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I didn't "consent" to be sexually attracted 2 women in the first place

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fighting crusty boiling water affirmative action
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the female gaze is rape.
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Boyish home
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the assertion in OP one-shots "modernity" as a pro...
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Date: October 7th, 2026 9:09 AM
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Date: October 7th, 2026 9:09 AM
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Date: October 7th, 2026 9:10 AM
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Date: October 7th, 2026 9:11 AM
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the female gaze is rape.

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Date: October 7th, 2026 9:18 AM
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Date: October 7th, 2026 9:22 AM
Author: fighting crusty boiling water affirmative action

the assertion in OP one-shots "modernity" as a project imo.

please flesh this out to 15-17,000 words for us thx

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Date: October 7th, 2026 9:53 AM
Author: Fracture in the Maidenhead (gunneratttt)

The Unconsented Gaze

Oct 7, 2026 ·

This essay argues that the modern consent framework - the dominant moral grammar governing relations between the sexes in the West - rests on an unexamined hinge proposition: that desire is something a sovereign, choosing subject does. But attraction is not done; it arrives. For the heterosexual man in particular it arrives constantly, visually, and prior to any act of will, and yet he is held morally responsible for its arrival as if he had signed for the package. Drawing on Sappho, Euripides' Hippolytus, Augustine's City of God, Schopenhauer's metaphysics of sexual love, Jung's anima, and the logic of the egalitarian ratchet, it traces how a non-consensual inner event came to be treated as a voluntary outer offense, how neoliberal feudalism farms that event for profit while the noetic commons shames it, and why the complaint of "unfairness" ultimately has no court in which it can be heard.

"Set me as a seal upon thine heart, as a seal upon thine arm: for love is strong as death; jealousy is cruel as the grave: the coals thereof are coals of fire, which hath a most vehement flame." - Song of Solomon 8:6

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." - Matthew 5:28

"Once again Eros the limb-loosener shakes me, that bittersweet, unmanageable creature, creeping in." - Sappho, fragment 130 (my own rough rendering)

Welcome back.

This post has been sitting in my drafts folder for the better part of a year, one of the sixty or so that I keep meaning to clean up and publish and then never quite do, because something more pressing - a Current Thing that refuses to be ignored, a book that demands a review, a stretch of my own psychic weather - always seems to cut in line. It is getting published now because of a small incident that happened a couple of weeks ago, and because the incident would not leave me alone. When something won't leave me alone, I've learned to treat that as the transcendent function knocking, and to open the door rather than pretend I'm not home.

Here is the incident. I was having lunch outdoors with an old friend and his wife - a pleasant couple, married about fifteen years, two kids, solidly upper-middle class, the kind of people who are doing everything right according to the script our society hands out. A young woman walked past our table. She was attractive in an unremarkable way, the way thousands of women in any American city are attractive on any given afternoon, and my friend's eyes followed her for perhaps a second and a half. Not a leer. Not a comment. Just the involuntary tracking motion that every heterosexual man reading this knows from the inside, the head-turn that happens before the man has decided anything at all.

His wife saw it. She didn't make a scene; she is not that type. She simply said, flatly, "Really?" And my friend - a successful guy, confident in most areas of his life - did something I found genuinely interesting. He apologized. Not a sarcastic apology, a real one, with the reddened face and the averted eyes of a man caught doing something wrong. Then, a beat later, almost under his breath, he added: "I didn't ask to notice her."

The conversation moved on. The waiter came by, the kids' soccer schedule was discussed, the check was split. But that half-sentence lodged in me like a splinter. I didn't ask to notice her. It is about as close to a perfect summary of a certain kind of male condition as I have ever heard, and it was offered up not as an argument but as a confession - as if the very fact of having had an experience he did not choose was itself the thing to be ashamed of.

Think about the structure of what happened there. An event occurred inside a man's perceptual apparatus. He did not initiate it. He did not consent to it. He could not have prevented it any more than he could have prevented his pupils from contracting in bright light. And yet within two seconds of that event he was standing - socially, morally, psychologically - in the dock, entering a guilty plea to a crime whose first and only act was performed on him, not by him.

