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Kirkland says it's spending $500 MILLION to build its own in-house AI

How the fuck is there not a thread on this already? http...
Iridescent azn
  05/28/26
seems like a good indicator this profession is fucked
Blue Whorehouse Elastic Band
  05/28/26
Uhh, it shows lawyers are more cash rich than Larry Ellison
Iridescent azn
  05/28/26
Kirkland ​said its platform would be designed based on inf...
idiotic racy school
  05/28/26
Divide 500,000,000 by those numbers in your head
Iridescent azn
  05/28/26
LMFAO. How does it feel to be one of Kirkland’s like ...
territorial free-loading lodge pervert
  05/29/26
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Flushed beady-eyed native
  05/29/26
au contraire. rainmaker share partners dont need their brian...
ivory fantasy-prone gas station roast beef
  05/29/26
Pity the derivatives, credit agreement, fund formation water...
territorial free-loading lodge pervert
  05/29/26
#All_Service_Partners: Report to conference room 42A on Mond...
ivory fantasy-prone gas station roast beef
  05/29/26
but first they're going to wear google glasses for 6 months ...
Awkward athletic conference
  05/29/26
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ivory fantasy-prone gas station roast beef
  05/29/26
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Laughsome community account
  05/29/26
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snowy dead trump supporter house
  05/29/26
but dbg assured me he would be safe
Nighttime supple love of her life chapel
  05/28/26
Does he work there with knowledge that partners were hoardin...
Iridescent azn
  05/28/26
this makes no fucking sense at all. whoever makes the best ...
Infuriating Painfully Honest Chad
  05/28/26
they probably tried claude code and think they can do anythi...
Blue Whorehouse Elastic Band
  05/28/26
https://x.com/i/status/2060128889377304715
Iridescent azn
  05/28/26
Fucking 180 Claude, run a 50 State search for "summa...
Balding Depressive
  05/29/26
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Infuriating Painfully Honest Chad
  05/29/26
It'll be some bullshit wrapper on something else. They'll ma...
Claret stag film fat ankles
  05/29/26
Absolutely this, people are delusional to think you are reac...
Bill Paxton and Paul Reiser in ALIENS
  09/01/26
...
harnessman
  09/01/26
just a chill 7 dollars per 1 dollar food court hot dog
Very tactful french psychic haunted graveyard
  05/28/26
Lmao $500 million isn’t gonna do shit. Westlaw tried s...
Cyan tanning salon
  05/29/26
probably worth them reaching out to a frontier lab and stipu...
scarlet rehab
  05/29/26
They could buy 5% of Anthropic right now with the same cash ...
Garnet garrison sex offender
  05/29/26
which would not quite solve their problem, but does indicate...
scarlet rehab
  05/29/26
It would if their problem is making more $
Garnet garrison sex offender
  05/29/26
Lawfirms don't have the money for that lol
contagious bawdyhouse
  05/29/26
That's like 4x Harvey's valuation which is already more over...
Garnet garrison sex offender
  05/29/26
Fucking savages on XO. They're just going to create a Kirkla...
vibrant lettuce
  05/29/26
an AI that is, on balance, in balance
ivory fantasy-prone gas station roast beef
  05/29/26
...
scarlet rehab
  05/29/26
100%
sooty degenerate
  05/29/26
This doesn't cost $500 million. By the way, they could do a...
sable excitant church
  05/30/26
For them to self-host their the LLM server for 800 users usi...
Iridescent azn
  05/30/26
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harnessman
  09/01/26
I thought this meant COSTCO Kirkland-brand AI
emerald appetizing locale karate
  05/29/26
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Ass Problems
  09/01/26
so ~570 equity partners voted to forego ~$900k each to inves...
Awkward athletic conference
  05/29/26
even scarier stuff for service partners rofl
ivory fantasy-prone gas station roast beef
  05/29/26
yeah i imagine the associates will all get cut and the servi...
Awkward athletic conference
  05/29/26
I think you mean the 1/3rd of the equity partners who surviv...
Dull soggy foreskin space
  05/29/26
This is Huge.
hyperactive box office mental disorder
  05/29/26
*creates dynamic pricing model to change the cost of Kirklan...
Vermilion jap dilemma
  05/29/26
JFC they’re not *actually doing this, it’s just ...
Carmine Razzmatazz Office
  05/29/26
that's all these announcements ever are and people keep fall...
Pearly rebellious resort main people
  05/29/26
Aren't you an Engineer? Can't you use it to Engineer shit be...
hyperactive box office mental disorder
  05/29/26
https://x.com/i/status/2060128889377304715
Iridescent azn
  05/29/26
nutella vindicated again. got her cute shoes and jumped ship
Misunderstood swashbuckling trailer park feces
  05/29/26
Soft-serve cones of scholarship getting extruded from Kirkla...
Startling stead sweet tailpipe
  05/29/26
Lmao funny we’re all lawyers and the first thing we th...
Cyan tanning salon
  05/30/26
This is over the next 3-4 years. They would have spent more ...
Jet learning disabled theater stage stock car
  05/29/26
They absolutely would not spend $125-$200 million/year on th...
sable excitant church
  05/30/26
I guess I can finally reveal to everyone that I work in bigl...
sooty degenerate
  05/29/26
No litigator AIs, please
Henna step-uncle's house tank
  05/29/26
why not spend $5 million on one? Or $50 million? Are you tel...
rambunctious opaque national roommate
  05/29/26
Or just pay for some premium ChatGPT up to date package for ...
Cyan tanning salon
  05/30/26
ChatGPT is shit, but Claude/Harvey (which is an overlay on C...
sable excitant church
  05/30/26
Whatever they are trying to do, the software is still in its...
Iridescent azn
  05/30/26
Claude is literally perfect. Investing even one cent in some...
.- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .
  09/01/26
my former firm, bottom-of-the-barrel "biglaw" firm...
the national labor relations act
  09/01/26
Don't care as long as their toilet paper stays cheap.
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  09/01/26


