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Date: April 22nd, 2025 4:39 PM Author: '"''"''''""" fire away (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48871755) |
Date: April 22nd, 2025 11:15 PM Author: '"''"''''""" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48872707) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2025 11:22 PM Author: scholarship What’s your favorite plugin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48872718) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2025 11:36 PM Author: '"''"''''""" Right now it's the IK Multimedia One. I am not a mixing and mastering MFE. I usually pay someone else to do that. But I try and mix a little as I go so I can hear what the hell I'm doing. In today's home producer economy it's essential to mix as you go, so layering in sounds should always slip right into something that's on its way to becoming its final version. The One makes everything extremely loud and it only has a couple of buttons. It's good for demos. Better to be overly loud and work on the shittiest of phone speakers than be too quiet for anyone to understand what you're trying to accomplish.
I am such a control freak that even though I don't really know how to mix I send mixing engineers a sample mix to go off of. My #1 complaint is when other people have their own ideas. I am expressly against anyone else having any sort of personal opinion or creative control of any kind so when I collaborate I refer session players and engineers to my examples so they don't start thinking for themselves. The biggest thing that will ruin a project is a lack of vision. In essence, having taste and a concrete vision of any kind is the most essential production skill. I may not exactly know how to cut together 4 different guitar tones with unique individual EQs into a single composite but I can at least point to a track that already exists and tell a producer or an engineer, hey, this is the sound I'm going for. Essential skill. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2025 11:45 PM Author: scholarship Nice I’ll check that out. I’ve been using the mastering assistant in logic pro that came out like a year ago.
Yeah I’m controlling too. Control over the vision is what makes being in a band hard. Lots of artists painting on the same canvas. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2025 11:49 PM Author: '"''"''''""" Bands stopped existing a long time ago and it begs the question were there ever really bands? Kurt Cobain just showed up and presented the songs to the other guys. One was his best friend who had minimal talent and was along for the ride, and the other guy was a drummer who was hired cash money from the record label after the group was already famous. Plus he was generationally talented and impressionable and easygoing. So yeah there were hardly ever any bands even back in the day. If you find 4 other guys who just happen to have the same vision as you, you're from another planet and not dealing in reality. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48872764) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 12:16 AM Author: scholarship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48872813) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 4:35 PM Author: ceci n'est pas un avocat ABB. maybe zeppelin but otherwise cr
do you think anyone gave a frick what the other 3 kinks thought? or Santana's bass player? lmao. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 6:12 PM Author: '"''"''''""" I'm sure Santana's bass player was technically excellent. But he didn't write the songs. Your job as a role player is to service the song. Everyone in the room accepts Santana is great and he's there to do His Thing. You're there to do what he tells you and everyone gets a check and goes home happy. Bands take a disastrous turn when the role players start imagining that they're a big reason for the band's success. This happens all the time and can ruin a great thing.
I think with the advent of Spotify and Napster destroying record sales it got harder and harder to pay the session guys. Now factor in for touring you have to pay hotels (like basic hotel anywhere now is 300 a night) and food plus a salary. It's so expensive to pay bands anything. The sidemen used to have a nice life.
Imagine offering someone 50,000 a year to play 200 shows, hang out in decent hotels, drink and do drugs, and bang groupies. Now where is that money coming from? There's 0 dollars in record sales and streaming. There's a small amount of money in merch. Most comes from touring. Now you're, you know, you're offering that same guy 20k a year and you're living in a van/shit motels, and you're not that famous because you've been overtaken by rap and pop music in popularity and there aren't any good looking chicks around. And all the money is made on the margins.
This is why rock is dead. If you're not as big as the Chili Peppers you can't pay 4 guys who are really good at what they do. |
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Date: April 22nd, 2025 11:39 PM Author: donald j. fag If I learn guitar will I get more pussy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48872746) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2025 11:43 PM Author: '"''"''''""" Almost certainly not. According to Wikipedia rock music died in 2010. People don't listen to new rock music anymore. You might have luck in a subgenre like active rock, metal, or country. You would have to become really famous and it's better if you're a singer with a pretty face. Someone like Morgan Wallen "plays guitar" but he's more of a singer and a heartthrob. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48872752) |
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Date: April 22nd, 2025 11:53 PM Author: michael doodikoff 1. Thoughts on Superior Drummer 3? 2. I'm toying with the idea of getting this 90s multi effects processor for $200 that was a monster in its day https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/digitech-2120 - I own another old multieffects processor from the 90s and they are so fun |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 12:02 AM Author: '"''"''''""" I prefer AddictiveDrums. Easier to use, more variation. Ironically both companies are Swedish for some unknown reason.
