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any books you read or wish you had read in high school? look...
puce alcoholic kitchen trust fund
  12/18/25
I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderso...
Federal Location
  12/18/25
https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712? Reasonable price, ...
shaky range hairy legs
  12/18/25
...
French mind-boggling legal warrant pisswyrm
  12/18/25
"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys...
Gay multi-colored blood rage
  12/19/25
this is now forever in my search history I want you dead,...
Gay multi-colored blood rage
  12/19/25
mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel
doobsian menage
  12/18/25
A few offhand: -On the Shortness of Life - Seneca -Sta...
Vivacious Pearl Step-uncle's House Round Eye
  12/18/25
https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&a...
Gay multi-colored blood rage
  12/19/25
or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of...
Bipolar personal credit line stage
  12/19/25
The Illustrated Man Odyssey The International Jew 1984 M...
Indecent national lettuce
  12/18/25
Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters
Saffron Base
  12/18/25
i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer readin...
puce alcoholic kitchen trust fund
  12/18/25
Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Ce...
Saffron Base
  12/18/25
they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your...
puce alcoholic kitchen trust fund
  12/18/25
180
Saffron Base
  12/18/25
The eyes and the impossible sourdough heart of samurai...
rusted place of business alpha
  12/18/25
rocket boys is 180
Bistre pit
  12/18/25
Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo
rusted place of business alpha
  12/18/25
...
Bistre pit
  12/19/25
weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party...
Bipolar personal credit line stage
  12/22/25
CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" thos...
marvelous mauve rehab
  12/18/25
he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that&rsq...
puce alcoholic kitchen trust fund
  12/18/25
The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)
Passionate citrine cruise ship stain
  12/18/25
ty for the recs, this is helpful i just asked him what bo...
puce alcoholic kitchen trust fund
  12/18/25
Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has rea...
self-centered appetizing meetinghouse dopamine
  12/18/25
seconding count of monte cristo three musketeers is also ...
flickering box office
  12/18/25
JackTales 🤡😳
Slate Aggressive School Haunted Graveyard
  12/18/25
those are for reading out loud , clown
rusted place of business alpha
  12/18/25
The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton https://www.amazon...
translucent mexican pistol
  12/18/25
Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz) We Were Soldiers Once… And...
pea-brained party of the first part station
  12/18/25
are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by ...
Spectacular preventive strike space
  12/18/25
I’m not even sure which author you’re talking ab...
pea-brained party of the first part station
  12/18/25
lol
Spectacular preventive strike space
  12/18/25
he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers &qu...
shivering know-it-all voyeur
  12/21/25
Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000
Bistre pit
  12/18/25
No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a bet...
pea-brained party of the first part station
  12/18/25
James Bond novels Conan (only read the flemming and howard...
vengeful zippy doctorate
  12/18/25
The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.
Vivacious Pearl Step-uncle's House Round Eye
  12/18/25
Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 ...
vengeful zippy doctorate
  12/18/25
Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new boo...
Vivacious Pearl Step-uncle's House Round Eye
  12/18/25
1. Goldfinger 2. Moonraker 3. Casino Royale 4. From Russ...
vengeful zippy doctorate
  12/19/25
tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I th...
Vivacious Pearl Step-uncle's House Round Eye
  12/21/25
cr
Bistre pit
  12/18/25
Anabasis
swashbuckling mental disorder
  12/18/25
...
Spectacular preventive strike space
  12/18/25
Flowers for Algernon
Disturbing maniacal parlour potus
  12/18/25
The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant Man's Sear...
Spectacular preventive strike space
  12/18/25
a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it...
disgusting laser beams
  12/18/25
Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in ...
exciting library
  12/18/25
Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?) Zen and the Art of Motorc...
irradiated property idiot
  12/18/25
> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance lol
Spectacular preventive strike space
  12/18/25
read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class i...
puce alcoholic kitchen trust fund
  12/18/25
zorba the greek
Bistre pit
  12/18/25
...
pea-brained party of the first part station
  12/18/25
Several good recs already upthread. Some others: The Thin...
marvelous mauve rehab
  12/18/25
Cr. list I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit ov...
pea-brained party of the first part station
  12/18/25
The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorit...
Vermilion dilemma regret
  12/18/25
...
marvelous mauve rehab
  12/18/25
agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise cau...
shivering know-it-all voyeur
  12/22/25
Watership Down A Day No Pigs Would Die 2nd Where the R...
Bronze hot house
  12/18/25
...
Yellow Candlestick Maker
  12/18/25
Starship Troopers Enders Game Johnny Tremain Childhoods E...
mustard hairraiser marketing idea brethren
  12/18/25
A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES
Gay multi-colored blood rage
  12/19/25
Neon Bible better rec for younger kid
swashbuckling mental disorder
  12/19/25
abridged edgar allen poe short stories
arousing set mood
  12/19/25
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fluffy site chad
  12/26/25


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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:03 PM
Author: puce alcoholic kitchen trust fund

any books you read or wish you had read in high school? looking for something that would be motivating / tools for life genre

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519424)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:15 PM
Author: Federal Location

I would have enjoyed sword and sorcery fantasy. Poul Anderson (Broken Sword, Three Hearts and Three Lions) Fritz Lieber (Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser) etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519444)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:19 PM
Author: shaky range hairy legs

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276841789712?

