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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:12 PM Author: Sienna stirring plaza water buffalo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObH28ekBeaE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371476) |
Date: May 30th, 2023 2:19 PM Author: Swollen Wine Theater i do not know the law, legally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371510) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:25 PM Author: Rambunctious Lake Property Pocket Flask Clearly they are coached to say they don't know the law... reminds me of "STOP RESISTING" shit, where they know damn well what's going on but this is apparently the safer course of action. Obv I could be wrong |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:26 PM Author: Soul-stirring karate yarmulke why would they be coached to do this? they now look like they are either incompetent or lying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371540) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:27 PM Author: Rambunctious Lake Property Pocket Flask "I know the law" --> OK so you willfully violated the law (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371547) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:33 PM Author: diverse spot becky I don't think cops have ever been required to "know the law." It's a case-specific analysis as to whether they had reasonable suspicion to detain the suspect. A cop can have reasonable suspicion without knowing reasonable suspicion is necessary. For that matter questions like "do you know what's required to certain a suspect?" is an idiotic question since there are an infinite number of things that could theoretically "required." Maybe the cop is required to be on duty. Maybe the cop is required to ensure they have all the necessary tools on hand and don't need backup before attempting arrest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371565) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:41 PM Author: Soul-stirring karate yarmulke no. more like "i don't know what miranda rights are," "i don't know what the difference is between arrest and detain" = i have no credibility because i'm lying to you under oath. these were very basic questions. admitting that you know what miranda rights are do not lead to a conclusion that you violated those rights, unless you violated those rights.
i'm just not seeing why they would intentionally deny knowing literally anything. |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:44 PM Author: diverse spot becky All they need to know is what went down when they arrested the perp, how the evidence was handled, that type of shit. You can't do anything with these answers in a criminal trial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371622) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:48 PM Author: Soul-stirring karate yarmulke i think the depos were in connection with a civil trial. not a crimbro but do depositions even happen in criminal trials?
if i am correct, then the plaintiff was probably trying to establish negligence on the part of the state for either failing to train their officers or promoting people who might actually qualify as retarded into positions of power. the theory would be that as a result of that negligence, these two geniuses violated the plaintiff's rights and caused her some kind of harm. |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:53 PM Author: diverse spot becky I still don't see a motive to have the cops answer any other way. Negligence requires proof these cops have some duty they breached. The burden of proof is on P to prove the duty exists. If one of these cops starts talking like Dershowitz it's going to add weight to that claim. I wonder who the defendant even is here. I assume it's the municipality, not the police department or the individual cops. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371659) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 3:01 PM Author: Soul-stirring karate yarmulke i think the opposite is true. if the cops sit there and claim not to know anything about very basic legal principles, that's going to make the plaintiff's case, the theory of which is probably that the city, county or state or whatever was negligent in not providing appropriate training because the plaintiff should not have been detained or had her camera taken from her.