From what I can recall 90s effects processors were not good. I already have a computer I don't know why I'd get a decades old computer.
I'll tell you which way the industry is going though. Everyone is gonna go to plugins. Every pedal and effect company is going to make a plugin version of their effects. Everything is going digital. Every pedal that exists will become a plugin if it hasn't already. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 12:05 AM Author: michael doodikoff They aren't good but that's part of the charm.
Also the old delays and chorus and shit sounded a bit different and 90s ish
Like it's really hard to get these same shitty sounds on my Helix |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 12:08 AM Author: '"''"''''""" I just listened to a demo. My first thought was woah, that sounds incredibly close to Joe Satriani. Then I fast forward a bunch to the other sounds. They all sound like Joe Satriani. I give this unit the Joe Satriani tone of approval but fairly limited use case. Fact I can really only think of one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48872795) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 11:14 AM Author: michael doodikoff TBF these units strong suits are Joe Satriani style tones.
Like, my Helix can't make some of these sounds, mostly because the sounds are dated and shitty in a good way |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 12:19 AM Author: mountain cat What’s your fav bass guitar? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48872817) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 12:21 AM Author: '"''"''''""" P bass for tone. Equally as good is the J bass. I also like Stingrays for extra punch. They're pretty much all good. There's not a big difference between models. I probably like the thinner neck of the J bass with the tone of the P bass. For certain styles you need a Stingray though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48872822) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 1:03 AM Author: mountain cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48872860) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 12:57 AM Author: bloomington (🦬) Thoughts on Jazzmasters? I don't play but if I did I think I'd cop a Jazzmaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48872855) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 1:17 AM Author: '"''"''''""" Nothin against it. It's a damn fine guitar. Damn fine. The tone is bright and sparkly. Use case is going to be clean tones, indie rock, surf rock, and vintage applications. Not that you can't turn the gain up to 11 and rock out. You can. You can pretty much do anything on any guitar. It's got a cool vibrato bar that adds character. I probably wouldn't get one for metal. If I had one I would get one with the rhythm circuit just for the novelty aspect, and then I would tell people who had Jazzmasters that don't have a rhythm circuit that they aren't real Jazzmaster players for maximum snobbery. If I'm gonna get a funky guitar I want all the quirks and novelties. Get one with binding and a headstock that matches the body. Go all in and tell everyone you're in a surf band called The Magnetoes. I don't know. Do whatever you want this is guitar advice not life advice. Poor one out for grandma. Or don't. Tell em I sent you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48872863) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 10:23 AM Author: bloomington (🦬) Ty
If I did cop one I'd prolly get a Squier J Mascis one. I really like shoegaze. No idea what amp or pedals to get. At a minimum I'd probably get a Fender Shields Blender cuz Kevin Shields is my favorite guitarist |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 11:24 AM Author: michael doodikoff for shoegaze you will want a guitar with humbuckers.
A lot of those shoegaze guys used a Roland JC 120 and a fuck ton of effect pedals (example - this is Neil Halstead of Slowdive's current pedalboard that he largely uses with a JC 120 - https://spaceecho.chromewaves.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/slowdive-pedalboard-1-1024x1024.jpeg )
A JC 120 is huge and more amp than you need.
I have been very very happy with my Line 6 Helix modeler - it has endless effects and even models obscure pedals and amps and shit. People really like the Axe FX, Quad Cortex, etc even the Headrush. You could even get a Line 6 Stomp XL that is far smaller than a regular Helix but has all of the same effects and amps etc. Not much you can't do with one of these.
