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Pro-Russia Pragmatists: have your views evolved at all?
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:22 PM Author: angry stimulating public bath alpha A significant contingent of vocal anti-Ukraine posters had their views rooted in the belief that: 1) russia is going to win anyway; 2) Half the people in Ukraine actually support being part of Russia; and 3) We should just stay out of it because it's not our war and we don't really care who wins.
Are you still rooting for Russia to win? If so why?
Do you think we should help Russia defeat Ukraine? If so why?
Do you acknowledge that you were wrong about most of your assumptions, many of which were based on talking points fed to people like Joe Rogan?
Does it bother you that despite the US pulling nearly all military support, Ukraine was able to find more success on its own?
Was it a good or bad thing that we openly turned our back on our allies which in turn strengthened their unity and, in part, alienated us? |
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Date: July 15th, 2026 7:19 PM Author: Topaz giraffe university every normal person doesn’t give a fuck and doesn’t want us to give them money. The fact that these retards keep killing each other is a good thing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50002759) |
Date: July 13th, 2026 12:24 PM Author: avocado hairless quadroon becky Now that Trump is in charge, I think we should blow them all to hell (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996535) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:28 PM Author: Supple native I will admit I assumed Russia was going to easily push their shit in just based on looking at a map and pop #s. I was wrong. The Ukraine has done a great job obviously in holding on. I still don't give a shit one way or the other (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996546) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:39 PM Author: angry stimulating public bath alpha So you care enough to take a position and articulate it but only until you are proven wrong? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996591) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:41 PM Author: Supple native I'm beginning to suspect this thread was not started from a 100% neutral good faith posture (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996595) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:42 PM Author: angry stimulating public bath alpha i don't think i've ever claimed to be neutral. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996602) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:31 PM Author: Green multi-colored house boiling water most "anti ukraine" people were only ever opposed to ukraine because of how openly and egregiously hostile they and their supporters have been to america and americans
ukraine could have had overwhelming support from regular americans all along if the comically evil and hostile jews and ukranians themselves could have exercised a modicum of self control, self awareness, and strategical thinking instead of acting utterly psychopathic toward americans at every opportunity |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:37 PM Author: angry stimulating public bath alpha "Actually I agreed with you all along. I would have been totally on your side if you just said please and thank you."
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:40 PM Author: Green multi-colored house boiling water yeah, probably. me and everyone else in america too. jews and slavs don't understand this because they have no capacity for empathy, politeness, golden rule, etc
literally all it would have taken for everyone in america to have been pro-ukraine is if the above groups would not have been so hostile to americans. even despite that, they still enjoyed a lot of initial support, until the absurd hostility wore on the public long enough that they said good riddance and tuned out |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:48 PM Author: avocado hairless quadroon becky basically you and TDNW and LFOD should keep your big retarded fat mouths shut next time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996610) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 1:51 PM Author: maize international law enforcement agency milk I just didn’t like zelinski because he’s a Jewish dwarf. Otherwise couldn’t care less either way unless someone demands my money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996786) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:35 PM Author: irradiated theater stage place of business Yes. I thought it was mostly a lost cause and needless waste of life. After all this is a life or death fight for Russia. They need the plains closed and with pop decline this was their last chance to secure the border. I didn't expect the shift in warfare.
A couple of observations... Ukraine was clearly given the greenlight to attack Russian oil infrastructure. I believe that was mostly off limits before. There is also deeper and better targeting. That's clearly being supplied by the US. Basically we opened the playbook up on asymmetrical war there. Keep in mind this is about energy leverage and fucking over China. Keep that goal in mind and things make more sense. |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:41 PM Author: angry stimulating public bath alpha They weren't "given the green light". The US lost all leverage to control how and where Ukraine attacks Russia. Ukraine developed its own drone technologies.
