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is Greg 'The Professor' Maddux the most underrated pitcher of all time?

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mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  04/05/26
Underrated by whom? He’s revered
jet-lagged address
  04/05/26
how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?
mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  04/05/26
He's undoubtedly top 3
Irate exciting volcanic crater alpha
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan? Randy Johnson?
mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  04/05/26
Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind to...
jet-lagged address
  04/05/26
honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name ...
mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  04/05/26
Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order: Maddux Joh...
Irate exciting volcanic crater alpha
  04/05/26
cr but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or ...
mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  04/05/26
Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO
Irate exciting volcanic crater alpha
  04/05/26
all 3 above above ryan?
mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  04/05/26
pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete...
Startled business firm mental disorder
  04/05/26
Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we igno...
Maroon swashbuckling stage
  06/04/26
Hard to say but he’s up there for sure
jet-lagged address
  04/05/26
he's def most high iq though, no?
mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  04/05/26
Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal ...
jet-lagged address
  04/05/26
the latter obv i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the ...
mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  04/05/26
Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. N...
jet-lagged address
  04/05/26
cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bob...
mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  04/05/26
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Cerebral shrine
  06/04/26
he's appropriately rated
Self-centered ungodly corner
  04/05/26
lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher ...
Saffron Diverse Stag Film
  04/05/26
Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?
mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  04/05/26
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Drunken nighttime set
  04/06/26
Pedro was better (than anyone).
Sick goal in life resort
  04/05/26
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Self-centered ungodly corner
  04/05/26
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shivering center haunted graveyard
  04/07/26
He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys...
Excitant hunting ground
  04/05/26
Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your c...
Nofapping mint yarmulke
  06/04/26
Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generat...
Razzle Up-to-no-good Double Fault
  04/05/26
he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smart...
180 violet heaven
  04/06/26
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mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  04/06/26
He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorr...
Drunken nighttime set
  04/06/26
yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1...
180 violet heaven
  04/06/26
Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently h...
Drunken nighttime set
  04/07/26
Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs....
Nofapping mint yarmulke
  06/04/26
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mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  06/04/26
do not google. there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or gr...
Thriller reading party
  06/04/26
Randy Johnson Clemmons Pedro Ryan Glavine Bab...
mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  06/04/26
this career WAR. you got these right. 1. Cy Young+ (22)...
Thriller reading party
  06/04/26
No Goog
vibrant associate theater stage
  06/04/26
Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR....
Maroon swashbuckling stage
  06/04/26
cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.
Thriller reading party
  06/04/26
Walter Johnson Christy Mathewson Steve Carlton
hideous locale coldplay fan
  06/04/26
Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws 1. Cy You...
Thriller reading party
  06/04/26
Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would...
hideous locale coldplay fan
  06/04/26
old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, ...
Thriller reading party
  06/04/26
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mauve fragrant feces boiling water
  06/04/26


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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:38 PM
Author: jet-lagged address

Underrated by whom? He’s revered

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796396)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water

how does he rank all time, is he a top 3?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796397)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:40 PM
Author: Irate exciting volcanic crater alpha

He's undoubtedly top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796399)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water

Nolan Ryan?

Randy Johnson?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796405)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: jet-lagged address

Nolan Ryan has to be up there. Randy Johnson came to mind too but idk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796411)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water

honestly probably the hardest position in any sport to name a top 3-5

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796419)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:50 PM
Author: Irate exciting volcanic crater alpha

Top 3 of the modern era in no particular order:

Maddux

Johnson

Martinez

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796426)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:53 PM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water

cr

but does Clemons, Verlander or Kershaw have a shot or are they well outside top 3

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796432)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: Irate exciting volcanic crater alpha

Well outside, but definitely in top 10, even above nolan IMO

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796436)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:55 PM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water

all 3 above above ryan?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796437)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:59 PM
Author: Startled business firm mental disorder

pedro's peak is hard to beat but clemens had a more complete career. however you rank they are both tier 1.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796451)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:28 AM
Author: Maroon swashbuckling stage

Clemens had the best career of anyone in that era if we ignore PEDs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914410)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:41 PM
Author: jet-lagged address

Hard to say but he’s up there for sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796401)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:42 PM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water

he's def most high iq though, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796407)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:44 PM
Author: jet-lagged address

Not sure, don’t really follow players’ personal lives, or do you mean high IQ with respect to how he played?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796409)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:45 PM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water

the latter obv

i dont give a fuck if he's foaming at the mouth level dumb irl in his off time as long as hes throwing fucking gems over the mound

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796413)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:46 PM
Author: jet-lagged address