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Date: May 28th, 2026 10:22 PM
Author: Iridescent azn

How the fuck is there not a thread on this already?

https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/law-firm-kirkland-spend-500-million-developing-its-own-ai-platform-2026-05-28/

Just a chill $625k per lawyer going to Jensen Huang

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49905873)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 10:33 PM
Author: Blue Whorehouse Elastic Band

seems like a good indicator this profession is fucked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49905901)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 10:35 PM
Author: Iridescent azn

Uhh, it shows lawyers are more cash rich than Larry Ellison

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49905907)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 10:35 PM
Author: idiotic racy school

Kirkland ​said its platform would be designed based on information from 250 Kirkland lawyers ​and would involve more than 180 technology professionals inside and outside the firm.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49905906)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 10:36 PM
Author: Iridescent azn

Divide 500,000,000 by those numbers in your head

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49905910)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 11:27 AM
Author: territorial free-loading lodge pervert

LMFAO. How does it feel to be one of Kirkland’s like 4,000 other attorneys whose brains aren’t worthy of being digitized. What a fucking indictment, holy shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906516)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 11:29 AM
Author: Flushed beady-eyed native



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906522)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 11:48 AM
Author: ivory fantasy-prone gas station roast beef

au contraire. rainmaker share partners dont need their brians digitized. the service partners whose brains have now been digitized are now on the chopping block.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906546)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:47 PM
Author: territorial free-loading lodge pervert

Pity the derivatives, credit agreement, fund formation waterfall, and tax McKirkland “partners” who have each spent a 60K hours over the last 20 years grinding out the same repetitive 5.7/9.8 drafting and negotiation tasks who are getting digitized. And they’re terminally non-equity, so they’re not sharing in any of the upside of this shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906623)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:53 PM
Author: ivory fantasy-prone gas station roast beef

#All_Service_Partners: Report to conference room 42A on Monday at 9am so we can digitize your brain and fire you. Thank.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906635)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 1:03 PM
Author: Awkward athletic conference

but first they're going to wear google glasses for 6 months to record everything they do.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906658)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 1:05 PM
Author: ivory fantasy-prone gas station roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906663)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 1:02 PM
Author: Laughsome community account



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906654)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 3:49 PM
Author: snowy dead trump supporter house



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906829)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 11:26 PM
Author: Nighttime supple love of her life chapel

but dbg assured me he would be safe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906019)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 11:27 PM
Author: Iridescent azn

