 AM Author: Jet Orchestra Pit Gaping they're 180, i just don't listen to the genre all that much any more
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:49 PM Author: Filthy Coiffed Friendly Grandma cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005814) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:06 AM Author: Jet Orchestra Pit Gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004303) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:17 AM Author: crawly insecure stock car bad religion
i guess i still listen to their 80s stuff every once in a while |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:46 AM Author: Avocado hospital I've never listened to them before. I just put on American Jesus for the first time ever. My first thought was woah these guys walked so The Offspring could run. Quickly confirmed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004278) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:49 AM Author: very tactful grizzly idiot market Primus. I even wrote a letter to Les Claypool asking how to buy a Primus T-shirt and he wrote me back. Now IDGAF if he dies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004280) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:57 AM Author: Avocado hospital Primus sucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004283) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:57 AM Author: very tactful grizzly idiot market He drew a mosquito on the margin of the page (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004286) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:24 PM Author: topaz keepsake machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005715) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:57 AM Author: lavender zippy reading party springsteen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004285) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:00 AM Author: Avocado hospital Good one. That's one most people get over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004292) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:01 AM Author: lavender zippy reading party He lost me with the shitlib crap. All boomers suck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004295) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:09 AM Author: Avocado hospital Agreed. Springsteen really went hard into the politics so he could be friends with Obama and Stern and Clooney and all those people. And his message is so silly it's just like we're the good guys because we do good things and the bad guys do bad things. It's for people with a 3rd grade education tops. I've always hated that guy and his shitty music. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004312) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:05 AM Author: Jet Orchestra Pit Gaping The Beatles
still think they're great, just don't really listen to them now |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:08 AM Author: Avocado hospital Yeah I think a lot of it is due to over exposure you just get so used to something. Like are you really going to listen to Dark Side of the Moon one more time probably not. If you can't hum all the solos by now what are you doing. Classic but burned out on it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004310) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:16 AM Author: Jet Orchestra Pit Gaping My tastes have also expanded so much that now I find myself spending more time listening to stuff that's new to me than I do relistening to what I had on repeat during high school
I go through 3-6 month phases where I listen on repeat to a few bands in a genre and then move to something else for awhile
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:24 AM Author: Avocado hospital Apropos of nothing you remind me of one of my friends growing up. He was a bodybuilder who tried to join the military but his mom made up a bunch of shit about him so he couldn't join. He ended up becoming extremely jacked and enormous.
He was really into black and white thinking and had extreme views on everything. If you tried to argue with him he'd flip out. Ended up getting married to a chick and they receded from the world together and barely communicate with anyone else.
The only genre of music he liked was death metal and he only listened to the most obscure bands. He had the most esoteric criteria for liking something. It had to be a demo record made between 1985 and 1993 or something. It amused me to catalog the nuances of his unusual musical preferences. Anything that did not meet this highly specialized criteria was ex communicated. He wouldn't consider it at all.
I'm not saying you're like him in every way but you just remind me of him sometimes. What's funny is that he became a lib eventually but he was one of the most influential people in turning me conservative. His rigorous argumentation and legal mind for splitting unbelievably tiny hairs pushed me over to the other side. Last I heard he was some sort of Bernie Bro obsessed with single payer health insurance. I think he really wanted the government to give him steroids or something. |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:45 PM Author: Jet Orchestra Pit Gaping 180
Never really been into much metal, but have gotten into it more recently when lifting. XO actually got me into Metallica back in like 2018, but beyond that haven't really listened to much. Starting to really like Pantera and Kublai Khan, TX. Growing up has meant a gradual broadening of my music taste, never used to be able to enjoy chill or melancholic music and now I listen to Fleetwood Mac a lot.
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:46 PM Author: Avocado hospital 18000
Yeah his mom was genuinely insane. She cleaned out his dad in the divorce and got everything. His dad lived in a trailer and drank alone and she lived in a huge house in the suburbs. And later on she sued him again to pay for their son's college tuition and won. Not sure how this guy survived.
