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Salon: "Why Uber must be stopped"

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/31/why_uber_must_be_stopped/
Idiotic Feces
  09/02/14
Uber is a bunch of amoral shiesty motherfucekrs germany g...
zippy underhanded persian
  09/02/14
Counterpoint from Salon: Why Uber Can't be Stopped http:/...
salmon yapping tank center
  09/02/14
it cant be stopped doesnt mean it shouldnt be stopped
zippy underhanded persian
  09/02/14
can't stop, won't stop
Cracking Snowy Stage Faggot Firefighter
  09/02/14
You Can't, You Won't And You Don't Stop
ultramarine nibblets
  09/02/14
*is not surprised at all by the author photo*
Exhilarant lay potus
  09/02/14
fucking faggot has the nerve to name his twitter handle afte...
dead big famous landscape painting step-uncle's house
  09/02/14
I have no idea what uber and lyft are rate prole.
Unhinged drunken internal respiration office
  09/02/14
i rate u hoegaarden and hot pockets
hairraiser maroon bawdyhouse dingle berry
  09/02/14
this shit is so irritating to read. perfect example of how ...
exciting area
  09/02/14
fine to provide a serivce but their tactics are a bit uncout...
zippy underhanded persian
  09/02/14
who gives a fuck? most regular cab drivers are somali immig...
exciting area
  09/02/14
i give a fuck because they run their shit like fucking high ...
zippy underhanded persian
  09/02/14
oh how uncouth! lol at getting your CC blacklisted by them ...
exciting area
  09/02/14
...
Lavender Metal Hell
  11/18/14
lol what the fuck did you do to get your credit card blackli...
Maize overrated mediation library
  09/02/14
i know people who work there, they thought it would be funny...
zippy underhanded persian
  09/02/14
hi cynthia!
dead big famous landscape painting step-uncle's house
  09/02/14
THEY DON'T RESPOND TO PHONE CALLS SEND THEIR EXECUTIVES TO T...
Fishy Mischievous Puppy Nowag
  11/18/14
No clicking link what are cliffs
elite set
  09/02/14
Uber is mean to Lyft!!! Goldman Sachs invested!!! Must be st...
salmon yapping tank center
  09/02/14
the drivers aren't even unionized!!
exciting area
  09/02/14
Well in my experience Uber is world's better than a cab. Th...
elite set
  09/02/14
This weekend some turdskin fuck claimed the ride would inclu...
exciting area
  09/02/14
turdskins are never not telling bald-faced lies to your face...
dead big famous landscape painting step-uncle's house
  09/02/14
Shitlibs hate young entrepreneurs, news at 11
self-centered hunting ground
  09/02/14
I've been posting about this for a while. All these SHITLIBS...
galvanic private investor
  09/02/14
Shitlibs never not whining about shit not being fair or okay...
Thriller thirsty corner
  09/02/14
didn't Lyft basically copy their entire business model anywa...
exciting area
  09/02/14
No. Lyft provided a lower cost cheaper mass appeal option t...
salmon yapping tank center
  09/02/14
Uber is a lower cost mass appeal option to regular cabs
exciting area
  09/02/14
We're kind of talking past each other here.
salmon yapping tank center
  09/02/14
cabbies love bootlickers, film at 11
silver misunderstood queen of the night native
  09/02/14
lol salon is chock full of complete fucking faggot pussy lib...
Maize overrated mediation library
  09/02/14
...
crawly meetinghouse multi-billionaire
  09/02/14
...
fluffy garnet state clown
  11/18/14
> Existing taxi drivers are worried that they can’t compe...
dead big famous landscape painting step-uncle's house
  09/02/14
I never actually hear people criticize Uber irl and I have s...
Dark Heady Water Buffalo
  09/02/14
I have multiple shitlib friends who have posted anti-uber sh...
amethyst cerebral toaster chad
  09/02/14
aside from criticizing some shady shit they've done in re ly...
Disrespectful Ladyboy Point
  09/02/14
what's 'wrong' w Uber again? I've found it vastly superi...
crawly meetinghouse multi-billionaire
  09/02/14
It's "unregulated"
amethyst cerebral toaster chad
  09/02/14
...
Idiotic Feces
  11/18/14
article is dumb prob is not monopoly its that company extern...
Infuriating clear theater
  11/18/14
Yeah it dupes idiot drivers who can't do the math on costs o...
Multi-colored impressive whorehouse
  11/18/14
Costs like what?
fluffy garnet state clown
  11/18/14
This is the REAL lib subtext regarding Uber: Taxi cabs ar...
swollen navy principal's office
  11/18/14
around here uber used to be a little better in price than ca...
Bateful Copper Theatre Party Of The First Part
  11/18/14
reptards who think all "deregulation" can be dumpe...
Stimulating doctorate azn
  11/18/14
...
fluffy garnet state clown
  11/18/14
This article seems to purposely ignore the rather critical f...
know-it-all electric hall love of her life
  11/18/14
That, and everyone was sick of dealing with Somali or Paki t...
Gold lascivious address
  11/18/14
the far left "thinkers" are pretty fucking furious...
Stimulating doctorate azn
  11/18/14
Uber drivers earn more than cabbies, FWIW.
fluffy garnet state clown
  11/18/14
lib onslaught on Uber continues: http://www.vice.com/re...
Disgusting sepia goyim shitlib
  11/18/14
lol most of this is "well the founder is kind of a douc...
fragrant site
  11/18/14
also fuck criminal black cabs in London. Fuck them.
Concupiscible abode people who are hurt
  11/18/14
it's hilarious to see the urbanite effete "liberals&quo...
galvanic private investor
  11/18/14
...
Idiotic Feces
  07/14/26
FINE WINE
shaky gunner
  07/14/26


