If you’re an atheist the intellectually coherent route is to just be skeptical about moral facts while recognizing that if they exist, they’re clearly stance dependent. The actual smart atheists do this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5313256&forum_id=2#46100431)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5313256&forum_id=2#46100447)

Moral statements are stance independent because they express propositions about the world. They are stance independent for exactly the same reason as "grass is green" is stance independent.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5313256&forum_id=2#46100686)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5313256&forum_id=2#46100773)

go read this https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/moral-realism/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5313256&forum_id=2#46100783)

Like it's okay to do this when you're a college undergrad and thinking about these things for the first time and you're just starting out trying to figure out the world. But these "academics" and "intellectuals" who are in their 50s and 60s and 70s and still babbling this kind of nonsense are just beyond pathetic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5313256&forum_id=2#46100570)

I remember arguing with a professor in his 60's who was a relatively well respected ethicist and his arguments were absurd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5313256&forum_id=2#46100613)

On the last day of class, the tension was palpable as everyone knew the professor would once again ask if anyone still believed in God. Mustering the courage to stand up, I found myself the center of attention as the professor, surprised and sneering, attempted to ridicule me with a series of tests.

The first test was the infamous "chalk test." The professor held up a piece of chalk and declared that if God truly existed, He would prevent the chalk from breaking when it hit the ground. With a dismissive smirk, he let the chalk fall. However, as it tumbled down, it miraculously rolled down his shirt, bounced off his pant leg, and landed safely on his shoe, unbroken.

Stunned but undeterred, the professor moved on to the second test, which he called the "paddle test." He produced a wooden paddle and proclaimed that if God existed, He would protect his TA from feeling pain when he struck her with the paddle. As the professor swung the heavy paddle towards his hapless TA (who couldn't say anything since she was on a student visa), it slipped from his grasp and clattered harmlessly to the floor. His smirk faded as the class gasped in disbelief.

Growing increasingly desperate, the professor proceeded to the third and final test: the "kitten test." He produced a small guillotine with a frightened kitten placed beneath the blade. He announced that if God was real, He would prevent any harm from coming to the innocent creature. As the professor released the blade, it halted just a hair's breadth from the kitten, which then scampered to safety. The professor's face reddened with embarrassment as the class murmured in astonishment.

Flustered and defeated, the professor fled the room, leaving me with a captive audience of my peers. Seizing the opportunity, I shared my faith with the class for the next 30 minutes. I talked about the flaws in the professor's arguments and emphasized the importance of keeping an open mind when it comes to matters of faith. The class listened intently, and they all clapped at the end of my speech. Among the students, a Navy SEAL approached me and commended my courage, saying that what I did was harder than BUD/S training. Another 'student' (who just happened to be stopping by that day) was none other than the brilliant physicist Freeman Dyson. Inspired by the events, he proclaimed, "Only God could bring us together, and I'm going to march right back into the physics department of Oxford and demand they re-institute the Lord's Prayer."

In the days that followed, rumors circulated about the professor's sinful ways, including cheating on his wife with graduate students. The professor's name? Richard Carrier.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5313256&forum_id=2#46100844)