Reasonable price, free shipping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519452)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: French mind-boggling legal warrant pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519458)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:35 AM
Author: Gay multi-colored blood rage

"There's a trip to the farmers market and time for toys and crayons, a bubble bath, and lots of love."

-- School Library Journal

"Will undoubtedly be scooped up by families seeking queer representation in board books."

-- Kirkus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521596)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:42 AM
Author: Gay multi-colored blood rage

this is now forever in my search history

I want you dead, Malk Poo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521719)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:21 PM
Author: doobsian menage

mein kampf for late night reads that give you a good feel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519459)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:22 PM
Author: Vivacious Pearl Step-uncle's House Round Eye

A few offhand:

-On the Shortness of Life - Seneca

-Starship Troopers (the book is much better and more serious than the movie)

-Bonfire of the Vanities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519460)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:10 AM
Author: Gay multi-colored blood rage

https://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3922329&mc=32&forum_id=2#35633765

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521571)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 9:32 AM
Author: Bipolar personal credit line stage

or have the kid wake up xmas morning to an ACTUAL bonfire of his vanities

toughens him up a bit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522050)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:23 PM
Author: Indecent national lettuce

The Illustrated Man

Odyssey

The International Jew

1984

Meditations

The Myth of Sisyphus

Hamlet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519465)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:27 PM
Author: Saffron Base

Hatchet, My Side of the Mountain for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519476)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: puce alcoholic kitchen trust fund

i think my side of the mountain was one of his summer reading assignments



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519493)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:34 PM
Author: Saffron Base

Where the Red Fern Grows, All Quiet on the Western Front, Celestine Prophecy, Lord of the Flies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519513)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:37 PM
Author: puce alcoholic kitchen trust fund

they did lord of the flies already. ill look up some of your other recs, ty!

he just finished peak, so hatchet is a good one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519523)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:45 PM
Author: Saffron Base

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519559)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:01 PM
Author: rusted place of business alpha

The eyes and the impossible

sourdough

heart of samurai

artemis

rocket boys

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519953)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: Bistre pit

rocket boys is 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520282)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:18 PM
Author: rusted place of business alpha

Every kid should read. It’s top of that list imo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521280)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:34 AM
Author: Bistre pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521595)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 10:54 AM
Author: Bipolar personal credit line stage

weird group called the "rocket boys" ran the party scene at my rural West Virginia high school

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530601)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:54 PM
Author: marvelous mauve rehab

CR GOAT status books, but would one be "past" those by HS, especially later in HS?

My 7 year old just read--and really enjoyed--Hatchet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519755)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:00 PM
Author: puce alcoholic kitchen trust fund

he’s 12/7th grade so i said high school since that’s more his reading level

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519767)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:28 PM
Author: Passionate citrine cruise ship stain

The Swimming-Pool Library (fulano)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519483)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: puce alcoholic kitchen trust fund

ty for the recs, this is helpful

i just asked him what book he’s reading (we’re on a flight) and its war and peace

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519489)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:24 PM
Author: self-centered appetizing meetinghouse dopamine

Waste of time unless he's secretly 30+ years old and has read tons of other Russian lit and has a solid grounding in religion and philosophy.

Count of Monte Cristo is a goat novel that is also accessible and really exciting.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519679)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:29 PM
Author: flickering box office

seconding count of monte cristo

three musketeers is also great and vastly superior to any adaptation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519686)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:29 PM
Author: Slate Aggressive School Haunted Graveyard

JackTales 🤡😳

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519490)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 4:02 PM
Author: rusted place of business alpha

those are for reading out loud , clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519956)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:30 PM
Author: translucent mexican pistol

The Boy with Pink Hair by Perez Hilton

https://www.amazon.com/Boy-Pink-Hair-Perez-Hilton/dp/0451234200

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519492)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:32 PM
Author: pea-brained party of the first part station

Quo Vadis (Sienkiewicz)

We Were Soldiers Once… And Young (Moore & Galloway)

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage (Lansing)

The Way of Men (Donovan)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519502)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:35 PM
Author: Spectacular preventive strike space

are you seriously recommending a book on manhood written by a homo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519701)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:45 PM
Author: pea-brained party of the first part station