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Date: September 2nd, 2014 12:34 PM
Author: Idiotic Feces

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/31/why_uber_must_be_stopped/



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253008)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 12:52 PM
Author: zippy underhanded persian

Uber is a bunch of amoral shiesty motherfucekrs

germany got it right banned them, more countries shall follow suit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253104)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 12:56 PM
Author: salmon yapping tank center

Counterpoint from Salon: Why Uber Can't be Stopped

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/13/uber_and_the_neo_luddites/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253125)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:01 PM
Author: zippy underhanded persian

it cant be stopped doesnt mean it shouldnt be stopped

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253143)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:43 PM
Author: Cracking Snowy Stage Faggot Firefighter

can't stop, won't stop

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253428)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:01 PM
Author: ultramarine nibblets

You Can't, You Won't And You Don't Stop

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253553)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 12:59 PM
Author: Exhilarant lay potus

*is not surprised at all by the author photo*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253135)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:16 PM
Author: dead big famous landscape painting step-uncle's house

fucking faggot has the nerve to name his twitter handle after a literal WGWAG pirate king

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253640)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:07 PM
Author: Unhinged drunken internal respiration office

I have no idea what uber and lyft are rate prole.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253180)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:51 PM
Author: hairraiser maroon bawdyhouse dingle berry

i rate u hoegaarden and hot pockets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253488)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:12 PM
Author: exciting area

this shit is so irritating to read. perfect example of how shitlibs will value their shitlib talking points over something that benefits the vast majority of society.

oooh it's so capitalist and evil. nevermind that cabs in most parts of the country are so SPS that people will drive shitfaced and risk going to jail rather than deal with them.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253217)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:17 PM
Author: zippy underhanded persian

fine to provide a serivce but their tactics are a bit uncouth

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253236)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:20 PM
Author: exciting area

who gives a fuck? most regular cab drivers are somali immigrants that look like they will cut you if you don't pay them in cash.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253250)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:22 PM
Author: zippy underhanded persian

i give a fuck because they run their shit like fucking high schoolers, dont respond to phone calls, blacklist credit cards without notification, and are generally fucking assholes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253266)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:25 PM
Author: exciting area

oh how uncouth! lol at getting your CC blacklisted by them or needing to call them ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253293)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 6:32 PM
Author: Lavender Metal Hell



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26745588)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:43 PM
Author: Maize overrated mediation library

lol what the fuck did you do to get your credit card blacklisted.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253433)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:52 PM
Author: zippy underhanded persian

i know people who work there, they thought it would be funny to fuck with my account and invade my privacy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253494)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:15 PM
Author: dead big famous landscape painting step-uncle's house

hi cynthia!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253626)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 10:50 AM
Author: Fishy Mischievous Puppy Nowag

THEY DON'T RESPOND TO PHONE CALLS SEND THEIR EXECUTIVES TO THE GULAGS NOW

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743166)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:18 PM
Author: elite set

No clicking link what are cliffs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253246)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:20 PM
Author: salmon yapping tank center

Uber is mean to Lyft!!! Goldman Sachs invested!!! Must be stopped because Capitalism is bad!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253255)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:21 PM
Author: exciting area

the drivers aren't even unionized!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253258)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:29 PM
Author: elite set

Well in my experience Uber is world's better than a cab. They're not even on the same planet as far as user experience. Blacklisting credit cards? Probably because these broke shitlibs didn't pay and got them closed.