That is what this post is about. The provocative way to state it is the title of the draft I've been sitting on: it is unfair that heterosexual men cannot consent to being attracted to women in the first place. The less provocative way to state it is that the consent framework which now governs almost every formal discussion of sex in the West has a blind spot at its very foundation - it begins its moral accounting one step too late. It asks whether a man had permission to act on his desire, which is a reasonable question. It never asks whether he had permission to have it, because the honest answer is that nobody does, ever, and that answer is destabilizing to the entire edifice. So instead the question is skipped, and the arrival of desire is quietly reclassified as a choice, and men are assigned responsibility for it as a matter of course.

A few disclaimers before we begin, because this topic is a minefield and I'd rather lay out the map than have readers step on mines I didn't place:

1. This is not an argument that men should act on whatever they feel. Consent to act is a different matter entirely, and nothing below argues against it. The distinction between the arrival of an impulse and the decision to act on that impulse is the whole point of this essay; collapsing the two is precisely the error I am criticizing.

2. This is not an incel post. I covered inceldom previously as the apex of nihilism, and I stand by that. Resentment toward women is a dead end - it is a projection of the problem outward onto the nearest available target, which is the opposite of what I am recommending. Women are not the authors of male desire any more than men are.

3. Women don't consent to their attractions either. This will be addressed directly in the Q&A section. The short version is that the condition is universal, but the visibility, frequency, and moral policing of the condition are highly asymmetric, and it is the asymmetry that I am calling unfair.

4. "Unfair" is itself a loaded word, and by the end of this essay I'm going to turn on it. Fairness presupposes a ledger, a referee, a court of appeal. Under the God-image I have articulated over the past year, there is no such court. So one could read this whole post as an extended exploration of a complaint that has nowhere to be filed. That is, I think, the honest place to land - but we have to walk the long road to get there.

This is going to be strange. Let's begin.

The Logic Chain

Before getting into the mythic, theological, and economic layers, I want to lay out the bare skeleton of the argument in numbered form, stripped of the narrative voice, so that readers can see exactly which claims depend on which and where they might want to push back. As with my earlier formal-logic post, "formal" here means numbered and explicit for the sake of traceability, not a claim to symbolic-logic rigor. If you disagree with the conclusion, you should be able to point to the specific premise where the chain breaks.

I. Premises regarding consent

P1. Consent, in the sense used by the modern West, is an act of a choosing subject. It presupposes (a) an agent who exists prior to the thing consented to, (b) a moment of deliberation, however brief, and (c) the genuine possibility of refusal. Where any of these three is absent, we do not speak of consent; we speak of something that happened to a person.

P2. The moral weight of an event in the consent framework is tied to whether the relevant party consented. Harm that was consented to (surgery, a boxing match, a hard workout) is not wrongdoing; harm that was not consented to is. Conversely, responsibility tracks consent as well: we hold people responsible for what they chose, and we excuse or at least mitigate responsibility for what merely happened to them.

P3. The consent framework is not just a legal standard. It has become the dominant moral grammar - the noetic commons - through which educated Westerners interpret relations between the sexes. It shapes HR trainings, college orientations, dating advice, television scripts, and the half-second judgment a wife makes at a lunch table.

II. Premises regarding attraction

P4. Sexual attraction, at the moment of its arising, is not chosen. It is a perceptual-affective event that occurs before any deliberation can take place. The man does not decide to find a woman attractive and then find her attractive; the finding comes first, and the deciding (if any) comes afterwards, about what to do with what has already been found.

P5. Because attraction precedes deliberation, it fails all three conditions in P1. There is no prior agent who stands apart from the attraction and approves it - the attraction is already in him when he first becomes aware of it. There is no moment of deliberation before it arises. And there is no genuine possibility of refusal at the level of arising: one can refuse to act, one can redirect attention, one can even train oneself over years to dampen certain responses, but one cannot refuse the first flicker.

P6. Therefore, no one consents to being attracted to anyone. Attraction is, in the strict sense of P1, something that happens to a person.

III. Premises regarding asymmetry

P7. Heterosexual male attraction is, on average, more visually triggered, more frequent, more promiscuous in its objects, and more outwardly legible (the head-turn, the lingering glance) than heterosexual female attraction. This is among the more robust findings in evolutionary psychology, and it is also something any honest man and most honest women will recognize from lived experience. Nothing in this premise requires that every man or every woman fits the average.

P8. Because male attraction is more frequent and more visible, the events of male attraction are far more often observed, commented upon, and judged by others than the events of female attraction.