sure, them talking like dershowitz would be odd and not help, but they were being asked shit like "do you have to have a reason to hold someone" "can you arrest someone for not telling you their name" and shit like that. if they truly do not know these things, that is pretty clear evidence that the state is employing cops who are inadequately trained and might establish that the lack of training led to the plaintiff's injuries. |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 3:06 PM Author: diverse spot becky I don't see how that's clear. I think you still have to prove the municipality has an obligation to train cops on that shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371759) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 3:12 PM Author: Soul-stirring karate yarmulke fair point, but is there really an argument that the state actor doesn't have any obligation to make sure that cops know when they can and cannot arrest someone, shoot someone etc? i mean, surely a city can't just hire cops and go "hey, here's a badge and a gun. good luck!" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371790) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 3:26 PM Author: diverse spot becky It seems like it hinges on how egregious (if at all) the cops' actions were. I think you'd have to argue the cops had some other motive (e.g. racism) and the basis for the arrest was just pretext. Isn't that harm we're supposed to be guarding against? If the cops fucked up in some non-arbitrary way, like they just plain fucked up and thought they had the right to demand someone show ID, they weren't acting with any sort of malign intent. The city can't rely on these same cops to be incompetent in ways that advance some corrupt purpose, because their incompetence will manifest in random, unpredictable ways. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371852) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 2:04 AM Author: 180 bearded stead travel guidebook I'm assuming this is a 1983 suit, so the pleadings on their face argue that the cops had some other motive, specifically depriving the plaintiff of their Constititutional rights--in this case, the plaintiff's 4th amendment rights. With respect to 4A specifically, there's no need to show that the officers intended to violate the plaintiff's rights, just that their actions were objectively unreasonable in light of the facts and circumstances confronting them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46374052) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:29 PM Author: diverse spot becky I can think of a million reasons. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371555) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:34 PM Author: Low-t jet bawdyhouse dragon I imagine they have a shit case on the facts so their lawyers are relying on a stupid defense that cops don’t technically “know the law,” they just follow their training developed by others who are actual lawyers. They don’t need to know the law to still act within it so long as they follow their training. Also if they know the law that might hurt them on qualified immunity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371571) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:37 PM Author: diverse spot becky Cr. It's the prosecutors' job to know the law, and cops only need to know how to make the prosecutors happy. If the cops fuck up the prosecutor is supposed to drop the charges and yell at the cops (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371588) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 6:08 PM Author: Low-t jet bawdyhouse dragon I would have had the cops give a better canned response explaining this a bit rather than just looking like ignorant fools on the stand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46372490) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 8:35 PM Author: diverse spot becky These cops have all been on the stand 9,000 times doing the same shtick. I've never seen it backfire on them to look like total clods. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373086) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 10:36 PM Author: Low-t jet bawdyhouse dragon but this is a civil depo where they are accused not a criminal trial. I doubt they have much experience testifying for defending civil liability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373574) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 10:59 PM Author: bateful stage This type of testimony is comparable to what they’d be asked in a criminal suppression hearing imo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373650) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 2:13 AM Author: 180 bearded stead travel guidebook Eh, not really. No prosecutor would let a case with these facts even get to a suppression hearing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46374060) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:07 PM Author: diverse spot becky You try coaching a half dozen ape cops to testify differently this time. Defendants are lucky their witnesses are this consistent.
BTW you know the cops aren't this clueless and know damn well what a terry stop is. If it's true the plaintiff settled for $10k you know the complaint was dogshit and these depos weren't worth shit. $10k after you deposed 8 cops? |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:37 PM Author: Low-t jet bawdyhouse dragon I think you are forgetting the basic point that you get to bill many more hours for depo prep if you worked on canned responses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373794) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:39 PM Author: diverse spot becky Yeah no, I'm not forgetting that. If these cops were coached by anyone it was attorneys for the state who don't bill their time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373803) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:56 PM Author: Alcoholic vigorous pit corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371679) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:24 PM Author: Soul-stirring karate yarmulke what if someone asked you the difference between arrest and detain, what would you say?
call legal |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:28 PM Author: Erotic range detain = Not free to go, under investigation arrest = Investigation sufficiently complete that charges will be filed |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:34 PM Author: Soul-stirring karate yarmulke call legal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371574) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 7:37 PM Author: razzle spruce multi-billionaire rigor wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46372839) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 7:38 PM Author: vibrant learning disabled station lol please tell me no one pays you for this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46372847) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 9:06 PM Author: Ocher heaven brethren what's the correct answer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373186) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:19 PM Author: diverse spot becky Determine whether the stop was good before you go any further. If the stop was no good it doesn't matter whether the dood was arrested or merely questioned. For that matter where's a case where the cops got nailed where they had a basis for detaining the suspect but overstepped the Constitution by charging him? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373717) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 2:23 AM Author: 180 bearded stead travel guidebook In practice, there's no meaningful difference between being under arrest and being detained. Often, detentions are de facto arrests, i.e., you're in handcuffs sitting in the back of a police car while the cops get their story straight.