About two weeks ago I was on the PATH from WTC to Newark and the service shut off in jersey city. Something with the track between the stops. They suspended service and kicked everyone off the train. The cabbies wanted $30 a person and 4 people at a time to take people to Newark. So the idea that cabbies are some honest salt of the earth folk, like most shitlib myths, is utter nonsense. They would happily have left people stranded there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253316)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:32 PM
Author: exciting area

This weekend some turdskin fuck claimed the ride would include a $10 upcharge for tolls. I informed him that I was aware that the tolls were actually $1.50.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253350)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:19 PM
Author: dead big famous landscape painting step-uncle's house

turdskins are never not telling bald-faced lies to your face for profit. remember that when you see narendra modi, read gandhi or bob wood pu, or hire tommy turdskin. it is intrinsic to their culture

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253661)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:24 PM
Author: self-centered hunting ground

Shitlibs hate young entrepreneurs, news at 11

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253279)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:24 PM
Author: galvanic private investor

I've been posting about this for a while. All these SHITLIBS love to talk about how much they LURRRVVVEEE Uber, but then they're conflicted because it doesn't match what their lib overlords are telling them.

People who criticize Uber's methods are hilarious. Lib politicians, lib-popular companies like Apple, in many examples when liberalism + capitalism/competition mix, they get results similar to Uber. It's absurd how they single out Uber. All hypocrites.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253280)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:32 PM
Author: Thriller thirsty corner

Shitlibs never not whining about shit not being fair or okay.

If Uber is engaging in questionable tactics, Lyft can simply file a temporary restraining order in federal court. The side dialogue about capitalism and evil corporations is fucking stupid. Especially when the author isn't impacted by Uber one fucking bit, except for getting cheaper/better car service. Lol, what a piece of shit article.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253347)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:33 PM
Author: exciting area

didn't Lyft basically copy their entire business model anyways? fuck them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253356)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:34 PM
Author: salmon yapping tank center

No. Lyft provided a lower cost cheaper mass appeal option that Uber talked shit about and then immediately copied.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253365)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:37 PM
Author: exciting area

Uber is a lower cost mass appeal option to regular cabs

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253387)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:56 PM
Author: salmon yapping tank center

We're kind of talking past each other here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253523)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:40 PM
Author: silver misunderstood queen of the night native

cabbies love bootlickers, film at 11

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253412)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 1:50 PM
Author: Maize overrated mediation library

lol salon is chock full of complete fucking faggot pussy libs it's insane. This dork was probably throwing praise at uber 2 years ago when only he had heard about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253482)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:55 PM
Author: crawly meetinghouse multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253904)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 11:36 AM
Author: fluffy garnet state clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743346)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:21 PM
Author: dead big famous landscape painting step-uncle's house

> Existing taxi drivers are worried that they can’t compete against part-timers. What happens when everyone is a part-timer? Is a larger pool of drivers engaged in competition so fierce that no one can make a living wage a better solution than a smaller pool of drivers who can pay the rent?

Economic historians generally dismiss the Luddite movement by noting that the Industrial Revolution, while initially causing economic harm to skilled artisans, ended up lifting vast sectors of the world’s population out of abject poverty. The net result: more jobs and the rise of the middle class.

But there is growing concern that the current phase of technological progress is a different animal. The profits from new technological innovation are clearly not being distributed equally. This time around, it’s not clear at all that the base is broadening. Globalization and the digital revolution have us competing against each other and machines. It’s getting harder to make a living, not easier.

this idiot literally needs to take econ 101

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253677)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:24 PM
Author: Dark Heady Water Buffalo

I never actually hear people criticize Uber irl and I have some SERIOUSLY shitlib friends. I think this is otherkin microaggression flame perpetuated by those gnomes from that Dartmouth pic and a handful of other freaks.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253698)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:51 PM
Author: amethyst cerebral toaster chad

I have multiple shitlib friends who have posted anti-uber shit on Facebook

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253880)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:54 PM
Author: Disrespectful Ladyboy Point

aside from criticizing some shady shit they've done in re lyft, this is consistent with my experiences. i think uber run their business like dicks and that creates risk, but they're a great service and they will win this war.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253902)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:50 PM
Author: crawly meetinghouse multi-billionaire

what's 'wrong' w Uber again?

