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Kirkland V5 SECURE; Milbank V10 SECURE; Gibson DUNN HERE (V11)

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Insecure Mediation
  06/26/25
how did S&C, DPW and STB all slip out of the top 5 over ...
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/26/25
The real question is how on earth is Cravath still number on...
yellow address toaster
  06/26/25
cq. and how did skadden go from long-time top 2-3 to barely ...
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/26/25
They must be bribing people or have some other scam. They&rs...
yellow address toaster
  06/26/25
the same way any giants slip. lack of innovation and failur...
marvelous space background story
  06/26/25
Because 20 years is a long fucking time?
light locale
  06/27/25
still. those firms were in the top 5 for 100 years
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/27/25
its still flame. no one thinks kirkland or latham is better ...
pungent swashbuckling library
  06/27/25
CR. This whole “Kirkland is an elite firm” thin...
Autistic Hominid Selfie
  06/27/25
You're stuck in 2005.
chest-beating multi-colored crackhouse rigpig
  06/27/25
so is xoxohth.com . it was better that way
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/27/25
not disagreeing there ....
chest-beating multi-colored crackhouse rigpig
  06/27/25
Yes they do. Things have changed a lot in the past 10-15 ye...
chest-beating multi-colored crackhouse rigpig
  06/27/25
wtf is a #73 Troutman Pepper Locke
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/26/25
Troutman Sanders/Pepper Hamilton/Locke Lord merger?
Vermilion comical menage
  06/26/25
rofl so three shitty regional midlaw firms merge and beocme ...
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/26/25
and wtf is a #86 Polsinelli is this spaceporn's firm?
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/26/25
wtf is #100 Husch Blackwell LLP
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/26/25
Very prestigious Kansas City, Missouri, firm with a storied ...
cocky transparent garrison preventive strike
  06/27/25
180. Good for Millbank buying their way into the V10 via ass...
Primrose nursing home
  06/26/25
Boies Schiller has really taken a tumble
pungent swashbuckling library
  06/26/25
At Boies Schiller Flexner, associates toss aside the life ve...
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/26/25
You know you’ve made it in the legal industry when you...
Insecure Mediation
  06/26/25
Get your passport ready—DLA Piper has more than 90 off...
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/26/25
Sidley — Come for the sophisticated work and stay for ...
Narrow-minded meetinghouse dog poop
  06/27/25
lol cr, very chill happy bros
Fragrant Sienna Lodge Dysfunction
  06/27/25
I’ve worked at three big law firms and Sidley was the ...
Godawful Aromatic Azn Crotch
  06/27/25
polite, amiable Midwesterners like Barry and Michael Obama
Insecure Mediation
  06/27/25
wheres Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard and Smith?
up-to-no-good institution hunting ground
  06/26/25
where is _._. ______ law? should be top 100 after the pen...
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/26/25
...
bateful buff quadroon stain
  06/26/25
messenger bag logo facing OUT
fear-inspiring smoky hell newt
  06/26/25
My former firm baker hostetler holding down the 64 spot
cerise stimulating personal credit line
  06/26/25
...
mind-boggling nudist keepsake machete school cafeteria
  06/27/25
Where does Hamlin Hamlin and McGill rank?
Chartreuse electric pistol
  06/27/25
What's board consensus on claiming vault prestige: (a) ranki...
Haunting black woman parlor
  06/27/25
(c), with the argument that it was your hard work that made ...
Embarrassed To The Bone Organic Girlfriend Roast Beef
  06/27/25
relatedly, same question about usnwr ug/ls rankings. (ask...
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/27/25
I think the bands are consistent enough to just use them: ...
Haunting black woman parlor
  06/27/25
How was penn?
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/27/25
(jerry sandusky tp)
pungent swashbuckling library
  06/27/25
I bet the “Carey” 2 and 3Ls would not be happy i...
Autistic Hominid Selfie
  06/27/25
...
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/27/25
I’m currently at a V10 and I’d say consensus her...
Histrionic bat-shit-crazy bbw area
  06/27/25
Clever Weil-bro post
Haunting black woman parlor
  06/27/25
...
dead lemon pocket flask church
  06/27/25
...
Hairraiser voyeur
  06/27/25
True although STB is SPS now
Embarrassed To The Bone Organic Girlfriend Roast Beef
  06/27/25
How is STB?
Autistic Hominid Selfie
  06/27/25
Does Kirkland still SHATTER the market??
Soul-stirring doctorate hissy fit
  06/27/25
YOURE A PARTNER
pungent swashbuckling library
  06/27/25
Man, it's still a great shtick for them. In-house business ...
fear-inspiring smoky hell newt
  06/27/25
...
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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:42 PM
Author: Insecure Mediation