Do you have support for the US providing the weapons or intelligence that has allowed Ukraine to strike targets deep in Russia? |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 1:38 PM Author: spectacular death wish menage This is nonsense. Targeting data is provided with US Intel and Palantir. Starlink provides connectivity for the drones. Even the tech in the drones is donated from allies. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996733) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 3:11 PM Author: Bateful Dull Black Woman Hell Jeff Kogan never not talking out of his ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996957) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 3:23 PM Author: spectacular death wish menage Mods? This shit is why this place is dying and why many of us now go months before coming back here. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996984) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 3:30 PM Author: Bateful Dull Black Woman Hell Good. You are a shitty poaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49997001) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 2:11 PM Author: irradiated theater stage place of business First, there would be no war without US support. Do I have links for classified information being supplied in a live war?
You are entirely correct that this represents a major shift. Previously, the U.S. strongly opposed Ukrainian strikes on Russian energy infrastructure, but evidence and official statements from late 2025 and 2026 show that the U.S. has not only stopped restricting these attacks, but is actively supporting them. ## The Previous Stance: Biden Administration Opposition During President Joe Biden's tenure, Washington staunchly opposed Ukraine targeting Russian oil refineries and energy logistics. * **The Concern:** The primary fear was that disrupting Russian refining and energy capacity would trigger a spike in global energy prices, driving up inflation and gasoline costs in the U.S. * **The Reality:** While Ukraine still carried out sporadic drone strikes using its own domestic technology, it did so under heavy diplomatic pressure from the U.S. to show restraint. ## The Shift: Intelligence Sharing & Direct Support Under the Trump administration, the U.S. policy underwent a complete reversal, transforming from active opposition to quiet—and sometimes overt—collaboration. ### 1. Active Intelligence Assistance According to reports from the *Financial Times* and regional security sources, the U.S. has been actively helping Ukraine plan and execute deep strikes on Russian energy targets. * **Flight Pathing:** U.S. intelligence has reportedly provided Ukraine with data on optimal flight paths, altitudes, and timing to allow Ukrainian long-range drones to bypass Russian air defenses. * **Target Vulnerabilities:** While Ukraine selects the specific facilities to hit, the U.S. has provided detailed intelligence on the structural vulnerabilities of those refineries to maximize the impact of the strikes. ### 2. Targeting the "Shadow Fleet" In December 2025, reports emerged that the U.S. had given Ukraine the green light to target "shadow fleet" tankers transporting Russian crude oil in international waters—a move the previous administration strictly prohibited to protect maritime trade stability. The U.S. did not object to these strikes, viewing them as a viable way to degrade Russia’s sanction-evading oil logistics. ## Official U.S. Rhetoric: "An Escalation that Brings Peace Closer" The U.S. position transitioned from behind-the-scenes intelligence support to public political justification. During the NATO summit in July 2026, President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Marco Rubio openly addressed Ukraine's campaign against Russian oil refineries: * **Secretary of State Marco Rubio** acknowledged that while the deep strikes are an escalation, they are changing the dynamics of the war by showing Russia cannot defend its own airspace. He noted: *"We hope this will create space for negotiations to end the war. It is an escalation, but at the same time, such an escalation could help bring it to a close."* * **President Donald Trump** echoed this sentiment, agreeing that degrading Russia's energy economy is a necessary lever to "make them feel pain" and pressure Vladimir Putin into a diplomatic settlement. > **The Result:** Driven by U.S. intelligence and tactical approval, Ukrainian drone strikes on Russian refineries increased more than 10-fold in early 2026 compared to the previous year, taking a significant portion of Russia's domestic refining capacity offline. >
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:44 PM Author: Glassy Mewling Hissy Fit I assumed Russia would crush them.
I have never wanted a single American life or dollar spent defending “the Ukraine” and that is my only priority. I could not care less what Slavs do to or with the other Slavs, leave my country out of it. |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:50 PM Author: angry stimulating public bath alpha what was your assumption based on? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996614) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 2:00 PM Author: Glassy Mewling Hissy Fit Bigger, lots of people, lots of equipment, classic Slavic zero cares about sending their people to death, more experience waging land wars, faith that America wouldn't be dumb enough to get involved in a proxy war in Eurasia when we have no real stake in the outcome (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996814) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:54 PM Author: spectacular death wish menage "Are you still rooting for Russia to win? If so why?"