I'm glad you like Fleetwood Mac. This guy didn't even listen to any mainstream metal. His favorite bands were Morbid Angel, Death, and Bathory. |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:13 PM Author: Jet Orchestra Pit Gaping I can't enjoy music without any melody at all, and I don't see the point in listening to music to become more unhappy lol. Takes a different kind of autism than I have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005692) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:17 PM Author: Avocado hospital I agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005701) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:14 AM Author: Avocado hospital A friend of mine growing up was THE BIGGEST Dave Matthews fan of all time and he could not physically make it through a conversation with somebody else without mentioning his love of DMB. And we all clowned on him and made fun of him for like 10 years straight and eventually he woke up one day and was like yeah they suck. But he was kind of sensitive about it so we never mentioned it, he just phased it out of his personality one day. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004322) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:34 AM Author: Dun home DMB is 180, fuck too-cool hipster trash smearing their reputation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004337) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:37 AM Author: Avocado hospital It's just Coldplay with too many instruments (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004342) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:32 AM Author: rebellious box office faggot firefighter DMB sounds absolutely nothing like Coldplay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004929) |
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Date: June 15th, 2025 3:32 PM Author: hot poz load You’re an idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49017985) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:39 AM Author: black sweet tailpipe alpha DMB remains 180 despite D being 120. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004347) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 8:42 AM Author: boyish university they're the Simpsons of music. they busted out four consecutive albums where every track was solid except for let you down on Crash and had a huge catalog of live stuff. They could have just stopped making new shit but kept going. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004645) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:21 PM Author: Blathering hunting ground Opposite for me. I fucking hated his stuff when it came out and mocked anyone who liked it. I wouldn't say I'm a give fan now but I enjoy his old stuff and find it relaxing. Great background music IMO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005929) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:25 AM Author: black sweet tailpipe alpha bon jovi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004328) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:28 AM Author: Avocado hospital Once you've heard you give love a bad name enough times you're like OK I'm tapping out. Good one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004331) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:37 AM Author: black sweet tailpipe alpha I was at a bar in Nashville a couple years ago, and an early-40s guy snockered to the gills literally got up on his bar stool to sing Livin' on a Prayer along with the cover band. I think that was the moment I realized I had already checked out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004344) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:39 AM Author: Avocado hospital I had some shit job in my youth and there was an old lady working there who went to every Bon Jovi show and took pictures of his ass and told everyone she wanted to fuck his tight ass. She was an objective 1/10. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004346) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:40 AM Author: black sweet tailpipe alpha dream theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004348) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:42 AM Author: Avocado hospital I never "got" them. I was not born with whatever gene you need to understand this type of music. It just sounds like humans making AI music. They brag about how they sound like a click track. I never understood what they were doing.
Props to John though his signature Music Man is the highest selling signature model line of guitars of all time. That's an achievement. |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:02 AM Author: black sweet tailpipe alpha I really liked Octavarium. I haven't listened to that album in well over a decade, but I don't want to listen to it now because I'm worried it'll probably ruin my previous impression. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004366) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:40 AM Author: black sweet tailpipe alpha dispatch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004349) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:45 AM Author: Avocado hospital College chicks were all rubbing one out while listening to The General. Must've meant something at the time. If they had one other song that wasn't The General I've never heard of it.
Edit: they seemed to have a lot of music talent not to have been bigger. But wasn't their shtick like not being commercial and trying too hard? I think if they had made one more radio hit they would have all gotten rich off touring but instead they seemed like they went to go live in a van and do shrooms or something. Bizarre career arc. |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:05 AM Author: black sweet tailpipe alpha Yeah, they were hipsters well before the gentrification of Williamsburg. The commercially successful equivalent of Dispatch is OAR, but let's be serious, it's all just stoner music. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004373) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:06 AM Author: exciting degenerate are you going to Rothbury this summer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004378) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:10 AM Author: Avocado hospital I hate Phish. I have always hated Phish. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004380) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:37 AM Author: black sweet tailpipe alpha Phish, Grateful Dead, and The Who are all evidence of Gen X's horrible taste in music and failure as a generation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004398) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:47 AM Author: Avocado hospital Two of those bands are boomers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004409) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:14 AM Author: jade antidepressant drug step-uncle's house Phish is way better than both bands. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004865) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:18 AM Author: boyish university Phish sucks goat balls and always has. their shows are like the most tedious shit ever. I'd rather just stay home and binge watch the Golden Girls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004879) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:23 AM Author: jade antidepressant drug step-uncle's house https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TWrZ4nJ5Nk&list=RD2TWrZ4nJ5Nk&start_radio=1 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004901) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:29 AM Author: boyish university repetitive and tedious but at least it's only 15 minutes instead of 30. the times i've been to phish shows I've wondered if something was wrong with me because I was bored as shit and everyone else seemed so into it. I eventually realized their fans are actual idiots and are on very heavy drugs and their music actually does suck shit.