https://vault.com/best-companies-to-work-for/law/top-100-law-firms-rankings

#1

Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP

#2

Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz

#3

Skadden

#4

Latham & Watkins

#5

Kirkland & Ellis

#6

Sullivan & Cromwell LLP

#7

Davis Polk & Wardwell LLP

#8

Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP

#9

Milbank LLP

#10

Simpson Thacher

#11

Gibson Dunn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052006)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:44 PM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur

how did S&C, DPW and STB all slip out of the top 5 over the past 20 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052012)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:42 PM
Author: yellow address toaster

The real question is how on earth is Cravath still number one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052822)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:45 PM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur

cq. and how did skadden go from long-time top 2-3 to barely in the top 5 (perhaps sometimes out?) to back to solid top 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052832)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:48 PM
Author: yellow address toaster

They must be bribing people or have some other scam. They’ve been losing partners/business for ages.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052838)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:50 PM
Author: marvelous space background story

the same way any giants slip. lack of innovation and failure to adjust to modernity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052842)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:41 AM
Author: light locale

Because 20 years is a long fucking time?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053272)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:52 AM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur

still. those firms were in the top 5 for 100 years

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053413)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:07 AM
Author: pungent swashbuckling library

its still flame. no one thinks kirkland or latham is better than s&c or dpw. skadden perhaps has a case.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053456)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:10 AM
Author: Autistic Hominid Selfie

CR. This whole “Kirkland is an elite firm” thing is rancid flame. Place is full of UIUC grads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053468)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:28 PM
Author: chest-beating multi-colored crackhouse rigpig

You're stuck in 2005.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054437)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:34 PM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur

so is xoxohth.com . it was better that way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054461)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:34 PM
Author: chest-beating multi-colored crackhouse rigpig

not disagreeing there ....

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054462)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:29 PM
Author: chest-beating multi-colored crackhouse rigpig

Yes they do. Things have changed a lot in the past 10-15 years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054440)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:46 PM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur

wtf is a #73 Troutman Pepper Locke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052014)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:28 PM
Author: Vermilion comical menage

Troutman Sanders/Pepper Hamilton/Locke Lord merger?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052790)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:39 PM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur

rofl so three shitty regional midlaw firms merge and beocme biglaw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052821)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:47 PM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur

and wtf is a #86 Polsinelli

is this spaceporn's firm?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052016)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur

wtf is #100 Husch Blackwell LLP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052023)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:53 AM
Author: cocky transparent garrison preventive strike

Very prestigious Kansas City, Missouri, firm with a storied history and full service range of practice areas.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053336)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:50 PM
Author: Primrose nursing home

180. Good for Millbank buying their way into the V10 via associate pay increases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052025)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:53 PM
Author: pungent swashbuckling library

Boies Schiller has really taken a tumble

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052039)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:54 PM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur

At Boies Schiller Flexner, associates toss aside the life vest and dive right in, and lawyers at this litigation powerhouse wouldn’t have it any other way. Litigators looking to roll up their sleeves and learn on the job will feel right at home here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052044)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:20 PM
Author: Insecure Mediation

You know you’ve made it in the legal industry when you’ve landed a spot at Latham & Watkins.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052774)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:38 PM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur

Get your passport ready—DLA Piper has more than 90 offices (including relationship firms) around the world and is home to more than 4,000 lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052820)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:13 AM
Author: Narrow-minded meetinghouse dog poop

Sidley — Come for the sophisticated work and stay for the polite, amiable Midwestern vibes as well as the sincere commitment to building a welcoming and inclusive workplace.

lol yeah lots of folksy people wandering the halls there. They just love small talk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053140)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:49 AM
Author: Fragrant Sienna Lodge Dysfunction

lol cr, very chill happy bros

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053406)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:10 PM
Author: Godawful Aromatic Azn Crotch

I’ve worked at three big law firms and Sidley was the most transactional by far. Nobody gave a fuck about anybody else other than their tiny in group and they just rented the Sidley brand name.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053841)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:08 PM
Author: Insecure Mediation

polite, amiable Midwesterners like Barry and Michael Obama

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054162)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:55 PM
Author: up-to-no-good institution hunting ground

wheres Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard and Smith?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052048)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 4:57 PM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur

where is _._. ______ law?

should be top 100 after the penis verdict

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052055)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:44 PM
Author: bateful buff quadroon stain



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052828)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:30 PM
Author: fear-inspiring smoky hell newt

messenger bag logo facing OUT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052792)



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Date: June 26th, 2025 10:54 PM
Author: cerise stimulating personal credit line

My former firm baker hostetler holding down the 64 spot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49052844)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:38 AM
Author: mind-boggling nudist keepsake machete school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053127)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 3:01 AM
Author: Chartreuse electric pistol

Where does Hamlin Hamlin and McGill rank?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053137)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 6:14 AM
Author: Haunting black woman parlor

What's board consensus on claiming vault prestige: (a) ranking from your time as an associate, (b) current rank, or (c) whichever is higher

I believe in (a)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053216)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 6:44 AM
Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Organic Girlfriend Roast Beef

(c), with the argument that it was your hard work that made it increase after you left

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053237)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:01 AM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur

relatedly, same question about usnwr ug/ls rankings.

(asking for a silent gen friend who went to umich when it was #1)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053245)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:05 AM
Author: Haunting black woman parlor

I think the bands are consistent enough to just use them:

HYS (Just use school name)

CCNP (just say top 5 and hope you don't have to explain)

BVMN (just say top 10)

TTT (anywhere lower, pretend you're a plumber)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053287)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur

How was penn?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053374)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:09 AM
Author: pungent swashbuckling library

(jerry sandusky tp)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053463)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:15 AM
Author: Autistic Hominid Selfie

I bet the “Carey” 2 and 3Ls would not be happy if they knew their CDO was spending time advertising on xo instead of making connections at regional DLA Piper offices.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053489)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 1:38 PM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054103)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 7:40 AM
Author: Histrionic bat-shit-crazy bbw area

I’m currently at a V10 and I’d say consensus here is (c) - also FWIW no one is under any illusion that Kirkland and Kirkland branded products (e.g., Skadden and Latham) are prestigious. No one at my T6 (historical) wanted to go there.

The legacy undisputed V5 is WLRK, CSM, S&C, DPW and STB.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053271)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:03 AM
Author: Haunting black woman parlor

Clever Weil-bro post

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053286)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 8:43 AM
Author: dead lemon pocket flask church



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053324)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:29 AM
Author: Hairraiser voyeur



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053373)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 9:43 AM
Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Organic Girlfriend Roast Beef

True although STB is SPS now



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053393)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:11 AM
Author: Autistic Hominid Selfie

How is STB?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053474)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:19 AM
Author: Soul-stirring doctorate hissy fit

Does Kirkland still SHATTER the market??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053501)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 10:20 AM
Author: pungent swashbuckling library

YOURE A PARTNER

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053507)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 2:20 PM
Author: fear-inspiring smoky hell newt

Man, it's still a great shtick for them. In-house business guys are impressed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49054201)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:01 PM
Author: dashing antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053812)



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Date: June 27th, 2025 12:02 PM
Author: pungent swashbuckling library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5743509&forum_id=2#49053817)