Yes, for the same reasons I always have. Ukrainian nationalists are assholes that deserve to lose and the whole thing is backed by the worst people on the planet (Soros types along with neocons). I've noticed that the more familiar people are with W. Ukrainians (the culture that is being extolled) the less they like them. Right now Ukraine is in a huge fight with Poland because Ukraine has decided to lionize the UPA/OUN (Nazis in WW2 that massacred hundreds of thousands of Poles, mostly women and children, along with Ukrainians that commited the crime of trying to save innocents and of course Jews and Russians. Also noteworthy was their particular sadism and brutality in how they murdered their victims).
"Do you think we should help Russia defeat Ukraine? If so why?"
A part of me would love this but in reality we should have stayed out of this from day 1. Of course, we helped create every aspect of this and if we didn't do that then this war wouldn't have happened in the first place. Our ideal foreign policy is that we should avoid these foreign wars but I guess if we have to pick a side then I'd rather we side with Russia.
"Do you acknowledge that you were wrong about most of your assumptions, many of which were based on talking points fed to people like Joe Rogan?"
Exactly 0 of my thoughts on Russia/Ukraine are based on anything Rogan or really any American has told me.
"Does it bother you that despite the US pulling nearly all military support, Ukraine was able to find more success on its own?"
At no point was Ukraine "on its own." The EU increased funding, existing funding from the Biden era is still going to Ukraine. They continue to get Starlink, intelligence sharing and weapons even if the weapons sometimes come through an indirect route.
"Was it a good or bad thing that we openly turned our back on our allies which in turn strengthened their unity and, in part, alienated us?"
Good. A lot of our "allies" are assholes too.
Question for you in return: thoughts on the big push to deport Ukrainian refugees of military age back to Ukraine so they can be conscripted? |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:54 PM Author: Supple native is this fish? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996629) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 12:56 PM Author: spectacular death wish menage Might be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996639) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 3:17 PM Author: Bateful Dull Black Woman Hell Very Jewish post, Kogan (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996969) |
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Date: July 14th, 2026 8:50 AM Author: angry stimulating public bath alpha This thread isn't for you. It's aimed at "pro-Russia pragmatists" i.e. people who otherwise have no dog in the fight but sided with Russia because they were Trump supporters and/or were fed a couple false pro-Russia talking points.
You are a Russian loyalist who identifies as Russian. I don't care at all what you think on this topic. |
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Date: July 15th, 2026 8:28 PM Author: spectacular death wish menage "I don't want to talk to people whose family are from there and actually know wtf is going on, I want to talk to regular Americans so I can glibly explain that they're wrong for not adopting my position."
By the way, if I were a regular American I can 100% describe what my reaction would be because it is my standard reaction to global affairs and stupid neocon bs. I would say "we should spend exactly $0 on this and stay out if it." And indeed, this is what most "pro-Russians" are actually saying. |
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Date: July 15th, 2026 11:18 PM Author: deranged mad-dog skullcap school cafeteria At least 50 times over the last 6 months as the news of the war has gotten worse and worse for Russia I’ve thought about your dumb little midget ass turning as red as the USSR flag reading the same story I was reading at the time and it really brightens my day every time it happens. I didn’t used to instinctively hate Russians but you and your ilk on this bort have cultivated a lifelong animosity in me toward every Russian I will ever encounter. When I’m on a hiring committee and a Russian applies that’s an auto-ding. When I see a thot on ig or otherwise hawking her OF and she’s Russian I am immediately uninterested in her sexually and hope that she’s resorted to prostituting herself on the Internet because her husband, brother and father all died after meeting the business end of a Ukrainian drone. If I meet a Russian IRL I’m as rude and unhelpful as possible. Thats the effect you have on people. HTFH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50003314) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 9:57 AM Author: angry stimulating public bath alpha You and your family have no connection to Ukraine, Ukrainian culture, ethnicity or identity.
None of you now or ever see yourselves as Ukrainian or identified as Ukrainian. You are "russian jews" who happened to live for a brief period of time in Ukraine.
I've watched you make countless intentional misstatements to the board in some effort to garner support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and murder of innocent people.