Then get a PA speaker to play it through. I got a specialized Fender modeling amp made specifically to play modelers through and it rocks (and looks like a fender amp) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 9:12 PM Author: bloomington (🦬) Ty
Kind of doubt I'll ever do it though. Lots of other stuff I'd probably spend money on first. Most top of mind rn is maybe doing a camera upgrade |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 1:57 AM Author: .,,.,.,,.,..,.,.,.. t/f - rock as a genre died in april 1994 in a greenhouse; the following 15 years were the convulsions of its corpse and it was fully buried by 2010 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48872878) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 12:31 PM Author: '"''"''''""" Disagree. There was a major renaissance between 1997 and 2005. Some of the greatest rock albums ever made came out during this time. But they are not widely recognized as great. I think for rock to remain strong you need a large fanbase of well off middle class white youths. As Millennials aged out of their peak creative years and were replaced by Zoomers, the appetite for complex, depressing music faded. If you are in any way drawn to music that's focused on negative emotions such as anger, rage, sadness, hopelessness etc then I think the peak period was probably around 2002. I predict that in a hundred years some future society will rediscover this era. To wit the main reason classic rock has hung on for so long as the most popular rock genre is that it's peppy and eternally upbeat. In a sense, it's just glorified pop music. Alternative on the other hand is rock in its true form, expressing emotions that cannot be adequately expressed by other genres. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48873843) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 9:08 AM Author: michael doodikoff Thoughts on the EVH Frankenstein series guitars?
I got one and it's the most fun guitar I ve ever held. Makes you want to just rip. A bunch of guitar player bros of mine said the same thing when they played it. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 9:30 AM Author: mountain cat Just imagine a room full of handsome tall men taking turns chugging ranch and ripping 80s hard rock riffs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48873366) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 11:14 AM Author: michael doodikoff that's about how it went down (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48873576) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 12:40 PM Author: scholarship (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48873872) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 2:57 PM Author: mountain cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48874545) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 4:36 PM Author: ceci n'est pas un avocat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48874866) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 12:34 PM Author: '"''"''''""" Superstrats in general are cool. I don't know if I'd play one that looked exactly like Eddie's guitar. I'd probably get a Charvel. I wouldn't want to identify too heavily with someone else's guitar. I think it's lame to copy other people too much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48873849) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 10:45 AM Author: Brussels Sprout: Brussels,Helsinki,Stockholm,Kyiv do u live gig and what do u play? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48873513) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 12:35 PM Author: '"''"''''""" No I'm a studio rat. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48873852) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 12:41 PM Author: scholarship Do you mic a live amp for guitar or use virtual stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48873880) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 12:47 PM Author: '"''"''''""" Both. The trick now is to get composite tones. Virtually all hard rock tones consist of multiple layers of tones.
I have gotten great tones from micing an amp and I have gotten great tones from an amp simulator. I will say that with the simulator it's a lot faster to dial in something that works. With an amp you have to play around with it a lot. Amps are a lot like sorcery. It's more like casting a spell. You try stuff and just hope it works.
The one thing I can do better with sims is make guitars that sound really punchy in the mix. Real amps don't naturally sound punchy. They're ultra compressed and just sound very uniform, like someone with a monotonous voice. With amp sims you turn a few virtual knobs and you can get a really exciting punchy sound that cuts through your mix. So hopefully some day I figure out how to do this with a live amp. I have tried lots of production tricks to achieve this but I haven't cracked the code yet. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 1:26 PM Author: scholarship What kind of sims do you use? I mostly use the helix native plugin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48874058) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 1:38 PM Author: '"''"''''""" I use Guitar Rig. It's got a lot of variety. I'm sure they're all good at this point. Everything is high quality these days. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48874111) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 1:59 PM Author: michael doodikoff guitar rig is a lot of fun. I have it too via Komplete (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48874236) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 2:09 PM Author: scholarship Have you upgraded to komplete 15? I might do that on the next sale. Comes with guitar rig 7 pro. I’ve still got 6 pro from k14 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48874294) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 2:15 PM Author: michael doodikoff no I just didn't need anything it offered. Maybe I will one day. I have too much shit to ever fully dive into any of it (Komplete, Arturia V Collection, a bunch of Teletone Audio plugins, plus two IRL synths, etc)
I think that I did upgrade Kontakt though, like $50 or something on some deal. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 2:41 PM Author: '"''"''''""" I actually deeply fear upgrading anything. When studio time matters stability is the most important thing. Upgrading shit normally comes with a big crash that can ruin your entire week. Everything is unstable and sucks. It can take an entire day just to get all of my plugins to work which randomly stop working all the time. So upgrading software is like pulling the pin in a grenade. Don't install anything new but once a year when you can afford to troubleshoot. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48874489) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 6:28 PM Author: scholarship I’ve still got like half of 14 I haven’t explored yet. But it’s great stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48875216) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 3:20 PM Author: ceci n'est pas un avocat thoughts on the EHX double muff? (they are 180) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48874627) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 3:27 PM Author: '"''"''''""" Never tried it. In my opinion if you're running into a high gain amplifier, most fuzz pedal sound exactly the same. I don't fret much about the type of fuzz pedal. They all do the job.