P9. The prevailing moral grammar (P3) does not treat observed male attraction as something that happened to the man (P6). It treats it as something the man did - a "gaze," an "objectification," a "look," a small act of disrespect or even aggression. The vocabulary itself is telling: every one of these terms is a verb or a nominalized verb, something performed by an agent upon an object.

P10. Female attraction, being less visible, is far less often subject to this reclassification. When it is observed, it is more often treated neutrally or even positively (as evidence of a woman's healthy sexual agency, say, or as a compliment to the man).

IV. Conclusions

C1. (From P2, P6, P9) Heterosexual men are routinely assigned moral responsibility for an event they did not and could not consent to. This violates the internal logic of the consent framework itself, which elsewhere excuses people from responsibility for what merely happens to them.

C2. (From P7, P8, P10) This misassignment of responsibility falls disproportionately on men, not because men are more guilty, but because their non-consensual inner events are more frequent and more visible.

C3. (From C1, C2) The arrangement is unfair in the plain sense: men bear a moral cost for an involuntary condition that the same moral framework would excuse in any other context, and they bear it at a much higher rate than women bear the equivalent cost for the equivalent condition.

C4. (Provisional, to be revisited at the end) The complaint in C3 presupposes some court or ledger in which fairness could be adjudicated and the imbalance corrected. Whether such a court exists is a question about the God-image, not about the consent framework, and the answer to it will change what C3 actually means.

That's the skeleton. A couple of quick notes on it before we put flesh on the bones.

First, notice that nothing in the chain requires any contested political claim. You don't have to be on the right to accept P4 through P6; you just have to have been alive and attracted to someone. You don't have to accept any particular evolutionary account to accept P7; you just have to have spent time around men and women and paid attention. The premise most likely to provoke resistance is P9, because it implicates the moral reflexes of the reader, and the moral reflexes of the reader are exactly what the noetic commons has trained. The vocabulary of "the gaze" is so deeply woven into educated speech that it no longer registers as vocabulary at all; it registers as a description of reality. That is how egregores maintain themselves - by making their grammar invisible to the people speaking it.

Second, notice where the chain is not going. It is not going toward "therefore anything goes," nor toward "therefore women are to blame." C1 and C2 are claims about a misassignment of responsibility, not about the absence of responsibility. A man remains fully responsible for what he does with an attraction once it has arrived - whether he stares, comments, pursues, harasses, or betrays. The argument is narrower and, I think, harder to dismiss: that the moral accounting begins one step too early, at the arrival rather than the response, and that this early start lands disproportionately on one sex.

Third, the most interesting premise in the whole chain may be the one that seems most obvious: P4. Almost no one disputes it when it is stated plainly. And yet almost everyone acts, speaks, and judges as if it were false. Why? Why would an entire civilization maintain a moral grammar that contradicts something every adult knows from direct experience? That gap - between what we know and what our moral language permits us to say - is where the rest of this essay lives. It turns out the gap is very old. The Greeks saw it clearly and gave it a face; the Christians saw it clearly and gave it a sin; the moderns pretend not to see it at all, and gave it a training module.

Let's start with the Greeks, because they were the last people in the West who were honest about it.

Aphrodite Does Not Ask

E.R. Dodds opens The Greeks and the Irrational (1951), a book I've mentioned in Notes a couple of times recently and which I consider essential reading for anyone trying to understand the pre-Christian psyche, with a scene from the nineteenth book of the Iliad. Agamemnon, having stolen Achilles' prize Briseis and thereby nearly destroyed the Greek army, finally makes his apology. But it is a strange apology by modern standards. He says, in effect: it was not I who did this. Zeus and Fate and the Erinys who walks in darkness put a wild blindness - atē - into his mind on that day. He will pay compensation, yes. He accepts the consequences. But he does not accept that the impulse originated with him.

Dodds's point is that we moderns read this as a cheap evasion, the ancient equivalent of "the devil made me do it," but that this reading is anachronistic. For Homeric man, a sudden and overwhelming passion, an idea that came from nowhere, a flash of recognition or a fit of rage - these were experienced as psychic interventions by external powers, and the language for them was religious because the experience of them was genuinely one of being acted upon. The modern idea that every inner event is authored by a unified self - that "I" am the source of whatever arises in "my" mind - simply hadn't been invented yet. And, Dodds suggests, there is something phenomenologically honest about the older view that the newer one lost.

