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Gemini has gotten better at shitlaw

I painstakingly had gpt and Claude separately review a hosti...
impertinent sick genital piercing
  07/08/25
If all you need is draft language, you can run Gemma on a $2...
Vermilion Immigrant Pit
  07/08/25
Gemma is not anywhere close to 2.5 pro. Completely different...
lime locale
  07/08/25
For writing shitlaw motions and pleadings it's fine. I'm on ...
Vermilion Immigrant Pit
  07/08/25
oh great, now we will have two rats suing each other with an...
Sticky Provocative Karate Dragon
  07/08/25
No, legal writing will just become less SHITTY than it curre...
Vermilion Immigrant Pit
  07/08/25
It’s fucking awesome at it. Been paying for Claude too...
Burgundy odious office friendly grandma
  07/08/25
Yeah it's awesome at shitlaw I think it would get wrecke...
impertinent sick genital piercing
  07/08/25
It gets antitrust up and down, if that's complicated
Vermilion Immigrant Pit
  07/08/25
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Burgundy odious office friendly grandma
  07/09/25
The gemini deep think model is supposed to launch soon and l...
lime locale
  07/08/25
what does Gemini cost?
razzle-dazzle toaster ticket booth
  07/09/25
I added it to my google workspace for like $7 per user over ...
Burgundy odious office friendly grandma
  07/09/25
tyft
razzle-dazzle toaster ticket booth
  07/09/25
Gemini will make shitlaw attorneys obsolete. Thank god.
slap-happy national death wish
  07/09/25
It will make them better writers. You'll be so fucking thank...
Vermilion Immigrant Pit
  07/09/25
It’s definitely made paralegals obsolete. And maybe yo...
Burgundy odious office friendly grandma
  07/09/25
Is that what they're telling you in your 1L classes?
stirring business firm regret
  07/09/25
Yes. Lots of people have dropped out. Only the thirstiest sc...
Burgundy odious office friendly grandma
  07/09/25
Good news. Sounds like the next generation of The Stewards O...
stirring business firm regret
  07/09/25
Only so many teats at which to suckle
Burgundy odious office friendly grandma
  07/09/25
This is it. AI operates at like a 3rd year level now. You ar...
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  07/09/25
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Burgundy odious office friendly grandma
  07/09/25
did you see the recent article about the SCOTUS litigator wh...
razzle-dazzle toaster ticket booth
  07/09/25
No that’s 180. I use it to argue with me in text and i...
Burgundy odious office friendly grandma
  07/09/25
It's good for deposition prep. You can tell it what admissio...
Vermilion Immigrant Pit
  07/09/25
Just used it to create a timeline for a 200 page police repo...
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  07/09/25
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Burgundy odious office friendly grandma
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Date: July 8th, 2025 7:38 PM
Author: impertinent sick genital piercing

I painstakingly had gpt and Claude separately review a hostile client situation and draft a proposed email. Claude was more breezy and casual and GPT was robotically professional.

Had Gemini Pro 2.5 look at both drafts and pick one, it said they're both shitty and absolutely DO NOT SEND EITHER. Gave me a huge list of bulleted feedback and cited actual bar ethics / rules. I told it to just write the damn thing itself from scratch

Then I showed the Gemini draft to Claude and GPT and both were like "oh yeah that's way better than mine"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49083885)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 7:39 PM
Author: Vermilion Immigrant Pit

If all you need is draft language, you can run Gemma on a $200 graphics card and get equally good results. It's just a quantized version of Gemini, and quantization doesn't really affect it's writing ability

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49083887)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 9:06 PM
Author: lime locale

Gemma is not anywhere close to 2.5 pro. Completely different models

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49084199)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 9:08 PM
Author: Vermilion Immigrant Pit

For writing shitlaw motions and pleadings it's fine. I'm on Gemma3 12b, but Gemma2 was good enough. And no, Google didn't train two totally different LLMs but only commercialize one of them. lmao they both got trained on Google's in-house legal docs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49084213)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 7:40 PM
Author: Sticky Provocative Karate Dragon

oh great, now we will have two rats suing each other with an army of AI agents.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49083889)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 7:51 PM
Author: Vermilion Immigrant Pit