Their concerts are/were a slice of life though. Pearl Jam was the real one where it was like holy shit these guys are terrible and how the fuck are they not playing at dive bars instead of a massive arena? |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:35 AM Author: cerise juggernaut principal's office Phish was Gen-X, the other two are some of the boomerest bands ever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004938) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:36 AM Author: jade antidepressant drug step-uncle's house despite substantial efforts, i really hate the grateful dead. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004946) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:34 PM Author: topaz keepsake machete what are some bands you like? i don't really listen to any of those these days, but all 3 are great (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005759) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:48 AM Author: elite carnelian hairy legs Avenged Sevenfold (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004410) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 8:30 AM Author: big wine toaster I got into Radiohead pretty late in the game but I listened to them a lot from say 2010-2015. I hardly listen to them anymore and A Moon Shaped Pool sucked imo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004614) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:31 PM Author: canary half-breed house Can’t stand em, Creep is so whiny. I do like The Bends title track though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005558) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:49 PM Author: multi-colored meetinghouse jewess Creep was suppose to be a joke song, but people turned it into a religious experience they could goth suicide to (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005819) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 8:44 AM Author: aqua trailer park regret the 90s epitaph punk stuff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004653) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:12 AM Author: jade antidepressant drug step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004854) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:43 PM Author: sable address old irish cottage We know you still listen to this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005411) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:46 PM Author: jade antidepressant drug step-uncle's house I absolutely do not
*briefcase full of punk-0-rama CDs spills onto the floor* |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:47 PM Author: sable address old irish cottage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005422) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 4:27 PM Author: aphrodisiac menage digit ratio (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006201) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:57 PM Author: crawly insecure stock car (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005451) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:10 PM Author: aqua trailer park regret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005498) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 4:00 PM Author: hairraiser cruise ship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006138) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:20 PM Author: crawly insecure stock car cr spent way too much time and money seeing those bands live.
none of it is good music |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:30 PM Author: Shaky becky Yeah, 100%. None more than NoFX, they were my favorite band growing up and now it just sounds like garbage to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005991) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:33 PM Author: Avocado hospital 180 lmao
The funny thing is that a far worse life outcome is if you still liked NoFX. Many such cases and they are one of the worst bands ever to achieve their level of fame and success. |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 9:00 AM Author: nighttime opaque mad-dog skullcap gas station I don't listen to any of the 90s bands really anymore and kind of cringe when I hear them. I'm not going to list all of them but i would never tune into STP or Green Day or whatever I listened to at the time. Here are my big ones: pavement (truly sucks, wow, every normal person was right) smashing pumpkins (his voice is now impossible to hear. never bothered me as a kid. i used to listen the fuck out of siamese dream. must have been a top 1%er) 90s bands that i still listen to are Blur, Radiohead, NIN, Air |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:24 PM Author: Blathering hunting ground I held out for years re Pavement but it got to a point that I had to admit I'd be embarrassed to be caught listening to them. They were huge on the bort IIRC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005946) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:26 PM Author: Avocado hospital I'm still a fan. Not a superfan where I would defend them to the hilt but on a case by case basis still enjoy some songs. They were at their best when they took their whacky instincts and packaged them into a palatable pop format. Ironically these were the songs Stephen hated the most.
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:11 AM Author: hairraiser cruise ship I haven't put on Nirvana in years, Pearl Jam maybe once a year. That would've been inconceivable to 1996 me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004850) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:18 AM Author: Maniacal unhinged theater philosopher-king same with nirvana. part of the problem is they just didn't make enough music.
still regularly queue up AIC though
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:20 AM Author: hairraiser cruise ship I also listen to AIC more frequently because it's great workout music (I do beginner pilates 2x a week)
I listen to bands like Brian Jonestown Massacre *more* often now than in the 90s, probably because I didn't burn out on them.