There is no domain where this is more obvious than erotic attraction. The Greeks did not say "I am attracted to her." They said that Aphrodite had struck, that Eros had loosened the limbs, that the goddess had cast desire into the heart like a spear. The grammar locates the agency outside the man. He is the patient of the verb, not its subject.

Sappho and the symptoms

Sappho is the great early phenomenologist of this condition, and what is striking about her surviving fragments is how involuntary she makes everything sound. In the famous fragment 31 - the one Longinus preserved because he thought it a perfect example of the sublime - she watches a woman she loves laughing with a man, and her body simply breaks down: her tongue fails, a thin fire runs under her skin, her eyes stop seeing, her ears ring, sweat pours over her, trembling seizes her whole body, and she feels she is little short of dying. Nowhere in the poem does Sappho decide anything. She is a site where things happen. The poem is a list of symptoms, like a medical chart of a fever she did not catch on purpose.

And in fragment 130, quoted at the top of this post, Eros is a creature - an animal, unmanageable, something that creeps in. Bittersweet: the first recorded use of that word in the West, as far as we know, comes from Sappho describing a force that does not ask permission. If you want a single image to hold in your mind for the rest of this essay, hold that one: a small, bittersweet animal that gets in under the door whether you've locked it or not.

Now, Sappho was a woman, and her desire was directed at women. I mention this because I don't want anyone to think the Greek insight was a male special pleading. It was universal. The goddess struck whom she pleased. What the Greeks did not do was hold the struck party morally responsible for the strike itself.

Gorgias and Helen

The clearest statement of this is in Gorgias's Encomium of Helen, a short rhetorical showpiece from the late fifth century BC. The question Gorgias sets himself is whether Helen can be blamed for running off to Troy with Paris and thereby causing the Trojan War, which was the standard Greek example of catastrophic female misconduct. His answer is that she cannot be blamed, and his argument is basically a decision tree. Either she went because of the will of the gods and necessity; or because she was taken by force; or because she was persuaded by speech; or because she was overcome by love. If gods and necessity, she is blameless, since a mortal cannot resist a god. If force, she is a victim. If persuasion, the persuader is to blame, because speech is a mighty lord that works on the soul like a drug on the body. And if love - if Eros, being a god, possessed her - then again she cannot be blamed, because love is either a divine power that no human can resist or a sickness of the soul, and in neither case is it a sin.

Gorgias called the speech his paignion, his plaything, and scholars still argue about how seriously he meant it. But notice what it assumes. It assumes that if desire arrives rather than being chosen, then the person in whom it arrived is not culpable for its arrival. That is the exact premise - my P2 plus P6 - that the modern West quietly refuses to apply to heterosexual men. A sophist in Athens in roughly 415 BC was willing to extend this logic to the most notorious adulteress in Greek mythology. A modern wife at a lunch table is not willing to extend it to her husband's one-and-a-half-second glance. Something has changed, and it is not that we have discovered desire to be voluntary after all.

Hippolytus, or the man who refused

I reviewed Euripides' Hippolytus in Notes a couple of months ago and called it an inferior product compared to his Heracles and The Bacchae, mostly because the tragedy felt undermined by the stubbornness of its title character. Writing this post forced me to go back and reread it, and I think I may owe Euripides an apology. The stubbornness is the point.

Here is the setup, for those who haven't read it. The play opens with Aphrodite herself on stage delivering the prologue, and what she says is chilling in its candor. Hippolytus, the bastard son of Theseus, has devoted himself to the virgin huntress Artemis and refuses to honor Aphrodite. He calls her the worst of the gods. He will have nothing to do with sex or marriage. Aphrodite tells the audience, flatly, that she will punish him for this today. She has already set the instrument in motion: she has made his stepmother Phaedra fall violently in love with him. Phaedra, Aphrodite admits, will die in the process - but, the goddess says with complete indifference, Phaedra's suffering does not matter more to her than taking vengeance on her enemies.

Sit with that for a moment. The gods of love in the Greek imagination are not benevolent. They are not even fair. Aphrodite destroys an innocent woman as collateral damage in order to punish a man for the crime of declining her. Hippolytus, in other words, is the one character in Greek literature who attempts to withhold consent from desire itself - who says, in effect, "I do not agree to be ruled by this force" - and the play is the record of what that refusal costs him. He is torn apart by his own horses, dragged over the rocks, cursed by his own father. The refusal of Aphrodite is not treated as a virtue that the cosmos rewards. It is treated as hubris that the cosmos punishes.

