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Date: April 15th, 2019 5:04 PM Author: Drab comical casino Can't seem to crack it. Anyone got any tips? Been through Lin and Gayle's books. Getting interviews but not getting offers.
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Date: April 16th, 2019 10:08 PM Author: Beady-eyed bistre sex offender Read Steve Blank The Four Steps to the Epiphany and just quote it...talk like that in the interview.
Also have some vapourware minimum viable product you're working on in the companies space that you can talk about.
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Date: April 20th, 2019 10:01 PM Author: Pearl Unhinged Twinkling Uncleanness Keepsake Machete Hard to understand how you don't know what to say by now..Memorize a pitch and spit it back to every interviewer over and over again. They all ask the same questions (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4242420&forum_id=2#38117364) |
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Date: April 21st, 2019 7:00 AM Author: Drab comical casino Are you a Product Manager? I’m finding that PM interviews are all different based off the type of company and flavor of PM. I’m finding it hard to script an interview - they are hard to prep for and duplicate. There’s no track for PMs per se.
How do you script for PM interviews? |
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Date: April 21st, 2019 10:21 AM Author: Pearl Unhinged Twinkling Uncleanness Keepsake Machete Do you tailor your personal story for every job to adequately demonstrate passion for a particular industry/company? Your background seems pretty standard, so possible that's where the problem lies. What do you say when someone asks why (insert specific tech niche)? Employers give jobs to the most passionate applicants and you're coming off as having no particular interests besides needing a job in product management.
Agree with other posts itt that a job at a startup might be a good move if nothing else to moreso narrow/target your resume. |
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Date: April 21st, 2019 10:39 AM Author: Drab comical casino This is a good point. I do come across as non-compelling. I don't resonate with my interviewers.
Fix for this is to do background research extensively? What should I be doing?
10-K (already do this) quora?
What else?
Really appreciate your insights.
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Date: April 21st, 2019 10:51 AM Author: Pearl Unhinged Twinkling Uncleanness Keepsake Machete I don't think the fix is background research. I think it's finding a way to have more of a humanist touch. Tell stories about growing up where you first got interested in the specific niche. Convince the interviewer that pm role xyz was specifically made for you because of your past experiences. The story needs to fit besides electrical engineering --> top 5 MBA.
Also find a way to connect with the interviewer on a 1-to-1 level. If you're more reserved, ask questions about their background. It's just like a date where you're trying to get the girl to go home with you. PM roles are about managing people and you need to show you can create the necessary connections to get people to do what you want them to do |
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Date: April 22nd, 2019 7:06 AM Author: Drab comical casino Hey man,
You’ve been giving me some solid advice. Any tips to practice/ make a connection with interviewers. I used to be good at connecting during engineering interviews but fail at business interviews. I can connect with people in a non interview setting in a casual setting. I also fail at connecting with women and apparently I make bad first impressions when there’s something at stake. Should I be more deprecating, etc? I think I’m charming but fail at people management - how do you give off the impression that you are a business people manager?
Thanks. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2019 8:40 PM Author: Pearl Unhinged Twinkling Uncleanness Keepsake Machete In terms of the interview, speaking with confidence really goes a long way in building a connection. Try to read the situation. If they're giving you more opportunity to control the conversation, start asking questions and if they start to open up, get more personal with your questions. Maybe go from questions about the position to their background. Try to inject humor, deprecation is always good if you can pull it off. Hide nerves as best as possible, you want to seem like you're in a pleasant mood/at ease with the situation.
In a more general sense, it really takes a lot of practice to figure this all out if you're not a natural. You really need to make social success your number one focus in life in order to make significant progress. Push yourself outside of your comfort zone. Analyze every interaction, what you did well and how it made the other person feel and vice versa. Rinse and repeat, find out what works. Also find a good psych doctor and experiment with using different med combinations in different situations |
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RighteousJim... this applies to dating as well, FYI. |
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Date: May 16th, 2019 1:20 PM Author: Drab comical casino Most epic product failure:
I had to come up with an answer on the fly... so not sure if I fcuked this up. Talked about how we created the program for month and predicted revenue but it wasn't effective because there were a lot of cancellations. The story is not exactly coherent because extending the time frame is not that much of a challenge. On the issue of how to overcome this, chatted about how to look at the problem from all angles and sometimes not take the customers wants as bible and needed to sometimes challenge the customer... and how in the future i would float customer ideas across the entire team.. blah blah .. weak answer...
How would you work with a UX (Designer):
Rambled a bit and talked about user stories, user journer and how I did wireframes. Also mentioned that I sometimes work with the designer (because he's a contractor) - rambled here also on how I don't always involve him because of resource constraints, and involve him on major decisions... Weakest answer was the above... |
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the questions you ask in the interview are as important as your answers
2) UX is driven product's roadmap and strategy. the product is your baby. you are going to work collaboratively but UX must fit into the whole ecosystem of how product is going to be positioned in the market and you are going to drive the UX to achieve the goals of the product. Give some specific examples (make up shit that is BELIEVABLE if you have to)
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