Formally, a detention occurs when someone's temporarily held against their will due to specific, articulable facts that the person is engaged in criminal activity, and the detention shouldn't last longer than necessary to resolve the officer's suspicions. Arrests are more extreme detentions, e.g., longer in time & more substantial in deprivation of liberty. Consequently, arrests require probable cause, i.e., a reasonable belief that the arrestee has committed a crime. |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 2:27 AM Author: diverse spot becky They can also have probable cause but elect to do custodial interrogation before arrest, to see if they can fish a confession out of the suspect before he has to be mirandized. You can assume that detention != no probable cause. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46374081) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 2:32 AM Author: 180 bearded stead travel guidebook Yup, and at that point, Miranda attaches. I've had a couple DUIs tossed because the defendant confessed while surrounded by cops questioning them in an argumentative fashion, even though the defendants weren't formally under arrest. In one case, five massive cops cornered a 90 lb girl in a parking garage and got her to confess to throwing a flip flop at her boyfriend, which resulted in them arresting her for domestic violence battery. That got dismissed after the suppression hearing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46374086) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 7:45 PM Author: demanding clown :( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46372886) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:39 PM Author: diverse spot becky I don't think there's a meaningful difference. Both are deprivations of liberty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371599) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 2:57 PM Author: french chad chapel one requires you be released or arrested after a brief inquiry
the other requires you be brought before a magistrate
huge difference factually and legally |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 3:02 PM Author: Soul-stirring karate yarmulke you need to just call legal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371727) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 3:07 PM Author: diverse spot becky (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371768) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 7:38 PM Author: razzle spruce multi-billionaire rigor wrong (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46372841) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 7:45 PM Author: Gay Contagious Site Roast Beef (guy who has never been pulled over for a traffic stop)
There is an enormous difference. If you get pulled over, you are (usually) not being arrested. But you are detained because you are not free to leave until the cop runs your license and registration and writes your ticket. |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 9:00 PM Author: diverse spot becky Cool. So I'm not entitled to any sort of due process while the cop is running my license? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373175) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 9:30 PM Author: Gay Contagious Site Roast Beef You seem dumb. Nobody said that you have no due process rights at all. But try driving away while the cop is running your license and see how that goes. "But but the Constitution, your honor. What do you mean some cop has the right to make me wait on the side of the road while he runs my license?" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373260) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 10:56 PM Author: bateful stage NSAM seems dumb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373646) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:11 PM Author: diverse spot becky "But try driving away while the cop is running your license and see how that goes."
This is your effort to rebut what I just said? lol@ your reading comp, Mr. "It's totally different from an arrest." |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 1:25 AM Author: Gay Contagious Site Roast Beef JFC at this point I'm not even sure what you are trying to argue. Are you claiming that when you get pulled over, you are actually being arrested? Maybe the moral of the story is that I shouldn't argue with actual idiots. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46374021) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 1:28 AM Author: bateful stage It’s NSAM. You’re arguing with a schizo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46374025) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 1:38 AM Author: diverse spot becky Yeah you figured it out. I was making it sound complicated, but the way you stated it is better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46374029) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 2:27 AM Author: 180 bearded stead travel guidebook There's a whole line of cases that specifically address this issue. Traffic stops can't last longer than reasonably necessary to accomplish the purpose of the stop. A cop can't just stop you for speeding and then hold you there for an hour because he smells weed & wants a K-9 to come out because you refuse to let him search your car. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46374080) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 2:32 AM Author: diverse spot becky It was a rhetorical question. This thread is full of bootlickers who want you to think an arrest is an entirely different thing and that it matters whether some random cop can draw some arbitrary distinction between an arrest and other forms to detention. If the cop had said "actually I think they're both kinda same thing insofar as they both constitute deprivations of liberty" you couldn't impeach him with that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46374085) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 2:33 AM Author: 180 bearded stead travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46374087) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 7:40 PM Author: vibrant learning disabled station In the United States, there is a difference between arrest and detainment. When someone is arrested, it means they are taken into custody by law enforcement officers due to their involvement in a suspected crime. An arrest usually involves a formal process, such as the reading of Miranda rights, being placed in handcuffs, and being taken to a police station.