I’m not even sure which author you’re talking about, though I’m 99.99% sure that it’s not Moore or Galloway

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519724)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:41 PM
Author: Spectacular preventive strike space

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519873)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:48 PM
Author: shivering know-it-all voyeur

he doesn't like the term gay or homo and instead prefers "androphile," a term he uses to describe romance and sex between masculine men

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Donovan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528627)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:46 PM
Author: Bistre pit

Endurance: Shackleton’s Incredible Voyage 18000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519898)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:28 PM
Author: pea-brained party of the first part station

No young man of any worth can finish that and not have a better idea of what it means to be a man and to experience the thrill, the triumph, of surviving impossible odds. Leadership, loyalty, discipline. And then they get home and are like, fuck it, sign me up for WWI’s trenches

My middle son needed a bit of coaching on perseverance, so we read this together and then did a HARD AS FUCK mountain bike camping trip in western NC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520739)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:33 PM
Author: vengeful zippy doctorate

James Bond novels

Conan (only read the flemming and howard originals though)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519505)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:39 PM
Author: Vivacious Pearl Step-uncle's House Round Eye

The first Bond novel is so good. Amazing call.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519535)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:51 PM
Author: vengeful zippy doctorate

Once I got into the first one I burned through the rest (12 or so) in a summer. all were 180. I tried reading the non-flemming but its not the same. They don't write novels like that anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519587)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:50 PM
Author: Vivacious Pearl Step-uncle's House Round Eye

Any chance you can recommend your top 5? I need some new books to read.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519744)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 10:06 AM
Author: vengeful zippy doctorate

1. Goldfinger

2. Moonraker

3. Casino Royale

4. From Russia With Love

5. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

the order changes based on mood but these five are in a tier above.

the rest are all solid. for example, Diamonds are Forever is my least favorite and that is still leagues better than any modern espionage novel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49522101)



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Date: December 21st, 2025 6:44 PM
Author: Vivacious Pearl Step-uncle's House Round Eye

tyft. I loved Moonraker. Will check out Goldfinger next I think.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49528612)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:46 PM
Author: Bistre pit

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519729)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:42 PM
Author: swashbuckling mental disorder

Anabasis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519542)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Spectacular preventive strike space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519572)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:43 PM
Author: Disturbing maniacal parlour potus

Flowers for Algernon

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519548)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:48 PM
Author: Spectacular preventive strike space

The Lessons of History - Will & Ariel Durant

Man's Search for Meaning - Viktor Frankl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519568)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 1:55 PM
Author: disgusting laser beams

a song of ice and fire. I'm not a fantasy guy and I loved it. great series for boys who like knights, politics, and violence.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519602)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:30 PM
Author: exciting library

Patrick O'Byrne's Master and Commander and related books in the series

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519689)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:36 PM
Author: irradiated property idiot

Hardy Boys (how old is your kid?)

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

Dune

anything recent by Lawrence Millman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519705)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:37 PM
Author: Spectacular preventive strike space

> Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519706)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 3:01 PM
Author: puce alcoholic kitchen trust fund

read that, among others, for my contemporary thought class in hs. book was so so but class was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519770)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: Bistre pit

zorba the greek



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519710)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:49 PM
Author: pea-brained party of the first part station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 2:53 PM
Author: marvelous mauve rehab

Several good recs already upthread. Some others:

The Things They Carried

Mark Twain--starting with Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn

1984

The Lord of the Rings Trilogy (and throw in The Hobbit)

Infinite Jest

Moby Dick

Blood Meridian

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49519751)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:30 PM
Author: pea-brained party of the first part station

Cr. list

I feel like The Things They Carried got a bit overexposed to the hopelessly feminized librarian space for a time and was looked down upon as kind of trite. But it’s 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520745)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Vermilion dilemma regret

The Things They Carried is the most classic writer's favorite. You shouldn't look down on librarian recs. This is all they do

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520815)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 10:12 PM
Author: marvelous mauve rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521254)



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Date: December 22nd, 2025 11:44 AM
Author: shivering know-it-all voyeur

agree with the first sentence and rec. need to exercise caution with the second and third sentences just given that the values may not be stoic masculine warrior

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49530736)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 5:09 PM
Author: Bronze hot house

Watership Down

A Day No Pigs Would Die

2nd Where the Red Fern Grows

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520246)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:33 PM
Author: Yellow Candlestick Maker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520756)



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Date: December 18th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: mustard hairraiser marketing idea brethren

Starship Troopers

Enders Game

Johnny Tremain

Childhoods End

Rama



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49520778)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 12:16 AM
Author: Gay multi-colored blood rage

A CONFEDERACY OF DUNCES

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5811707&forum_id=2#49521578)



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Date: December 19th, 2025 2:11 AM
Author: swashbuckling mental disorder

Neon Bible better rec for younger kid

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