Does he work there with knowledge that partners were hoarding $500 million all this time?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906021)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 11:47 PM
Author: Infuriating Painfully Honest Chad

this makes no fucking sense at all. whoever makes the best general purpose AI model, will also make the best AI model for the law. it's not like kirkland will manage to make anything better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906055)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 11:51 PM
Author: Blue Whorehouse Elastic Band

they probably tried claude code and think they can do anything now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906060)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 11:52 PM
Author: Iridescent azn

https://x.com/i/status/2060128889377304715

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906064)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:03 PM
Author: Balding Depressive

Fucking 180

Claude, run a 50 State search for "summary judgment standard" thank

Now do the same task 800 times per week thank

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906570)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 1:09 PM
Author: Infuriating Painfully Honest Chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906673)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:35 PM
Author: Claret stag film fat ankles

It'll be some bullshit wrapper on something else. They'll market it as "The Kirkland Difference"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906605)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:23 PM
Author: Bill Paxton and Paul Reiser in ALIENS

Absolutely this, people are delusional to think you are reaching the frontier for $500m.

It will be a wrapper or something like post-training an open model

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#50108758)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:24 PM
Author: harnessman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#50108762)



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Date: May 28th, 2026 11:59 PM
Author: Very tactful french psychic haunted graveyard

just a chill 7 dollars per 1 dollar food court hot dog

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906074)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 11:31 AM
Author: Cyan tanning salon

Lmao $500 million isn’t gonna do shit. Westlaw tried some ai bullshit and it’s not as good as chat cpt

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906529)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 11:44 AM
Author: scarlet rehab

probably worth them reaching out to a frontier lab and stipulating:

-- "we want our own airgapped model specifically tuned and trained in the following ways"

-- "you won't have any ongoing compute cost for this because it'll be on our own hardware -- fire and forget revenue infusion for you"

-- "this isn't creating opportunity cost for you because we can't use your API model anyway due to client restrictions (e.g. IP litigation tech clients won't let any material be run through frontier LLMs)"

probably worth a pitch because AI niggers need MONEY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906543)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:22 PM
Author: Garnet garrison sex offender

They could buy 5% of Anthropic right now with the same cash based on its current market cap

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906593)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:45 PM
Author: scarlet rehab

which would not quite solve their problem, but does indicate that they could at least get a meeting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906619)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 9:51 PM
Author: Garnet garrison sex offender

It would if their problem is making more $

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907213)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 11:55 AM
Author: contagious bawdyhouse

Lawfirms don't have the money for that lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906555)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:16 PM
Author: Garnet garrison sex offender

That's like 4x Harvey's valuation which is already more overcooked than any SAAS provider in any industry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906583)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:34 PM
Author: vibrant lettuce

Fucking savages on XO. They're just going to create a Kirkland-specific wrapper on a third-party platform. They want to have more customization and in-house control over shit. They'll have it trained on more in-house work product. They'll be able to integrate with ediscovery vendors and the like. They'll solve some of the confidentiality concerns. It's not "inventing AI" or some dumb shit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906601)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:45 PM
Author: ivory fantasy-prone gas station roast beef

an AI that is, on balance, in balance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906618)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:46 PM
Author: scarlet rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906621)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 6:51 PM
Author: sooty degenerate

100%

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907043)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 3:51 PM
Author: sable excitant church

This doesn't cost $500 million. By the way, they could do all of this with a Harvey AI sub at a small fraction of the price. They could also create some customization for Claude and spend even less. The only way to spend $500 million on this is pure incompetence or theft.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907810)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 4:44 PM
Author: Iridescent azn

For them to self-host their the LLM server for 800 users using open weight models, with full time support staff, would be maybe $10mm yr tops. They could do it for $5 million/yr I bet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907840)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:09 PM
Author: harnessman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#50108696)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:36 PM
Author: emerald appetizing locale karate

I thought this meant COSTCO Kirkland-brand AI

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906607)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:11 PM
Author: Ass Problems



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#50108703)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:49 PM
Author: Awkward athletic conference

so ~570 equity partners voted to forego ~$900k each to invest in this. they must have ran the numbers and decided the potential associate savings were worth it. pretty scary stuff for young lawyers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906627)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:55 PM
Author: ivory fantasy-prone gas station roast beef

even scarier stuff for service partners rofl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906641)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 12:56 PM
Author: Awkward athletic conference

yeah i imagine the associates will all get cut and the service partners will be docked down to associate pay levels and the equity partners will fucking ball out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906643)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 2:59 PM
Author: Dull soggy foreskin space