I've found it vastly superior to a cab in every way

cabs take forever, no idea where it is, driver sometimes barely speaks english, doesn't want to accept CC etc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253875)



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Date: September 2nd, 2014 2:51 PM
Author: amethyst cerebral toaster chad

It's "unregulated"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26253884)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 10:40 AM
Author: Idiotic Feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743133)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 10:44 AM
Author: Infuriating clear theater

article is dumb prob is not monopoly its that company externalizes many costs onto taxpayers and its workforce to make the cost of service artificially cheap

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743146)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 10:52 AM
Author: Multi-colored impressive whorehouse

Yeah it dupes idiot drivers who can't do the math on costs of insurance, gas, maintenance, depreciation, lack of benefits, etc.

Bet a lot of their drivers don't net much more than minimum wage when you get down to it

There's a reason taxi drivers are usually dirt fucking poor immigrants. All this sharing economy bullshit is just that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743170)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 11:38 AM
Author: fluffy garnet state clown

Costs like what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743355)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 10:59 AM
Author: swollen navy principal's office

This is the REAL lib subtext regarding Uber:

Taxi cabs are highly regulated and all around shitty in most cities. Uber is unregulated and better in every regard, including price.

If they recognize the value of Uber, they are recognizing value in deregulation.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743203)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 11:14 AM
Author: Bateful Copper Theatre Party Of The First Part

around here uber used to be a little better in price than cabs. now its constantly 2x and 3x rates, making it a lot more expensive than cabs. fuck uber.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743259)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 11:18 AM
Author: Stimulating doctorate azn

reptards who think all "deregulation" can be dumped in a basket together have a collective IQ of maybe 85.

i don't particularly care if tommy turdskin rickshawing me around the city is regulated. i care if the banks, the airlines, the insurance industry, public utilities, etc. are regulated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743270)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 11:39 AM
Author: fluffy garnet state clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743362)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 11:01 AM
Author: know-it-all electric hall love of her life

This article seems to purposely ignore the rather critical fact that 3 or 4 years ago, the taxi cab union had a "monopoly" everywhere, and a government-backed monopoly at that. And everyone hates taxis.

Basically, this whole thing just reads as a thinly veiled (or maybe not even veiled) gripe by a pro-unionist frustrated that its shitty unionized service industry is being pwn3d by a more efficiently run company that actually delivers quality service to customers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743210)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 11:19 AM
Author: Gold lascivious address

That, and everyone was sick of dealing with Somali or Paki taxicab drivers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743275)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 11:19 AM
Author: Stimulating doctorate azn

the far left "thinkers" are pretty fucking furious about the uber exec trying to snoop on journalists writing negative stuff.

that was dumb of him, but it doesn't affect how i view the company

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743274)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 11:37 AM
Author: fluffy garnet state clown

Uber drivers earn more than cabbies, FWIW.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26743348)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 6:07 PM
Author: Disgusting sepia goyim shitlib

lib onslaught on Uber continues:

http://www.vice.com/read/all-the-reasons-why-uber-is-the-worst-1118?utm_source=vicefbus

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26745512)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 6:18 PM
Author: fragrant site

lol most of this is "well the founder is kind of a douche in interviews"

...and?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26745548)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 6:40 PM
Author: Concupiscible abode people who are hurt

also fuck criminal black cabs in London. Fuck them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26745612)



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Date: November 18th, 2014 8:26 PM
Author: galvanic private investor

it's hilarious to see the urbanite effete "liberals" (Box is an example) love Uber, while their natural allies, the left "thinkers" HATE Uber, it splinters the left and is pretty lulzy to see the fake liberal types think it's nbd and use it because it is convenient and at the end of the day that >>>>> their supposed values

I am pro-uber btw I just think it's a funny distinction

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#26746328)



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Date: July 14th, 2026 9:02 AM
Author: Idiotic Feces



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#49998538)



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Date: July 14th, 2026 9:03 AM
Author: shaky gunner

FINE WINE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2663504&forum_id=2#49998540)