I think a lot of the classic tones people chase were just people using whatever they had around at the time and it wasn't super cerebral. Musicians write songs and make it records and decades later some people on the internet obsess over it. But they were just doing whatever sounded cool on that day. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 4:33 PM Author: ceci n'est pas un avocat crrrr same is true for top attorneys fwiw learned hand was just using what he had in front of him |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 4:37 PM Author: ceci n'est pas un avocat double muff is like $45 btw (or was in 2004 or w/e). I've never needed another pedal although I've certainly bought a few since then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48874873) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 5:24 PM Author: '"''"''''""" If I'm not mistaken Mike Matthews was famous for building pedals as cheaply and shittily as humanly possible (peak Boomer living a life of luxury). He took advantage of the collapse of the Soviet Union and had all his shit built there for a while before all those units fell apart. That's why they're all $45 because it could break at any time and it was made by Ivans who had no concept of Capitalism and had the work ethic of a guy who was getting paid in beets no matter what. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48875078) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 5:27 PM Author: ceci n'est pas un avocat cr and that really comes through in the tone it's 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48875084) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 5:33 PM Author: '"''"''''""" I think Matthews philosophy was always make whacky sounds the Japanese wouldn't think of and that will keep them coming back. The Japs are so technical and prudent they never came up with anything off the wall. That's why EHX has done so well. A willingness to be kooky instead of plain. Boss probably sold an order of magnitude more pedals but EHX had far less overhead and was just owned by one guy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48875100) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 6:06 PM Author: michael doodikoff i'm tempted to get one of those RAT or KLON chinese copycats for like $30 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48875167) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 6:13 PM Author: '"''"''''""" I will sell you a Tone City Bad Horse fwiw (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48875183) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 6:36 PM Author: Brother Peter Dimond rats are 180. i have the wampler one(ratsbane) on my pedal board right now, along with his nobels style od.
otoh ive never been able to get along with the klon clones i’ve tried. or any tubescreamer type pedal either |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 6:59 PM Author: '"''"''''""" I recommend the MXR sugar drive. My favorite Klone and I've had a lot of them. I collected all the boutique ones at one point. The Wampler Tumnus has too much low end imo. The Soul Food sounds way too compressed. I had a really expensive one once that I bought for cheap and was hand wired to the original specs but it went up in price so much I sold it for 400 dollars lmao. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48875274) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 7:01 PM Author: scholarship A $30 king of tone clone would be awesome. Hard to find them that cheap though https://reverb.com/item/43137134-68-pedals-king-of-clone-dual-overdrive-pedal (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5714761&forum_id=2#48875278) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 5:37 PM Author: '"''"''''""" Update: I just switched out a cabinet of Celestion greenbacks for Vintage 30s. Immediately regretted it. I don't like the tone at all. It's somehow overly piercing and astringent.
It could be because I'm using a mid gain amplifier and not something for heavy tones. V30 probably works better with a Dual Rectifier or a 5150 or something. But I'm using a vintage Marshall and it sounds like ass. |
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 6:26 PM Author: Brother Peter Dimond if they’re new maybe they just need to be broken in. that said v30 aren’t my favorite for mid gain tones either. i actually liked how they sounded on cleaner tones iirc
do u have any experience with neodymium speakers? i’m thinking about trying neo creambacks in a vertical 2x12(maybe the orange one but probably a zilla or something)
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Date: April 23rd, 2025 6:57 PM Author: '"''"''''""" They very well made need to be broken in. Somehow they sound worse on clean tones than with distortion. I was playing my greenbacks last night and it sounded so sweet both clean and with gain it blew my mind. I might just be a greenback purist. V30s I think of as needing a metal-style amp.
Neo-Creambacks imo they don't have a lot of bottom end. They sound exactly like V30s but with no bottom end. People think they sound 'fizzy' and have too much treble but I'm pretty sure they sound identical to V30s in the midrange and up. They just have the reputation because they don't make any bass frequencies.
If anything you can't truly learn anything from online demos until you have them in your studio you don't really know how they sound. I am pretty sure I am well on my way to becoming a greenback 4x12 purist. I'm ordering a Marshall cab soon. |