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the video of jordan peterson crying over incels is surprisingly sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1612L2FMHo figured i'd just...
Turquoise Elastic Band Step-uncle's House
  10/03/22
it's sick that the media and libs take this perverse joy in ...
rambunctious gaped indian lodge
  10/03/22
regardless of one's feelings about this clown in general, yo...
Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt
  10/03/22
oh absolutely, he can't keep his house in order at all (eith...
Turquoise Elastic Band Step-uncle's House
  10/03/22
i don't doubt that he has good intentions (whatever this eve...
Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt
  10/03/22
He has wrestled with and overcome the things he rails agains...
Motley yellow main people
  10/03/22
yep i have done this too, and bonus - i'm not a cuck who goe...
Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt
  10/03/22
(Low iq take)
Ivory kitchen
  10/03/22
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Coiffed cerebral old irish cottage office
  10/03/22
"be a man!" *gets thrown into dingy cell by dau...
bateful french chef point
  10/03/22
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Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt
  10/03/22
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Soul-stirring maize patrolman
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Gold quadroon lodge
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Azure cowardly antidepressant drug
  10/03/22
Not to mention that big scandal when he was caught at a hote...
Dark Wonderful Bbw
  10/03/22
It means he can relate to them because he has obviously deal...
Motley yellow main people
  10/03/22
cry not manly1!!1!
Infuriating Headpube Temple
  10/03/22
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Butlerian Jihadist
  04/01/26
I don't think him crying is a product of being ground down. ...
exciting citrine cruise ship jewess
  10/03/22
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electric indigo station
  10/03/22
the fact is that men do not have inherent value it used t...
electric indigo station
  10/03/22
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Turquoise Elastic Band Step-uncle's House
  10/03/22
wow true but sad
Motley yellow main people
  10/03/22
slightly more complicated than that. there was at least a p...
shaky sandwich
  10/03/22
"Honor" for fallen soldiers was a lie sold to them...
Motley yellow main people
  10/03/22
Incels Rise Up
shaky sandwich
  10/03/22
Also don’t be fat or bald and forgodsakes don’t ...
Boyish sadistic hall
  10/03/22
If you're short and most women reject you for it then find y...
Motley yellow main people
  10/03/22
"plausible pretense to dying with dignity" lmao
electric indigo station
  10/03/22
well i mean yeah when women couldn't go out and do anything ...
ebony set macaca
  10/03/22
(actual poor loser)
electric indigo station
  10/03/22
Dude, WTF. Just LOL at you typing this
Lime Frisky Garrison Generalized Bond
  10/03/22
Sounds like a reddit poast
a lifetime spent arguing with autistic men online
  04/02/26
i enjoyed some of his expository 'lecture' videos, which i t...
shaky sandwich
  10/03/22
he's just a fucking retard lol. don't forget his absolutely ...
Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt
  10/03/22
i know, but people seem to direct 100x more venom at Peterso...
shaky sandwich
  10/03/22
cr on the last point, boomers grew up in a gentler era when ...
Turquoise Elastic Band Step-uncle's House
  10/03/22
funnily enough, i actually think that andrew tate is a stric...
Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt
  10/03/22
it's a weird situation. as men lose social status and wom...
shaky sandwich
  10/03/22
very cr poast
Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt
  10/03/22
Any woman who eagerly competes with men in (still largely) m...
Boyish sadistic hall
  10/03/22
more red pill nonsense
electric indigo station
  10/04/22
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Cracking henna church building
  10/04/22
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Butlerian Jihadist
  04/01/26
He has made some good points about IQ, namely that a large p...
Hairraiser rusted mad cow disease
  10/03/22
“This guy Jordan Peterson is someone that legitimizes ...
ebony set macaca
  10/03/22
this idea that Jordan Peterson is an "incel" and a...
a lifetime spent arguing with autistic men online
  04/02/26
nah grown men crying is uplifting, inspirational
sick out-of-control useless brakes
  10/03/22
no it's not it's an I am Spartacus moment I am also that ...
180 psychic prole
  10/03/22
it's still sad, but same right now, man. a lot of us (online...
Turquoise Elastic Band Step-uncle's House
  10/03/22
Nothing wrong with showing emotions. If you think that, you...
pungent jade liquid oxygen selfie
  10/03/22
Everything in moderation.
Turquoise Elastic Band Step-uncle's House
  10/03/22
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electric indigo station
  10/04/22
"These are forty year-old men jerking off into bloody t...
...,.,,.....,,.,...,......,...,....,..
  04/01/26
jfc
butt cheeks of Hormuz
  04/02/26
What's wrong with jerking off into tissues
a lifetime spent arguing with autistic men online
  04/02/26
both of them seem like huge fags but caring about women you ...
Waingro
  04/02/26