And Phaedra? Phaedra is arguably the most sympathetic figure in the play, because she fights. In one of the great speeches in Greek tragedy, she describes to the chorus how she tried to defeat the love that had been forced on her. First she tried silence, hiding the sickness from everyone. Then she tried self-mastery, bearing it with good sense and willpower. When neither worked, she resolved to die rather than act on it. She did everything a modern ethicist would ask. She never acted on her desire. And it destroyed her anyway, because the desire was not hers to dispose of. Her nurse betrays her secret, Hippolytus recoils in disgust, and in shame and fury she hangs herself, leaving behind a lying letter accusing him of rape that sets the rest of the catastrophe in motion.

At the end of the play, Artemis appears and explains everything to the dying Hippolytus and his devastated father. And her explanation is perhaps the most Abraxian moment in all of Greek drama: it is the custom among the gods, she says, that none of them opposes the will of another. She could not save him. She will take revenge on Aphrodite later, by killing some mortal Aphrodite loves. That's it. That's the cosmic justice on offer. No ledger, no court, no restitution - just one power trading blows with another, with human beings as the medium of exchange.

I find this play almost unbearable now, and I suspect it's because it puts the modern consent framework in a sharp light. Hippolytus is the consent framework taken to its logical extreme in a single man: a person who insists that nothing shall enter him that he has not authorized. And Phaedra is the consent framework's ideal subject on the female side: a person who, when something entered her that she had not authorized, did everything right and refused to act. Both of them are destroyed. Euripides seems to be saying that the attempt to stand outside the power of desire - to treat it as something one can simply decline - is a category error that the structure of reality will not tolerate.

What the Greeks knew

I don't want to romanticize the Greeks. They had their own brutalities, and the arrangement between the sexes in classical Athens was not one I would recommend restoring. But on this narrow question they were more honest than we are. They saw clearly that erotic attraction is something that happens to a person, that it comes from outside the ego, that it is in a meaningful sense a god acting upon a mortal - and therefore that it is absurd to hold the mortal responsible for the god's arrival. Responsibility, for the Greeks, attached to what you did after the god arrived: whether you honored it, how you bore it, whether you brought catastrophe on your house. Agamemnon paid compensation. Phaedra chose death over action. Helen was debated. But no one blamed the person for being struck.

In my own framework, the Greek gods are best understood as heuristic interfaces for energies that cannot be identified with directly - Aphrodite is the face we put on a particular current of the psyche, the way Saturn is the face we put on limitation and Dionysus on dissolution. Using the mythic language does not commit one to literal belief in a woman rising from sea foam. What it commits one to is the phenomenological truth that the ego is not the source of everything that moves through it. The Greeks had a grammar for that truth. We lost it.

The Stoics and the first movements

Before leaving the ancient world, I want to mention one more school, because they came closest of anyone to articulating the distinction this essay depends on, and they did it using - remarkably - the language of consent.

The Stoics built their entire ethics around a concept they called synkatathesis, usually translated as "assent." Their theory of mind went roughly like this. The world presents us constantly with impressions (phantasiai): a sight, a sound, a thought, an appearance of something as good or bad, desirable or fearful. These impressions are not up to us. They simply arrive. What is up to us is whether we assent to them - whether we accept the impression as true and act on it, or withhold assent and let it pass. Epictetus opens his Enchiridion with the famous division between the things that are up to us and the things that are not, and the arrival of impressions falls squarely on the side of the things that are not. Virtue, for the Stoics, lives entirely in the assent.

This is, in effect, a two-stage theory of consent, and it maps almost perfectly onto my premises. The impression of a woman as desirable arrives; that is not chosen and not blameworthy. The assent to that impression - the decision to dwell on it, to follow it, to act on it - is chosen and fully the man's responsibility. A Stoic would have found the modern collapse of the two stages as baffling as a modern ethicist would find the Greek attribution of desire to Aphrodite.

Seneca makes the point even more precisely in On Anger. He distinguishes between the full passion of anger, which requires the mind's assent, and certain involuntary first movements (later commentators called them propatheiai, pre-passions) that strike even the wisest person without any assent at all: the shiver when cold water is splashed on you, the instinctive recoil from certain touches, the hair standing up at bad news, the blush at indecent words, the dizziness when looking down from a height. These, he says, are not passions. They are not vices. They are the body's preliminaries, and the wise man is not exempt from them. He is distinguished only by what he does next.