No, legal writing will just become less SHITTY than it currently is. Sorry you SUCK at it too much to appreciate the difference

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49083927)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 7:55 PM
Author: Burgundy odious office friendly grandma

It’s fucking awesome at it. Been paying for Claude too but it beats Claude pretty regularly and sometimes just blows everything else out of the water. Got best overall on BigLaw Bench recently.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49083941)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 9:01 PM
Author: impertinent sick genital piercing

Yeah it's awesome at shitlaw

I think it would get wrecked at anything complicated like appeals or medmal tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49084177)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 9:06 PM
Author: Vermilion Immigrant Pit

It gets antitrust up and down, if that's complicated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49084202)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 4:44 PM
Author: Burgundy odious office friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087422)



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Date: July 8th, 2025 9:05 PM
Author: lime locale

The gemini deep think model is supposed to launch soon and looks significantly better. Going to be 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49084198)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 4:54 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle toaster ticket booth

what does Gemini cost?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087451)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 5:01 PM
Author: Burgundy odious office friendly grandma

I added it to my google workspace for like $7 per user over the basic plan

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087470)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 5:07 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle toaster ticket booth

tyft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087478)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 5:02 PM
Author: slap-happy national death wish

Gemini will make shitlaw attorneys obsolete. Thank god.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087472)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 5:07 PM
Author: Vermilion Immigrant Pit

It will make them better writers. You'll be so fucking thankful just for that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087476)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 6:50 PM
Author: Burgundy odious office friendly grandma

It’s definitely made paralegals obsolete. And maybe young associates too. Someone still has to show up in court. Would suck being fresh out of law school right now. AI will make a lot of people rethink their whole staffing situation. The ladder has been yanked up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087792)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 6:52 PM
Author: stirring business firm regret

Is that what they're telling you in your 1L classes?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087798)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 6:54 PM
Author: Burgundy odious office friendly grandma

Yes. Lots of people have dropped out. Only the thirstiest scholars remain

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087806)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 6:55 PM
Author: stirring business firm regret

Good news. Sounds like the next generation of The Stewards Of The Law will be only the people who really want to be there. Who are doing it for the Love Of The Law

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087809)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 7:17 PM
Author: Burgundy odious office friendly grandma

Only so many teats at which to suckle

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087871)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 7:04 PM
Author: lavender supple senate jap

This is it. AI operates at like a 3rd year level now. You are always going to need senior associates and partners to review its work. The difference is that you need to spend a few mins prompting it and you have a work product that could take a junior or paralegal multiple days to complete. Not sure how this is going to play out but AI Will definitely fuck up junior/admin staffing and the hourly billing model.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087848)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 7:18 PM
Author: Burgundy odious office friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087872)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 7:07 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle toaster ticket booth

did you see the recent article about the SCOTUS litigator who used AI to mock out a full oral argument using a sim of his own voice? will we ever reach the point where a lawyer can vouch to the court that he trained AI to make his oral arguments for him?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087852)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 7:22 PM
Author: Burgundy odious office friendly grandma

No that’s 180. I use it to argue with me in text and it’s really helpful. It scolded me the other day when I asked it about some different options in a case. It was like “absolutely don’t even consider this one thing as an option it’s the dumbest possible thing you could do” and then wrote a long article about why and made a chart of all the choices I had and the different outcomes at various stages. It’s really useful at telling you what not to do and I think a lot of people ignore this capability

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49087884)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 11:26 PM
Author: Vermilion Immigrant Pit

It's good for deposition prep. You can tell it what admissions you the deponent to make, what obstacles you expect etc, and game things out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49088711)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 9:11 PM
Author: dull state indirect expression

Just used it to create a timeline for a 200 page police report for me and list of witnesses with their statements. Pretty cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49088293)



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Date: July 9th, 2025 11:24 PM
Author: Burgundy odious office friendly grandma



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5747770&forum_id=2#49088707)