Surely the catcher and pitching coach get some credit too. No man is an island

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796417)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:47 PM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water

cr but he made all the calls for the catcher(s) and told bobby and mazzone to get fucked a bunch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796421)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 1:01 AM
Author: Cerebral shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914293)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:57 PM
Author: Self-centered ungodly corner

he's appropriately rated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796444)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: Saffron Diverse Stag Film

lol no; Roger Clemens is easily the most underrated pitcher of all time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796446)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 8:58 PM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water

Seaver, Carlton, Scherzer, no?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796448)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:04 PM
Author: Drunken nighttime set



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49797805)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:27 PM
Author: Sick goal in life resort

Pedro was better (than anyone).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796514)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:47 PM
Author: Self-centered ungodly corner



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796561)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:54 AM
Author: shivering center haunted graveyard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49799608)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: Excitant hunting ground

He would get wrecked by the "juiced" ball and guys like Trout and Ohtani

If you swapped some random cy young candidate like Bryan Woo for Maddux, he would crush it in the 90s also

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796569)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:42 AM
Author: Nofapping mint yarmulke

Don't drop those BW3s Flamin' Dorito(TM) Hot wings on your crisp new steph curry jersey, cuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914343)



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Date: April 5th, 2026 9:55 PM
Author: Razzle Up-to-no-good Double Fault

Pretty sure most agree he was the greatest SP of his generation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49796577)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:49 AM
Author: 180 violet heaven

he's appropriately rated. great competitor. mentally smarter than other players. perennial gold glove fielder. platonic ideal of "the professor" type who doesn't throw super hard but just outthinks the batter. also insanely low walk rate - nobody - absolutely nobody - had better control

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49797104)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 1:07 PM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49797818)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 2:11 PM
Author: Drunken nighttime set

He threw a 92 mph fastball and everyone remembers him incorrectly for not having any velocity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49797984)



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Date: April 6th, 2026 8:36 PM
Author: 180 violet heaven

yeah, is that fast to you? the only starting pitcher post 1960 in the hall of fame that threw softer is tom glavine. only reliever is trevor hoffman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49798932)



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Date: April 7th, 2026 7:52 AM
Author: Drunken nighttime set

Yes, 92 mph is fast. Most xo Poasters couldn't competently hit a 92 mph fastball with a year of dedicated training.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49799605)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 6:44 AM
Author: Nofapping mint yarmulke

Oh yeah that is the relevant metric when discussing GOAT vs. mere HOF mlb pitching, thanks chung li.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914344)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914271)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:31 AM
Author: Thriller reading party

do not google.

there at 10 pitchers with WAR of 100 or greater. name them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914284)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:36 AM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water

Randy Johnson

Clemmons

Pedro

Ryan

Glavine

Babe Ruth

Scherzer

Seaver

cy Young

Maddux



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914286)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:43 AM
Author: Thriller reading party

this career WAR. you got these right.

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914287)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 12:57 AM
Author: vibrant associate theater stage
Subject: No Goog

Clayton Kershaw

Curt Schilling

Mariano Rivera

Bob Gibson

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914292)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: Maroon swashbuckling stage

Rivera would have had to pitch for ~40 years to get 100 WAR. Relievers just don't get enough innings.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914413)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:34 AM
Author: Thriller reading party

cr. he's in 80th place for career WAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914415)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:10 AM
Author: hideous locale coldplay fan

Walter Johnson

Christy Mathewson

Steve Carlton

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914393)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 8:33 AM
Author: Thriller reading party

Rank Player (yrs, age) WAR for Pitchers IP Throws

1. Cy Young+ (22) 165.9 7356.0 R

2. Walter Johnson+ (21) 155.4 5914.1 R

3. Roger Clemens (24) 138.7 4916.2 R

4. Kid Nichols+ (15) 119.0 5067.1 R

5. Grover Alexander+ (20) 116.9 5190.0 R

6. Lefty Grove+ (17) 113.2 3940.2 L

7. Tom Seaver+ (20) 106.0 4783.0 R

8. Greg Maddux+ (23) 104.8 5008.1 R

9. Randy Johnson+ (22) 103.5 4135.1 L

10. Christy Mathewson+ (17) 100.6 4788.2 R

11. Phil Niekro+ (24) 97.0 5404.0 R

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49914414)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 3:12 PM
Author: hideous locale coldplay fan

Tom Seaver and Phil Niekro have more war than Carlton? Would not have guessed that

Never heard of kid nichols

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49915360)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 5:26 PM
Author: Thriller reading party

old timer with most of his appearances in the 1800s. still, "Nichols recorded a 27–19 win–loss record, a 2.23 earned run average (ERA) and 222 strikeouts, beginning a string of 10 consecutive seasons with 20 wins or more. Nichols also had a major league record seven 30-win seasons in this time (1891–1894, 1896–1898) with a career high of 35 in 1892." that'll give you quite a career WAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49915788)



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Date: June 4th, 2026 4:10 PM
Author: mauve fragrant feces boiling water



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5853955&forum_id=2#49915541)