I think you mean the 1/3rd of the equity partners who survive this will ball out even more than they already are balling out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906805)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 1:01 PM
Author: hyperactive box office mental disorder

This is Huge.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906653)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 1:05 PM
Author: Vermilion jap dilemma

*creates dynamic pricing model to change the cost of Kirkland brand Extra Virgin Olive Oil depending upon predicted customer behaviors*

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906662)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 3:19 PM
Author: Carmine Razzmatazz Office

JFC they’re not *actually doing this, it’s just advertising to dumbfuck GCs. They might as well have said $1 BILLION to be doubly impressive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906819)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 3:50 PM
Author: Pearly rebellious resort main people

that's all these announcements ever are and people keep falling for it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906832)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 6:47 PM
Author: hyperactive box office mental disorder

Aren't you an Engineer? Can't you use it to Engineer shit better.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907032)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 6:34 PM
Author: Iridescent azn

https://x.com/i/status/2060128889377304715

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907018)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 3:29 PM
Author: Misunderstood swashbuckling trailer park feces

nutella vindicated again. got her cute shoes and jumped ship

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906822)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 3:53 PM
Author: Startling stead sweet tailpipe

Soft-serve cones of scholarship getting extruded from Kirkland's AI law slop dispenser

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906841)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 1:56 PM
Author: Cyan tanning salon

Lmao funny we’re all lawyers and the first thing we thought of was Costco.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907711)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 4:00 PM
Author: Jet learning disabled theater stage stock car

This is over the next 3-4 years. They would have spent more than that on tokens and AI licenses anyway given the nature of their business. Not really news IMO.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49906858)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 3:54 PM
Author: sable excitant church

They absolutely would not spend $125-$200 million/year on this if they just went with an existing solution.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907815)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 6:49 PM
Author: sooty degenerate

I guess I can finally reveal to everyone that I work in biglaw.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907039)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 9:49 PM
Author: Henna step-uncle's house tank

No litigator AIs, please

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907209)



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Date: May 29th, 2026 10:01 PM
Author: rambunctious opaque national roommate

why not spend $5 million on one? Or $50 million? Are you telling me a team of 10 or so capable software engineers couldn’t build whatever Kirkland wants it to do for that much?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907238)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 1:57 PM
Author: Cyan tanning salon

Or just pay for some premium ChatGPT up to date package for everyone and tell them to use chat GPT.

Also I’m guessing we’re gonna start having shit like Kirkland Costco (powered by ChatGPT) very soon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907714)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 3:52 PM
Author: sable excitant church

ChatGPT is shit, but Claude/Harvey (which is an overlay on Claude) or Gemini are all fine. You can get enterprise subs with terms that will care for confidentiality concerns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907812)



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Date: May 30th, 2026 4:52 PM
Author: Iridescent azn

Whatever they are trying to do, the software is still in its infancy and no one has actually cured the hallucination problem, or the randomly-speaking-chinese problem, or the "it doesn't understand human psychology" problem. All of these platforms are still dogshit right now. They can't even OCR well. There are SAAS companies advertising cloud OCR platforms to law firms, and they brag that they do NOT use AI.

There's also no benefit to training an AI on client data vs transforming client data into vector databases. In fact it it's worse, because every time there's a new development you have to retrain the model, rather than just updating some vector database of client files. And vector databases cost nothing to deploy and maintain. This really looks like fake news to me and I don't understand why Kirkland announced this to Thomson Reuters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#49907842)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:12 PM
Author: .- .-. . .-. . .--. - .. .-.. .

Claude is literally perfect. Investing even one cent in something proprietary when Claude is already this good is just lighting money on fire.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#50108707)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:21 PM
Author: the national labor relations act ((zurich is stained))

my former firm, bottom-of-the-barrel "biglaw" firm baker hostetler, had some kind of automated "associate" several years ago, named "eric" or "bob" or something. no idea what it did, but given where the technology was back then it was probably laughably bad.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#50108747)



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Date: September 1st, 2026 12:23 PM
Author: "'"''""""'

Don't care as long as their toilet paper stays cheap.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5869753&forum_id=2#50108760)