STP still holds up although the philistines on xo will bash me for this. Tiny Music is a legitimate masterpiece. |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:48 AM Author: Maniacal unhinged theater philosopher-king i can still listen to Interstate Love Song five times a day
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:14 PM Author: histrionic indian lodge tank I just Nirvana'ed myself out in high school. I will occasionally listen and it is good. I just don't go all out anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005905) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:16 AM Author: trip saffron temple dysfunction Radiohead dog shit awful |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:18 AM Author: nighttime opaque mad-dog skullcap gas station I dont believe that anyone who was once a fan of radiohead now considers them dog shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004881) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:26 AM Author: Aquamarine roommate nibblets i really loved them 1997-2001 or so. i don't care for them now. their good stuff i think is really good. the later stuff i wouldn't call dogshit but i couldn't care less about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004909) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:31 AM Author: nighttime opaque mad-dog skullcap gas station i bought hail to the thief and was done with them. never listened to anything from them afterwards. but i dont believe there was ever a fan of theirs that now suddenly says OK computer or kid a was dog shit, the way a former phish fan might say. That guy is an imposter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004925) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:51 PM Author: Avocado hospital I knew a guy who was a huge Radiohead fan who disowned then later in life primarily because he believed they were "too mainstream". His whole persona became that anything that was widely known was not good. It had to be obscure to be good. He went nuclear on the hipster ethos. To him only totally unknown bands were worth their salt. They had to have less than a hundred fans. Really outré life decision but I even never heard this guy say Radiohead sucked. He just said that's not who I am anymore. I'm this other guy who's only into the underground scene. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005635) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:55 PM Author: jade antidepressant drug step-uncle's house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005646) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:51 PM Author: Jet Orchestra Pit Gaping I've undergone the opposite change, used to find them unlistenable and now I like Iron Lung, No Surprises, Let Down, Karma Police, and a few others. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005429) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:42 PM Author: Avocado hospital 180
Thots on Everything In Its Right Place, Optimistic, Idioteque, Pyramid Song, I Might Be Wrong (Live), There There, Black Star, True Love Waits (Live in Oslo), Just, You and Whose Army, Talk Show Host? |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:11 PM Author: big wine toaster all great songs. my hot take is that the True Love Waits on AMSP was retarded unnecessary fan service (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005687) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:16 PM Author: Avocado hospital That's not a hot take, that's 100% true. AMSP blows. I actually saw them perform some of the material from that album live. They told the crowd it was the debut and it was brand new material. No one in the audience clapped or was engaged with it at all. I read somewhere that Thom couldn't even bring himself to finish the record and left the studio with it half done and told the band to finish writing it for him. I don't know if that's true but it seems correct given how bad it is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005700) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:22 PM Author: big wine toaster IIRC Burn the Witch, Identikit, and TLW were all reworked songs. All should have been left alone off the album imo. The song titles on the album were all in alphabetical order which I never understood or heard a good reason why. Weird just to be weird I gues.
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:24 PM Author: Avocado hospital The only one I liked was Deck's Dark (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005717) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:53 PM Author: Jet Orchestra Pit Gaping Half of these were new to me - Everything In Its Right Place: a little too fractured/noisy for me - Optimistic: not bad but didn't do much for me - Idioteque: don't like, too EDM-y for me - Pyramid Song: not sad enough to enjoy this - I Might Be Wrong (Live): great riff, felt like it really would have been better if it built to more of a crescendo like a third or so of their songs do - There There: as is a common theme with many of these, liked the last third much better than the first two - Black Star: I like this a lot, very listenable chill rainy day music. Guitar work is great. - True Love Waits (Live in Oslo): very easy listening, enjoyed a lot - Just: I like this quite well, follows the structure of some of their best songs. I think they're best when largely playing atonal rock, rather than some of their more experimental/noisy stuff like Everything In Its Right Place. - You and Whose Army: first half a little too waily for me without much instrumentation. I think one of the things I like best about the Radiohead I do like is their riffs. - Talk Show Host: again, first half too slow and the build isn't to a satisfying conclusion like, for example, I find Iron Lung to have |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:19 PM Author: Avocado hospital You might like Exit Music for a Film (really big build up), Electioneering (fast paced blues riff), and The National Anthem (chaotic atonal ending). You seem to gravitate towards their heavier alt rock phase and not their slower, moodier melodic side. There is nothing wrong with that. I am not a pretentious fan who thinks there's a right or wrong way to appreciate them. I like them so much I'm happy when anyone gets on board at all.