I genuinely hope bad things happen to you.
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Date: July 17th, 2026 7:10 PM Author: spectacular death wish menage "You and your family have no connection to Ukraine, Ukrainian culture, ethnicity or identity."
Except that pretty much everyone is from Ukraine.
"None of you now or ever see yourselves as Ukrainian or identified as Ukrainian"
Very definitive statement.
"You are "russian jews" who happened to live for a brief period of time in Ukraine."
You mean for many, many generations? Also, some were Jews and many were not. But your family isn't actually from Ukraine at all (Moldova is not Ukraine) and yours were all Jewish. So not sure I would adopt this particular tactic if I were you.
"I've watched you make countless intentional misstatements to the board in some effort to garner support for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and murder of innocent people."
Such as?
"I genuinely hope bad things happen to you."
That's not very nice at all. It does show the kind of person you are irl though. |
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Date: July 18th, 2026 8:40 AM Author: Cowardly Appetizing Cruise Ship Cuckoldry “Aside from me, there is no true Ukrainian” — Dupa (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50008004) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 1:00 PM Author: pearly talented center I do believe we should help Russia defeat Ukraine as a show of good will after breaking our promises related to NATO expansion and as a jab against liberals domestically (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996646) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 2:03 PM Author: Odious Lodge Sex Offender (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996820) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 3:07 PM Author: spectacular death wish menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996949) |
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Date: July 15th, 2026 7:36 PM Author: trip background story (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50002783) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 1:29 PM Author: vigorous purple corner telephone Looks like Kramatorsk is dun here and then it's all flat lands to Kiev. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996719) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 1:39 PM Author: spectacular death wish menage Konstantinovka, not Kramatorsk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996736) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 1:41 PM Author: vigorous purple corner telephone I said Kramatorsk, bitchtits (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996745) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 3:06 PM Author: spectacular death wish menage DRGs haven't even penetrated the outskirts yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996948) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 3:28 PM Author: vigorous purple corner telephone https://www.bostonherald.com/2026/06/27/putins-glide-bombs-are-turning-ukraines-fortress-city-into-rubble/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996996) |
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Date: July 15th, 2026 7:17 PM Author: vigorous purple corner telephone "Russian assault units are operating near Vasilevskaya Pustosh, which is less than three kilometers from the outskirts of Kramatorsk."
https://x.com/i/status/2077493722103566731 |
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Date: July 15th, 2026 10:33 PM Author: vigorous purple corner telephone https://x.com/i/status/2077494419717018108 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50003245) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 8:01 AM Author: vigorous purple corner telephone https://x.com/i/status/2077721061924442513 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50003553) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 1:46 PM Author: vigorous purple corner telephone Russian forces are now less than 5km away from the City of Kramatorsk.
https://x.com/i/status/2077794206253269036 |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 1:46 PM Author: bearded swashbuckling new version it’s pretty simple: they supported Russia invading Ukraine because Russia got Trump elected. If you pull up con favorability polls towards Russia pre-2016 it was single digits. After 2016 it jumped to 60-70% (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996767) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 2:07 PM Author: angry stimulating public bath alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996826) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 1:57 PM Author: lilac legal warrant I supported ukraine cause they were white nationalist football hooligan nazis and far less asiatic & nonwhite than russians but then faggot libs and shitglobalist kikes made them their current thing and it was offputting to me, but it was pretty clear russia could never actually win this war and I'm starting to think it is a kayfabe thing to kill off millions of their unproductive alcoholic Men while enriching L3Harris & Palantir shareholders (me) so they can import tons of utterly brown people to be serfs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996802) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 1:59 PM Author: vigorous purple corner telephone You think Russia will withdraw? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996810) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 2:05 PM Author: lilac legal warrant it will play out like the Yugoslav wars it's the same playbook all over again (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996822) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 2:08 PM Author: vigorous purple corner telephone I'll take that as a no (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996827) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 1:58 PM Author: Odious Lodge Sex Offender I stopped caring after Prigozhin's arc. The whole thing has gotten stale and nothing interesting is going on anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996808) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 3:15 PM Author: aphrodisiac narrow-minded fortuitous meteor Russia is going to kill every last Ukrainian. Nothing has changed. When they are all dead Russia will kill every last Balt. When they are all dead Russia will kill every last Pole. When they are all dead Russia will kill every last German. We may or may not kill every last Frenchman too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49996965) |
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Date: July 18th, 2026 6:58 AM Author: citrine vibrant site Nigga you're some faggy watch collector and Russia has like three people of fighting age left. It's a dying country full of old drunks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50007948) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 3:30 PM Author: Ocher floppy police squad Everyone who supports “Ukraine” is still a retarded libfaggot, so no - and until that changes I don’t expect my views on any of this to change (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49997000) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 3:46 PM Author: Chocolate Fragrant Address Nowag What does your wife think of people like Mandy?