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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:27 PM
Author: Turquoise Elastic Band Step-uncle's House

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1612L2FMHo

figured i'd just laugh and conclude "lol faggot" watching it, but that poor leaf has been completely ground down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273129)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:29 PM
Author: rambunctious gaped indian lodge

it's sick that the media and libs take this perverse joy in mocking young men

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273141)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:29 PM
Author: Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt

regardless of one's feelings about this clown in general, you have to admit it's fucking hilarious that this guy's entire shtick is "man up and be a man" while he goes around crying in public unprompted like every other day

like lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273145)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:31 PM
Author: Turquoise Elastic Band Step-uncle's House

oh absolutely, he can't keep his house in order at all (either literally or metaphorically, in a psychological sense). still sad, though. you know the guy probably has patients in mind.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273155)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:39 PM
Author: Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt

i don't doubt that he has good intentions (whatever this even means), but that's the thing: the whole reason why the world is in this shitty spot in the first place is because all of the retarded, pussified "men" with "good intentions" who have "stewarded" our society up to this point

i find it endlessly hilarious how much jordan peterson epitomizes the things he rails against

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273208)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:20 PM
Author: Motley yellow main people

He has wrestled with and overcome the things he rails against. What have you accomplished? It's easy to criticize, isn't it? But as Teddy Roosevelt said, it's not the critic who counts, it's the man actually in the arena fighting and marred and muddied while you sit faceless in the crowd knowing neither victory nor defeat.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273400)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:29 PM
Author: Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt

yep i have done this too, and bonus - i'm not a cuck who goes around telling people that jews are awesome and should be in charge and we need to Believe All Women

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273457)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:32 PM
Author: Ivory kitchen

(Low iq take)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273163)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:57 PM
Author: Coiffed cerebral old irish cottage office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273303)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:38 PM
Author: bateful french chef point

"be a man!"

*gets thrown into dingy cell by daughter while she fucks some milk dud looking nigger*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273201)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:39 PM
Author: Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273211)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:39 PM
Author: Soul-stirring maize patrolman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273215)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:07 PM
Author: Gold quadroon lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273342)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 7:32 PM
Author: Azure cowardly antidepressant drug



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273825)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:41 PM
Author: Dark Wonderful Bbw

Not to mention that big scandal when he was caught at a hotel getting turndown service.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273227)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:44 PM
Author: Motley yellow main people

It means he can relate to them because he has obviously dealt with many of the same issues as them (down to the messy room in the background of certain videos) but has also obviously put his life together such that he was a tenured professor, successful clinical psychologist and author all before his mass-media blowup

The worst sort of advice comes from people for whom everything came easy and then they go "be like me and do the things that I did even though you're a loser and I'm a winner who's never had a real setback or adversity"

I like Buffett and Schwarzenegger and star athletes etc. but they have nothing, absolutely nothing to say to desperate failure-to-launch losers whereas Peterson is obviously much closer to being on their wavelength, and that's a good thing not a bad thing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273238)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 7:19 PM
Author: Infuriating Headpube Temple

cry not manly1!!1!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273748)



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Date: April 1st, 2026 7:54 PM
Author: Butlerian Jihadist



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#49787380)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:37 PM
Author: exciting citrine cruise ship jewess

I don't think him crying is a product of being ground down. He's gone through some bad health problems and addiction so he's probably more empathetic to suffering. It's also why he's all about the Bible recently. For him, society's callousness to the suffering of modern man is a tragedy that he feels strongly about. I'm surprised this is so hard to grasp for a board full of angry incels.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273195)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:38 PM
Author: electric indigo station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273204)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:40 PM
Author: electric indigo station

the fact is that men do not have inherent value

it used to be 1/3 of men died in war, now 1/3 of men will die alone

thems the breaks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273218)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:40 PM
Author: Turquoise Elastic Band Step-uncle's House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273219)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:46 PM
Author: Motley yellow main people

wow true but sad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273248)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:49 PM
Author: shaky sandwich

slightly more complicated than that.