My overall recommendation is to get a copy of The Bends and OK Computer (OKNOTOK 2017 remaster is POTUS tier) and wear those records out. That's really their straight up rock era. The later stuff may or may not grow on you over time. It is moody and melancholic for sure. I just think the melodies are so good they're absolutely arresting but you don't have to agree. I'm glad you liked Black Star, one of my favorites and not too many people know that one. |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:13 PM Author: histrionic indian lodge tank I just never listened to any of their new stuff (In Rainbows and after). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005901) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:17 AM Author: jade antidepressant drug step-uncle's house Pink Floyd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004878) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 4:06 PM Author: cheese-eating station coldplay fan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006159) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:25 AM Author: Aquamarine roommate nibblets belle and sebastian. turns out they are twee fag shit. that said, they do have 3 or so really great records.
smiths. i still love them, but i played them out too much.
clash. same thing
modest mouse. they got really bland after going with a major. moon & antarctica was great, then the next one was decent, after that they just became a pop band. |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:27 PM Author: topaz keepsake machete look, as far as belle & sebastian and the smiths go, i'm gay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005728) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:29 PM Author: Avocado hospital I dated a chick who drove one of those really tiny cars and she blasted B&S nonstop and it's honestly the worst band I have ever heard in the entire world. We broke up and she moved to NorCal and became a lesbian and later transitioned. But I will always remember her for bad music taste and her erstwhile love of penis in all her holds. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005739) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:54 PM Author: multi-colored meetinghouse jewess men trapped in womens bodies often have bad musical tastes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005841) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:06 PM Author: Avocado hospital She looked like a chick to me. Zoomer art ho. Was very thirsty for the D. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005888) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:56 PM Author: Jet Orchestra Pit Gaping I'm just now starting to enjoy the Smiths
Have never liked the clash beyond guns of Brixton and London calling
Modest mouse was college music for me, and anytime I have studying type work to do I put them back on repeat |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:22 PM Author: Aquamarine roommate nibblets the smiths are amazing (but again, just cannot listen to them anymore). johnny marr is a guitar god.
clash are 180 but not really if you don't love punk.
early MM is so good. |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 6:55 PM Author: Jet Orchestra Pit Gaping (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006554) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 4:50 PM Author: pontificating giraffe taco belle and sebastian tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006261) |
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Date: June 15th, 2025 3:33 PM Author: hot poz load You have bad taste in music (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49017986) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:36 AM Author: cerise juggernaut principal's office Right Said Fred (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49004943) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:50 PM Author: rough-skinned library I heard I'm too Sexy recently and lolled irl. Honestly, incredibly credited one hit wonder. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005822) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:15 AM Author: ivory legend spot Soundgarden (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005083) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:34 PM Author: sooty galvanic corner athletic conference Homo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005760) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:36 PM Author: cracking confused nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006026) |
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Date: June 12th, 2025 7:39 AM Author: ivory legend spot (guy still listening to Stone Temple Pilots, unironically) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49007753) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:48 PM Author: Talented dingle berry police squad Deftones (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005424) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 12:58 PM Author: cracking confused nowag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005457) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:03 PM Author: Talented dingle berry police squad the dear hunter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005467) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:12 PM Author: aqua trailer park regret they are shockingly popular with the youngsters. i always liked them, they were very good and original, but i never would've guessed they'd be around 30 years later. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005503) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:17 PM Author: Talented dingle berry police squad to see them live in a small venue is life changing-- makes u want to give up music, if u harbored any ambitions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005513) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:22 PM Author: aqua trailer park regret you just need an incredibly sexy raspy voice. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005529) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:23 PM Author: Talented dingle berry police squad pure musicianship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_RdaF0rA2g |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:31 PM Author: aqua trailer park regret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH08i5x-nTc&t=417s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005555) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:36 PM Author: Avocado hospital They were stylistically like a 10 and a 2 at actual songwriting. Incredibly cool ambiance band with no actual memorable songs. You can only listen to it for the vibe but no one can actually recall any individual song because there's no discernable melodies or differentiation between the songs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005569) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:45 PM Author: Talented dingle berry police squad (Pitchfork writer)