Traitor? Does she even care? |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 10:12 AM Author: primrose thirsty striped hyena Can't speak for his wife but your typical ukrainian nationalist hates anyone russian (and i grew up speaking russian) and anyone jewish (and i grew up with a jewish last name). These are people that hate me and always have, regardless of my political views. They are shitheads that hate most people. Americans don't always know the history but they are intuitively figuring out the nature of who they are dealing with. Some people are just assholes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50003719) |
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Date: July 13th, 2026 6:00 PM Author: bearded swashbuckling new version Basically cons are pissed that Ukraine was able to defend itself so well against mother Russia so now they pretend they don’t care (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49997315) |
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Date: July 14th, 2026 8:50 AM Author: angry stimulating public bath alpha cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#49998517) |
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Date: July 15th, 2026 7:22 PM Author: Topaz giraffe university “Cons” are pissed because we pissed away billions over this Soviet bullshit they should work out themselves. No one gives a flying fuck which group of second world faggots control the “dornbros” or whatever the fuck. Way to have the dumbest take yet again you tranny pedo retard (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50002761) |
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Date: July 15th, 2026 11:06 PM Author: adventurous twinkling factory reset button lol, please. Trump had Vance endorse Orban and do a rally for him. You do care. You and your ilk are now distancing yourselves from the debacle. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50003294) |
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Date: July 15th, 2026 11:26 PM Author: Topaz giraffe university I have no idea who the fuck “Orban” is nor does like 99% of America probably. This Ukraine shit is just retarded and gay and we should have nothing to do with it. Fuck wasting billions over multiple years for some Soviet second world bullshit beefs about crap from the 1600s
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Date: July 16th, 2026 10:54 AM Author: adventurous twinkling factory reset button The right wing dorks rooting for Russia know him. The whole “I’m just an isolationist” schtick is BS. Vance and the right-wing losers want Russia to succeed. Vance can’t be open about it because it’s such an unpopular position. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50003787) |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 11:48 AM Author: Topaz giraffe university Literally no normal American cares about that shithole corner of the world you immigrant trash dork. That’s great you value the mother country you fled from over the one that was nice enough to take you in but to the rest of us it’s just a bunch of second world commie retards who’ve never been to a dentist killing each other like they have been for centuries. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50003951) |
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Date: July 19th, 2026 3:41 PM Author: bearded swashbuckling new version (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50010326) |
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Date: July 18th, 2026 6:49 AM Author: angry stimulating public bath alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50007947) |
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Date: July 15th, 2026 8:34 PM Author: primrose thirsty striped hyena Are you still rooting for Russia to win? If so why? - yes and for the same reasons as before. Ukrainians are shitheads. It's a shit culture, the language is Russian ebonics, and the only reason their "side" exists is because western propaganda decided they made for useful pawns.
Do you think we should help Russia defeat Ukraine? If so why? - Honestly no. I think we should stay the fuck out of it.
Do you acknowledge that you were wrong about most of your assumptions, many of which were based on talking points fed to people like Joe Rogan? - Lol no.
Does it bother you that despite the US pulling nearly all military support, Ukraine was able to find more success on its own? - No. See above. Stay. The fuck. Out of it.
