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Sam Altman: maybe selling AI by tokens was a mistake (link)

https://x.com/businessinsider/status/2062211094450434219?s=6...
beady-eyed charcoal center
  06/04/26
american closed model providers are going to get their assho...
avocado hairraiser immigrant
  06/04/26
no corp is gonna run chinese crap at enterprise scale
Know-it-all Idea He Suggested Abode
  06/04/26
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fragrant alcoholic base
  06/04/26
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  06/04/26
Everything else is made in China. China provoded tons of ser...
cheese-eating comical church building toaster
  06/04/26
its more comparable to telecom prohibitions than importing r...
Know-it-all Idea He Suggested Abode
  06/04/26
Why are the telecom prohibitons necessary if corp wouldn't u...
cheese-eating comical church building toaster
  06/04/26
the US government will just make it illegal to use chinese A...
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  06/04/26
They are all distilled counterfeit garbage anyway
fragrant alcoholic base
  06/04/26
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Know-it-all Idea He Suggested Abode
  06/04/26
yeah but he's right that a lot of companies would otherwise ...
Wild bright corn cake public bath
  06/04/26
enterprise foundation models dont charge per token except fo...
Know-it-all Idea He Suggested Abode
  06/04/26
They can just use cheap US models. What jobs really need fro...
fragrant alcoholic base
  06/04/26
they can't and won't
avocado hairraiser immigrant
  06/04/26
ofc they can, the whole US economy is going to revolve aroun...
Wild bright corn cake public bath
  06/04/26
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Know-it-all Idea He Suggested Abode
  06/04/26
They can and won't.
cheese-eating comical church building toaster
  06/04/26
no, they can't. we are completely beholden to china wrt trad...
avocado hairraiser immigrant
  06/04/26
This is all reasoning for the "won't" bucket. We c...
cheese-eating comical church building toaster
  06/04/26
has anyone tried coding with chinese models?
Trip University
  06/04/26
Yeah it's not horrible but now that codex 5.5 is insane you ...
fragrant alcoholic base
  06/04/26
is it really that much cheaper or better than claude code?
Trip University
  06/04/26
Yeah it's significantly cheaper Open AI appears to be heavil...
fragrant alcoholic base
  06/04/26
They nerfed codex usage limits massively on the 1st
Nubile brunch
  06/04/26
How many times have people said "Have you ever tried us...
cheese-eating comical church building toaster
  06/04/26
I don't have coding needs (until I try to make a video game)...
Peach Stage Jew
  06/04/26


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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:21 AM
Author: beady-eyed charcoal center

https://x.com/businessinsider/status/2062211094450434219?s=61

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914690)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:28 AM
Author: avocado hairraiser immigrant

american closed model providers are going to get their assholds eaten out by low cost chinese models and are scared shitless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914700)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:28 AM
Author: Know-it-all Idea He Suggested Abode

no corp is gonna run chinese crap at enterprise scale

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914701)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:35 AM
Author: fragrant alcoholic base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914719)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:39 AM
Author: green travel guidebook gay wizard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914742)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:48 AM
Author: cheese-eating comical church building toaster

Everything else is made in China. China provoded tons of services that use our data. There's no reason to think AI will be different unless the government prohibits it. Companies will always eventually go with the lowest cost thing that does the job at an enterprise level.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914775)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:51 AM
Author: Know-it-all Idea He Suggested Abode

its more comparable to telecom prohibitions than importing rubber trash cans

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914792)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:55 AM
Author: cheese-eating comical church building toaster

Why are the telecom prohibitons necessary if corp wouldn't use them?

Because, like I said, they will use it unless it's prohibited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914797)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:32 AM
Author: Wild bright corn cake public bath

the US government will just make it illegal to use chinese AI models

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914711)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:35 AM
Author: fragrant alcoholic base

They are all distilled counterfeit garbage anyway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914723)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:36 AM
Author: Know-it-all Idea He Suggested Abode



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:37 AM
Author: Wild bright corn cake public bath

yeah but he's right that a lot of companies would otherwise use them anyway because they're an order of magnitude cheaper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914729)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:40 AM
Author: Know-it-all Idea He Suggested Abode

enterprise foundation models dont charge per token except for frontier capabilities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914745)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:55 AM
Author: fragrant alcoholic base

They can just use cheap US models. What jobs really need frontier reasoning?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914800)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:38 AM
Author: avocado hairraiser immigrant

they can't and won't

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914736)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:43 AM
Author: Wild bright corn cake public bath

ofc they can, the whole US economy is going to revolve around AI soon

they will be forced to even if they didn't want to

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914757)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:44 AM
Author: Know-it-all Idea He Suggested Abode



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914763)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:48 AM
Author: cheese-eating comical church building toaster

They can and won't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914777)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:17 PM
Author: avocado hairraiser immigrant

no, they can't. we are completely beholden to china wrt trade and this is an important enough arms race that the chinese government would buttfuck us if we tried.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49915036)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:04 PM
Author: cheese-eating comical church building toaster

This is all reasoning for the "won't" bucket. We certainly have the ability to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49916096)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:55 AM
Author: Trip University

has anyone tried coding with chinese models?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914798)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 11:56 AM
Author: fragrant alcoholic base

Yeah it's not horrible but now that codex 5.5 is insane you can't really just go back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914803)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:00 PM
Author: Trip University

is it really that much cheaper or better than claude code?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914820)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:02 PM
Author: fragrant alcoholic base

Yeah it's significantly cheaper Open AI appears to be heavily subsidizing the cost. It's like twice as cheap for input tokens and 20-40% cheaper on output depending which gpt pricing tier you aare using. Also not just for tokens for the 100 dollar plan on codex vs claude you get way more usage. Claude depletes faster during peak hours too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914828)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:46 PM
Author: Nubile brunch

They nerfed codex usage limits massively on the 1st

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49915825)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:05 PM
Author: cheese-eating comical church building toaster

How many times have people said "Have you ever tried using a Xhinese X?" about a products that are now exclusively produced in China?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49914841)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:53 PM
Author: Peach Stage Jew

I don't have coding needs (until I try to make a video game). But I've used deepseek for a bunch of basic, non-legal shit, and it generally sucked

The only good point I can think of is that it wouldn't bullshit when it was caught not following the prompt or not pulling data. ChatGPT and most American models dig their heels in and seem to intentionally fuck up requests once they've been caught

An example is that I was using AI for some dividend screening help. Despite explicit instructions to conduct research by calculating yields based on the prior day's closing price, it would pull 3 and then make up the rest (about 7 in total). When called on it, it would admit to the problem of not pulling data. I would explicitly tell it to pull the data for all tickers to generate the yield data. It would regenerate the data but refuse to pull the actual data for multiple tickers each time.

After four rounds of this, it finally suggested starting all over with a clean prompt tomorrow

If the Chinese models can get better quality-wise, they will fucking eat these lazy American LLMs for lunch. But that day is not yet here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5871022&forum_id=2#49915832)