Deftones as a band achieved a sonic boom few if any bands can even dream of |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:01 PM Author: Avocado hospital Sounds like you still listen to them. You've been disqualified for failing the hypo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005663) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:05 PM Author: Talented dingle berry police squad between 2009-2015, I wanted to be a musician, like them-- but I saw what Chino and the band did musically and gave up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005673) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:08 PM Author: Avocado hospital I think you could have aimed a lot higher (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005683) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:10 PM Author: Talented dingle berry police squad thank u, Jacob Collier (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005685) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:13 PM Author: Avocado hospital That guy is literal trash. Ljl at forceming him, he has zero musical talent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005693) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:24 PM Author: Talented dingle berry police squad (coldplay fan) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005718) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:01 PM Author: Maniacal unhinged theater philosopher-king Elite and Change are basically the same song
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:05 PM Author: Avocado hospital (Guy who listened very carefully) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005672) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:32 PM Author: Dashing shitlib trust fund The distillers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005559) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:34 PM Author: canary half-breed house I heard Bohemian Rhapsody at a party in 2018 and even w hot girls singing along it was insufferable. Have heard it 100x like this. Most Queen songs idc for anymore. Bites the dust is tolerable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005564) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:36 PM Author: Dashing shitlib trust fund A lot of these eras bands live on purely off of aura (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005568) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 1:47 PM Author: nighttime opaque mad-dog skullcap gas station queen was always stompy anthem music. it has its place but lol at someone putting on an album in their own home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005618) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:03 PM Author: Maniacal unhinged theater philosopher-king whole point of Queen is catchy songs that hot girls will sing along to
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:22 PM Author: topaz keepsake machete I remember really enjoying some of John Frusciante's solo work. I wonder if it holds up after all these years. Definitely felt deeper, weirder, and less hits-driven than RHCP
edit: it holds up, the guy is a genius, albeit often indecipherable |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:25 PM Author: Avocado hospital https://youtu.be/G9zHx4WSmkI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005720) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 10:55 PM Author: topaz keepsake machete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49007187) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:27 PM Author: abusive international law enforcement agency faggotry KMFDM
The Residents
Of Montreal |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:33 PM Author: Avocado hospital KMFDM suffered from not having any proper songwriting talent. They had attitude for days and had an edgy image but their songs are unlistenable trash. That guy could not pen a tune to save his life but it was an objectively cool band concept.
Were Of Montreal and Boards of Canada different bands? |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:44 PM Author: abusive international law enforcement agency faggotry Yeah of Montreal is indie art rock from Georgia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005794) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:45 PM Author: Avocado hospital It all kinda blurs together and lacks distinctiveness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005797) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:49 PM Author: aphrodisiac menage digit ratio i don't think i've ever heard anyone criticize of montreal for lacking distinctiveness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005815) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:50 PM Author: abusive international law enforcement agency faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005820) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:05 PM Author: Avocado hospital Really? It's so bland I couldn't pick em out of a lineup. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005879) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:12 PM Author: aphrodisiac menage digit ratio considering you just asked if of montreal (notable for front man's singing) and boards of canada (an electronica band with no/little vocals) were different bands i think you couldn't pick them out of a line up because the only thing you know about them is that their name involves canada. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005900) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:20 PM Author: Avocado hospital Right but I fault them for that, not me. The customer is always right. If you put out bland pablum you're going to get mistaken for something entirely different, yet spiritually the same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005923) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:22 PM Author: aphrodisiac menage digit ratio but you've clearly never even listened to them if you could confuse them with with boards of canada. this isn't some musicfaggot pretentious take, they are completely different genres. it would be like asking of miles davis and david bowie are the same. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005936) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:25 PM Author: Avocado hospital False I guarantee you they have countless overlapping stylistic elements. It's all colourless indie mumbling and bad melodies no one can recall. Isn't that Enough? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005948) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:45 PM Author: abusive international law enforcement agency faggotry I think they have some catchy songs tbh
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:22 PM Author: Avocado hospital Which ones? I am a Juke Joint Jezebel purist but I have never found my #2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005938) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:30 PM Author: abusive international law enforcement agency faggotry That one, Money, Light, Looking for Strange, Megalomaniac (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005992) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:20 PM Author: marvelous internal respiration KMFDM'S music is sampled. Totally fake. It's done by machines Cause they don't make mistakes.