there was at least a plausible pretense to dignity in dying in a war in a homogenous patriarchal culture.

now men are not only expendable but viciously abused and stripped of all dignity, which is politically reapportioned to idiotic womyn and minorities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273270)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:53 PM
Author: Motley yellow main people

"Honor" for fallen soldiers was a lie sold to them by elites who would never die on the front lines themselves. Now men have access to godlike technologies and comforts and all they need to do is suck it up and approach women repeatedly in bars and turn off Twitter and read great literature rather than watch Andrew Tate videos and they will be insulated and immune to the psych warfare of our era

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273287)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:54 PM
Author: shaky sandwich

Incels Rise Up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273291)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 7:18 PM
Author: Boyish sadistic hall

Also don’t be fat or bald and forgodsakes don’t be short. Be at least 6’ but you must not be under 5’9” and if you’re 5’6” or below just killself of become a monk or something like that. Also don’t be ugly and really you should try to earn at least six figures and really anything under 500k a year should be unacceptable to you. But above all what ever you do DONT. BE. SHORT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273742)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 8:29 PM
Author: Motley yellow main people

If you're short and most women reject you for it then find your looksmatch which is probably some short and ugly chick. That's a fair swap! It's weird when unattractive men think they should get women way out of their league, same as when unattractive women think same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45274227)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:05 PM
Author: electric indigo station

"plausible pretense to dying with dignity"

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273333)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:06 PM
Author: ebony set macaca

well i mean yeah when women couldn't go out and do anything because they were hobbled by pregnancy/nursing for 20 years because half of their kids would die in infancy and they figured they needed some spares you probably could get away with being a fat bald slob. maybe get some rogaine and go to the gym and don't be a poor loser.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273339)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:25 PM
Author: electric indigo station

(actual poor loser)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273434)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:26 PM
Author: Lime Frisky Garrison Generalized Bond

Dude, WTF. Just LOL at you typing this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273436)



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Date: April 2nd, 2026 12:17 AM
Author: a lifetime spent arguing with autistic men online

Sounds like a reddit poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#49788316)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:41 PM
Author: shaky sandwich

i enjoyed some of his expository 'lecture' videos, which i think were high quality. but i can't get over his stunningly retarded NPC political takes ('TRUMP man BAD!' 'Kavanaugh should resign and apologize to that nice and obviously sincere lady!'.

it just casts fatal doubts upon his overall judgment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273225)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:47 PM
Author: Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt

he's just a fucking retard lol. don't forget his absolutely pathetic and embarrassing water-carrying for jewish power

i think every sane person can agree that "you're a man - act like it!" is great advice for every man. but beyond that, this guy has nothing useful to say. he really is a living breathing unironic example of the "gatekeeper" meme

i'd call him a scam artist but that seems unfair to scam artists, many of whom are very talented and work hard for a living

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273259)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:57 PM
Author: shaky sandwich

i know, but people seem to direct 100x more venom at Peterson than they direct toward truly noxious leftoid white-genocidal 'thought leaders'. it seems unfair.

he had some interesting takes that were vaguely dissident adjacent. to the extent that he is politically obtuse, i don't think it is intentional subversion. i just think he's ultimately a blinkered Boomertard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273304)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:01 PM
Author: Turquoise Elastic Band Step-uncle's House

cr on the last point, boomers grew up in a gentler era when this round of subversion was just mounting and literally can't comprehend why or how the world changed, just too old

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273315)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:03 PM
Author: Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt

funnily enough, i actually think that andrew tate is a strictly better version of jordan peterson

he runs the same "be a man" shtick, but in a more brutally honest manner, and with more detail on exactly what you should do to "be a man" other than "don't be a mopey loser"

he's also a genuine dissident and speaks out directly against many specific institutions and actors in power

"they" obviously agree with this assessment, because they pulled out all the stops to Shut It Down for him, while peterson still gets invited on globohomo "talk shows" to incoherently babble and break down crying for no apparent reason

(FYI, it's funny because andrew tate pumped and dumped jordan peterson's retarded sociopathic slut daughter)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273330)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:22 PM
Author: shaky sandwich

it's a weird situation.

as men lose social status and women gain (pseudo)-status, professionally and economically, the premium placed on indicators of coarse forms of masculinity (sheer size, height, dominance, low-grade abusiveness e.g. 'negging', sociopathy) increases.

