I am curious more in detail about #13. Does he mean all companies that have been put into trusts to shield them from taxes, etc?

I would oppose nationalizing every single company. I don't think they did that?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5610503&forum_id=2#48189935)

Me: asks for evidence of such

You: omg i cant my GIRDS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5610503&forum_id=2#48189971)

The evidence you need is represented by what actually happen in the 1930s. 1933 for example during the night of the long knives Hitler expressly purged the SA members who he believed were too socialist among other reasons.

Hitler had the backing of industrialists, not really something that happens to true socialists.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5610503&forum_id=2#48189980)

Pro tip: all Marxist movements are not literally Marxist because the exact conditions he wrote about were never replicated. It's pointless to say that NSDAP wasn't socialist because nothing was. Nothing has ever been purely Marxist. Marx would never in a million years call what the Soviets did Marxism. It cannot exist in the real world unless it had happened somehow at the time which it didn't. So it's redundant to call anything not Marxist but your pinko colors are shining through.

We get it, you're mad as fuck that everyone's isn't a Commie like you. But Hitler was directly influenced by Marx although it became something different just like Lenin and Mao and all of your heroes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5610503&forum_id=2#48191618)

The fact that nothing is “purely Marxist” doesn’t defeat the fact that socialism exists on a spectrum and many countries have tried to execute on Marxist ideas even if not perfectly applied. Russia, Cuba, Cambodia, China. Nazis did nothing like that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5610503&forum_id=2#48191943)

If you are not suggesting that Hitler went against the socialist parts in the 25 point plan, then stfu and killself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5610503&forum_id=2#48191989)

I'm good with the rest

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5610503&forum_id=2#48190006)

Some of his key ideas were the idea that the nation state depended on a national mythos, a foundational idea that the state had the moral right to defend itself, up to an including violence. If you read Mein Kampf this idea is all over everything. If you read the beginning Hitler spouts off about many historical Ur-grievances. I remember an early passage complaining about the mistreatment of the Germans by Napoleon's army. This is all strictly Sorelian. Blut und boden, lebensraum, these are all extensions to Sorel's concepts about the importance of the national mythos. Mussolini also did this in Italy with his Make Rome Great Again shtick. It was all about how the outside world had held them back and kicked the when they were down.

The other key bridge concepts from Sorel was a rejiggering of Marxism to say that the class struggle is really a struggle between nations. This gave the path to hypernationalism. As James Lindsay always says, Marx was like the PlayStation. It's a concept that allows you to play many games, or even release new base versions of itself. In traditional Marxism it's the proletariat vs the owners but we know this has been adapted so many times, even recently, and includes stuff like race consciousness and struggle.

But Sorel gave us the nationalist side of national socialism. He said it's okay for countries to put their own people first to an extreme extent and have a one party state that aims to control every aspect of society for the benefit of the nation overall. Hitler talked about this in his speeches all the time very openly. He said that without a strong leader and powerful centralized state things would go bad for average folks. Everything he did was in service of the nation itself. They really believed this stuff and you can see how at odds it is with western liberal democracy.

One of my favorite Hitler stories was about the time in his youth when he toured the Reichstag and wrote that it was a piece of crap. After it burned down he never bothered to repair it. He did not believe in democracy one bit, and neither did the Soviets. Marxism with a twist.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5610503&forum_id=2#48190062)

Do “marxists” have the backing of industrialists? No.

It is true that marx has influenced all sorts of ideologies but that does not make every one of those ideologies Marxist.

And your point that Marx’s ultimate aspiration was that individual nation states could defend themselves with violence is completely wrong and stupid.

“ The other key bridge concepts from Sorel was a rejiggering of Marxism to say that the class struggle is really a struggle between nations.”

Right so it’s not “class struggle” at all. And it’s not Marxism.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5610503&forum_id=2#48190080)

Some other examples of things that are not technically Marxism: Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, Critical Theory, and literally every Communist country ever. Marxism as it was written could have only occurred in 19th century Germany period.

But we still call later movements Marxist even if they are only Marxian, or Marx influenced. My point is that Marx and Sorel directly influenced fascism and national socialism hence why the early Nazi party was so aspirationally left wing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5610503&forum_id=2#48190160)

By the way you have completely outed yourself as someone with no concept of history. While Hitler did expressly denounce Communism he, with equal wrath, denounced free market capitalism. In practice the German economy during the Third Reich was a kleptocracy. The issue with one party centralized states was that when a small group of people retain all the power, a small group of people retain all the power.

Hitler had fantasies about seizing factories and leasing them back to the workers fror cheap. On paper it was all supposed to be in the best interest of the people. But in reality the whole thing ran on personal connections, favors, and theft like any other despotic state. Very Commie-esque in practice.

There was hardly any difference between the Soviets seizing private property and the Nazis. Remember, under the Third Reich it was believed that the government had the right to control every aspect of everyone's lives down to the finest detail. That they used a nominal currency, though heavily inflated, may have been the only standing difference between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union's economies.

Read a book dude lol you have no education

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5610503&forum_id=2#48191954)

Wtf lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5610503&forum_id=2#48190106)

Unity of all Germans: We demand the unification of all Germans in a Greater Germany based on the right of self-determination of peoples.

Equal rights for Germans: We demand equal rights for the German people in its dealings with other nations and the revocation of the Treaty of Versailles and the Treaty of Saint-Germain.

Land and territory: We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people and the settlement of our surplus population.

Citizenship based on race: Only those of German blood, regardless of religion, can be citizens. No Jew can be a member of the nation.

Non-citizens to be treated as foreigners: Non-citizens are subject to the law of foreigners.

The right to vote: Only citizens can vote or hold public office.

State’s duty of welfare: The state must provide a livelihood for its citizens. If it cannot, foreigners (non-Germans) must be expelled to free up resources.

No further immigration: Immigration of non-Germans is to be stopped. All non-Germans who have entered Germany since 1914 must leave.

Equal rights and duties: All citizens must have equal rights and duties.

Abolition of unearned income: All income that is not earned through work (like from interest) must be abolished.

Profit-sharing in large industries: Profits made by major industries must be shared with the people.

Nationalization of industries: Large corporations must be nationalized to serve the common good.

Control of department stores: Department stores and businesses in the retail trade must be regulated and leased to small traders.

Land reform: Land needed for the common good must be confiscated. This excludes property belonging to small farmers.

No interest slavery: The government must nationalize all trusts and centralize the control of credit.

Expansion of the welfare system: We demand extensive development of old-age pensions.

A healthy middle class: We demand the creation of a middle class that is free from big business interests and monopolies.

State education: The state must ensure that all citizens receive higher education and the opportunity for advancement based on merit.

Protection of motherhood and childhood: The state must care for and protect the interests of mothers and children.

A healthy national body: The state must improve public health through physical education and sports.

Abolition of the mercenary army: The army should be a people’s army, and private mercenaries should be abolished.

Legal reform: Roman law, which serves a materialistic world order, must be replaced by German common law.

Press regulation: We demand legal action against lies spread in the press. Media owners who are non-German or spread anti-German content should be excluded from publishing.

Religious freedom: The freedom to practice religion is allowed, as long as it doesn’t endanger the German race or go against the moral sense of the German people.

A strong central government: We demand a strong central authority to uphold the principles of the program and enforce its implementation.

The program was a mix of aggressive nationalism, economic reforms, and social Darwinist ideas.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5610503&forum_id=2#48191986)