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:23 PM Author: Avocado hospital There seems to be some guitar work and live vocals on it as well, hence the Industrial moniker. A hybrid of rock and electronica. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005940) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:29 PM Author: marvelous internal respiration Pretty sure KMFDM know how they make their music better than you 😂:
https://genius.com/Kmfdm-sucks-lyrics |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 3:34 PM Author: Avocado hospital 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006008) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 4:48 PM Author: abusive international law enforcement agency faggotry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006258) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:36 PM Author: aqua trailer park regret hissing fauna is a GOAT record and i haven't listened to any of the dozen or so records that have come out since. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49005769) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 2:50 PM Author: aphrodisiac menage digit ratio i saw of montreal a couple years ago and they put on a 180 show.
they are definitely huffing their own farts and i can see why someone would fall out of love with them. i like them in the same way i like pop-punk sum41 shit where it's a fun throwback to a more dumb and naive part of my life. |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 4:00 PM Author: Sepia office round eye Lawrence Welk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006142) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 6:03 PM Author: cheese-eating station coldplay fan well played (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006458) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 6:09 PM Author: histrionic indian lodge tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006464) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 6:13 PM Author: Avocado hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006471) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 4:03 PM Author: pontificating giraffe vampire weekend tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006149) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 4:10 PM Author: Copper awkward sex offender church building Third Eye Blind (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006170) |
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Date: June 16th, 2025 12:46 AM Author: IranWarFan69 False they are still great. Maybe overplayed but still great. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49019347) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 5:03 PM Author: Disrespectful Cocky Kitchen Corey Hart (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49006306) |
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Date: June 11th, 2025 11:54 PM Author: cobalt crackhouse sneaky criminal All of them. At some point you just have to grow up, pull up your pants, and realize music is gay and stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49007379) |
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Date: June 12th, 2025 7:09 AM Author: marvelous internal respiration but i'm gay and stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49007720) |
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Date: June 15th, 2025 2:49 PM Author: please God make me Straight https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4825046&mc=41&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49017872) |
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Date: June 15th, 2025 2:57 PM Author: Gary's Economics Marcy Playground Three Doors Down Seven Mary Three |
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Date: June 15th, 2025 3:34 PM Author: animeboi (.) lol @ listening to this fag shit as a teenager. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49017991) |
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Date: June 15th, 2025 3:46 PM Author: Gary's Economics (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49018027) |
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Date: June 15th, 2025 10:01 PM Author: automatic admit 7M3 is 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49019026) |
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Date: June 15th, 2025 5:13 PM Author: sophie cunningham Pearl Jam, Arcade Fire (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49018221) |
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Date: June 16th, 2025 12:48 AM Author: IranWarFan69 Pearl Jam is incredibly corny in the long run. There's only so much you can take.
Still like Arcade Fire but they had a small number of truly great songs. Not a massive discography. |
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Date: June 16th, 2025 12:13 AM Author: :;.:::;::..:.:.:.:.::::::;:;::;;:;: Muse, Silversun Pickups (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5736031&forum_id=2#49019299) |
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Date: June 16th, 2025 12:49 AM Author: IranWarFan69 Muse early albums still slap. The later you go it becomes trash. Eventually it becomes utter garbage. I don't know why he ruined his own brand.
Silversun Pickups gave up after modest success. I don't think they ever wanted to be huge or something. They have 1.5 good albums and then crap. |