Was it a good or bad thing that we openly turned our back on our allies which in turn strengthened their unity and, in part, alienated us? - America has no allies in Ukraine and never did. |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 11:17 AM Author: bronze impertinent indian lodge Ukraine is fine but some of the Ukrainians I meet in the US tend to be quite odd and a little off putting. I chalk it up to prolonged war trauma but frankly most of the ones who could afford to be where I've met them are likely internationalists and not super entwined with the actual substance and sufferings of the Ukrainian peoples. Slavs in general in the US seem to have become quite grim but this is anecdotal and not representative of a sufficient sample size to make a decision based off of Russia has a legitimate cultural claim to the region but politically there is nothing worth respecting there on the Russian end. Maybe with regime change, which is not likely to happen with any of the current Russian dissidents. Read quite a bit about the contemporary Russian political structure and was not at all impressed with what the UR coalition nor the apparatus that it serves has become. Putin is possibly losing his edge and there's no clear successor. I side with Ukraine for now. Russia also appears to be out of deployable conscripts and war ready materiel and are resorting to dipping into their mid range ballistic missile stockpile to punish the Ukrainians without further troop deployments. Probably good news for Ukraine |
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Date: July 16th, 2026 1:44 PM Author: vigorous purple corner telephone Ukrainian friend (partisan) inside Kyiv-Kiev
He said to me today “once Kramatorsk and Slovainsk falls, half army will quit”
https://x.com/i/status/2077797370625130732 |
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Date: July 17th, 2026 8:08 PM Author: aphrodisiac narrow-minded fortuitous meteor And Russia will kill every last Ukrainian regardless of surrender. They all have to die. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50007372) |
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Date: July 18th, 2026 6:58 AM Author: splenetic institution gay wizard Pragmatically, I think backing one of the world's nuclear powers (and the only nuclear power besides the US that can conduct a counterforce first strike) into a corner is a terrible idea. If the goal is to get Russia to implode and make China foot the bill, I sort of understand it. That said, if Russia wins (pragmatically), another jenga block is pulled from the tower of nuclear non-proliferation. No middle power is going to sit still knowing they have no security umbrella from any country not willing to fight a conventional forever war with sticks and drones But what do I know? xP |
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Date: July 18th, 2026 7:05 AM Author: aphrodisiac narrow-minded fortuitous meteor Putin is the only reason Warsaw and Berlin aren’t already craters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50007954) |
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Date: July 18th, 2026 10:47 AM Author: bronze impertinent indian lodge That's what he wants you to think, anyway The truth is that he's been losing power over his house of cards to Shogyu's increasingly independent MoD and a variety of oligarchs looking to buck the old FSB state security apparatus and replace it with another Yeltsin type market puppet |
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Date: July 18th, 2026 10:54 AM Author: bronze impertinent indian lodge On Trump's end: credible threat to make Europeans increase defense spending, leverage over Putin to secure goals wrt China (if he uses it) via Ukrainian foreverwar suffering On Zelensky's end: infinite aid dollars to shovel into his backers to maintain domestic power and suppress the anti-NATO and NATO-agnostic opposition On Putin's end: shore up a series of emergency powers to keep control over the UR coalition/plotting state apparatuses and weed out what he perceives as shaky hands in the siloviki structure On Europe's end: these are all women and gays it doesn't really matter |
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Date: July 18th, 2026 10:23 AM Author: vivacious vermilion heaven Ukraine is never, ever getting their territory back and we are just wasting money pretending otherwise. This has been true and obvious for years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50008075) |
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Date: July 18th, 2026 1:17 PM Author: aphrodisiac narrow-minded fortuitous meteor They can’t be allowed to live. Moscow will kill them all. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50008275) |
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Date: July 19th, 2026 4:07 PM Author: Cracking stubborn associate genital piercing The only reasonable conclusion is that the two sides are in on it together with the aim of destroying their own countries ala Consuela Theory of One World System. Any proponent of it could have told you from the outset that this would end in the stalemate it's in now, with only a ton of suffering accrued to the people of both countries and further degradation of nation states/power accrual in the globalists hands. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5882292&forum_id=2#50010375) |