100 years ago, under a patriarchal organization of society in which women were firmly subordinated in every sense, someone who followed Peterson's model of masculinity would have been invested with more status, and someone like Tate would have been seen as beyond the pale, a brute.

gentility and masculine status could coexist then, because men had monopolies on all forms of social status (College Professorships, etc), and that status could be transmuted into 'masculinity'. now, women essentially dominate many of the professions (artificially), so these forms of status have lost their ability to confer masculinity.

the only forms of masculine status that are still monopolized by males involve the raw attributes of manhood previously mentioned -- physical power, testosterone, violent aggression, etc. so these have become the only things that women value in men, because they are the things that remain out of reach to the ongoing process of political reapportionment of male status (professional/economic/cultural) unto womyn.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273412)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:31 PM
Author: Pea-brained diverse toilet seat people who are hurt

very cr poast

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273466)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 7:30 PM
Author: Boyish sadistic hall

Any woman who eagerly competes with men in (still largely) male dominated spheres and professions should and almost always is shunned by straight men as a potential mate. The guys that don’t shun these women are typically betas who eventually get divorcepwn3d. In that sense women who take these spots away from the lower performing cohort of men are socially valuable as a restriction on the further propagation of mediocre genes by mediocre men. The problem is not that mediocre men can’t reproduce. It’s 1) that mediocre men have adopted womanly habits of being overselective and irrationally entitled about their ability to attract a higher value mate than they likely deserve (caused by mass media and porn primarily), and 2) we don’t have and desperately need a policy program to prevent low value men and women from reproducing. The most important thing we can do is to convince low iq residents that kids are a hassle and annoying and too much work and then offer them cash incentives for sterilization. We should pay on a sliding scale of an extra 10k for every IQ point below 90.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273809)



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Date: October 4th, 2022 11:18 AM
Author: electric indigo station

more red pill nonsense

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45277191)



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Date: October 4th, 2022 2:25 AM
Author: Cracking henna church building



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45275923)



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Date: April 1st, 2026 7:55 PM
Author: Butlerian Jihadist



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#49787388)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 6:00 PM
Author: Hairraiser rusted mad cow disease

He has made some good points about IQ, namely that a large percentage of the population is too stupid to be of use for even menial labor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273311)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:48 PM
Author: ebony set macaca

“This guy Jordan Peterson is someone that legitimizes certain aspects of [the incel] movement because he’s a former professor, he’s an author, he wears a suit, so they feel like this is a real philosophy that should be taken seriously,” the film director said.

devastating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273265)



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Date: April 2nd, 2026 12:34 AM
Author: a lifetime spent arguing with autistic men online

this idea that Jordan Peterson is an "incel" and a thought leader for "incels" is such bottom of the barrel lib flame. It's something you see floating around on reddit a lot of the time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#49788335)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 5:50 PM
Author: sick out-of-control useless brakes

nah grown men crying is uplifting, inspirational

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45273272)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 8:05 PM
Author: 180 psychic prole

no it's not it's an I am Spartacus moment

I am also that disaffected "young" fella who could use an encouraring word :'(

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45274029)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 8:10 PM
Author: Turquoise Elastic Band Step-uncle's House

it's still sad, but same right now, man. a lot of us (online men) are.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45274083)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 9:23 PM
Author: pungent jade liquid oxygen selfie

Nothing wrong with showing emotions. If you think that, you have the issue; not Jordan Peterson.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45274584)



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Date: October 3rd, 2022 9:30 PM
Author: Turquoise Elastic Band Step-uncle's House

Everything in moderation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45274622)



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Date: October 4th, 2022 11:17 AM
Author: electric indigo station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#45277187)



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Date: April 1st, 2026 11:24 PM
Author: ...,.,,.....,,.,...,......,...,....,..


"These are forty year-old men jerking off into bloody tissues. That's no joke, bucko."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#49788215)



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Date: April 2nd, 2026 12:23 AM
Author: butt cheeks of Hormuz (✅🍑)

jfc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#49788323)



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Date: April 2nd, 2026 12:35 AM
Author: a lifetime spent arguing with autistic men online

What's wrong with jerking off into tissues

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#49788336)



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Date: April 2nd, 2026 12:25 AM
Author: Waingro

both of them seem like huge fags but caring about women you arent related to/married to over 25 or so makes you an even bigger faggot.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5204853&forum_id=2#49788328)