On the other hand, detainment refers to a temporary holding of an individual by law enforcement, often for questioning or investigation. During a detainment, a person may be briefly held, but they are not necessarily under arrest. Detainments typically occur when there is a reasonable suspicion that a person may be involved in criminal activity, and law enforcement needs to gather more information.
The key distinction is that an arrest signifies a stronger level of involvement in a crime, while detainment is a temporary holding for further investigation. |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 8:25 PM Author: diverse spot becky Those distinctions seem irrelevant in this context. And as a threshold matter both are deprivations of liberty under the 5A. You're not without due process rights when you're being detained for questioning. The depo questions are about shit like asking for ID. You know cops are always asking people for ID even when people are under no obligation to have ID on them or produce it. lol@ trying to make a stink about cops arresting a guy they had cause to bring in for questioning too. If that's what this case turned on they shouldn't have even settled for $10k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373062) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 8:28 PM Author: Aggressive cerise parlor lol at this useless chatgpt horseshit and it’s only conclusion being some totally useless proxy for guilt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373070) |
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Date: May 31st, 2023 2:34 AM Author: 180 bearded stead travel guidebook (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46374088) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 3:30 PM Author: bespoke step-uncle's house stock car Case settled for 10k after numerous appeals (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371884) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 3:32 PM Author: diverse spot becky P didn't even get attorneys fees? These depositions alone cost more than that. I assume lawyers got $250k and P got less than TSINAH spends on his computer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46371894) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 7:38 PM Author: razzle spruce multi-billionaire rigor every time XO attempts to discuss criminal law it's painful, just painful (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46372844) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 7:40 PM Author: Insanely creepy dashing business firm turdskin watched ten seconds, they were advised by the union to say exactly that and it's certainly better than just admitting you didn't have a reason (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46372857) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 8:27 PM Author: Rambunctious Lake Property Pocket Flask Cool so you agree with me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373067) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 8:20 PM Author: concupiscible public bath amendment rights violations are the worst kind of rights violations (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373046) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 10:55 PM Author: bateful stage This is probably a 1983 lawsuit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373644) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 10:57 PM Author: underhanded police squad lawyers are 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373648) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:15 PM Author: diverse spot becky This lawyer sucks. He makes it obvious he's just reading off a list of questions and isn't even listening to the responses. The cop can barely finish saying "I don't know" before he jumps in with the next question. It sounds like one of those mock depos you watch for CLE. Doesn't sound like he's done any research on any of these cops either. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373691) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:20 PM Author: underhanded police squad women are 180 men are 180 lawyers are 180 |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:22 PM Author: bateful stage You’re an idiot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373726) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:22 PM Author: diverse spot becky You're a pumo who's in love with me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373727) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:23 PM Author: bateful stage (schizophrenic retard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373732) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:24 PM Author: diverse spot becky (guy who settled for $10k after deposing ten cops) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373735) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:26 PM Author: bateful stage (schizophrenic retard who thinks he’s a lawyer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373748) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:27 PM Author: diverse spot becky I've never claimed to be a lawyer, moron. Why are you people so unfailingly DUMB? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373750) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:28 PM Author: bateful stage I didn’t say you claimed to be. Why is your reading comp so bad? Schizo meds? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373753) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:29 PM Author: diverse spot becky Are you a lawyer? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373758) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:32 PM Author: bateful stage Stop poasting here. You’re an idiot who thinks he knows a lot. You’re just a mentally ill retard. Hth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373776) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:36 PM Author: diverse spot becky Find another web site, shitlib. It's not my job to ease your suffering. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373788) |
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Date: May 30th, 2023 11:27 PM Author: bateful stage NSAM wigging out ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5347990&forum_id=2#46373751) |