The best illustration I know of this comes from Aulus Gellius's Attic Nights, in a story I've always loved. Gellius describes a sea voyage during which a violent storm nearly sank the ship. On board was a well-known Stoic philosopher, and Gellius noticed that during the worst of the storm the philosopher turned pale and looked frightened, just like everyone else. When the storm passed, a wealthy and rather smug passenger mocked him for it: so much for Stoic imperturbability. The philosopher took out a book of Epictetus's teachings and showed Gellius a passage explaining that even the wise man's mind is momentarily struck by terrifying impressions - he goes pale, his heart lurches - not because he judges the danger to be real, but because the impression arrives faster than reason. The difference between the wise man and the fool is not that the wise man feels nothing. It is that the fool assents to the impression and the wise man does not.

Now put the man at my lunch table on that ship. His head turned; his face colored when caught. These are Seneca's first movements, the philosopher's pale face in the storm. A Stoic watching the scene would have said that nothing morally significant had yet occurred. The only question worth asking is what he did with the impression once it had arrived, and the answer, in this case, was that he went back to his salad. By the standards of one of the most demanding ethical traditions in human history, my friend behaved impeccably. By the standards of the modern noetic commons, he committed a small offense and owed an apology.

The Stoics were not libertines; quite the opposite. Their ethics was so strict that it demanded the extirpation of the passions altogether. Yet even they, at their most demanding, never held a man responsible for the arrival of an impression. That restraint was not leniency. It was accuracy about how minds work. Two thousand years later, with vastly more knowledge of neuroscience and psychology at our disposal, we have somehow become less accurate.

Who took it away? It's a longer story than you might think, and the key figure in it is a North African bishop who was, by his own account, more tormented by involuntary desire than almost anyone who ever lived.

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Date: October 7th, 2026 9:54 AM
Author: Fracture in the Maidenhead (gunneratttt)

Augustine and the Disobedient Member

In my post on Augustine's Confessions earlier this year I read him against his own intent, as the definitive case study of a psyche that could not bear the crucifixion of opposites internally and therefore offloaded it onto a cosmic authority - a redemptive God-image that promised to resolve the tension he could not resolve himself. I want to return to him here, because his struggle with exactly the phenomenon this essay is about is so vivid, so honest, and so consequential that it shaped the moral grammar of the West for fifteen hundred years and continues to shape it now, long after most people have stopped believing in the God he offloaded onto.

Everyone knows the line from Book VIII: give me chastity and continence, but not yet. It's usually quoted as a joke about procrastination. It is actually a cry from a man who knew, from the inside, that his will was not the master of his desire. He had kept a concubine for over a decade; she bore him a son. When his mother arranged a respectable marriage for him, the concubine was sent back to Africa, and Augustine describes his heart as torn and wounded and bleeding. And then, while waiting two years for his young fiancée to come of age, he immediately took another mistress, because, as he admits with appalling honesty, he was not a lover of marriage but a slave of lust. The word he uses again and again is consuetudo - habit - which he describes as a chain, forged link by link, binding a will that wanted to be free and could not free itself.

This is a man who did not consent to his desires and knew it. The question is what he did with that knowledge.

The punishment that fits the crime

The answer is in Book XIV of The City of God, which I consider one of the most psychologically revealing texts ever written by a Christian theologian, and which almost nobody outside of seminaries reads anymore. In it, Augustine asks a question that sounds bizarre to modern ears but follows directly from his theology: what would sex have been like in Eden, if Adam and Eve had never fallen?

His answer is that it would have been voluntary. In paradise, he argues, the organs of generation would have been moved by the will exactly as a hand or a foot is moved, calmly, without the turbulent heat of lust. A man would have sown his seed the way a farmer sows a field - deliberately, peacefully, by choice. To make this seem less absurd, Augustine assembles a strange little catalogue of human beings who can control parts of their bodies that most people cannot: men who can move their ears one at a time, or wiggle their scalp, or sweat on command, or (I am not making this up) produce musical sounds from their posterior. If such people exist even now, he reasons, then surely the unfallen Adam could have governed his generative member by pure will.

And then comes the key move. After the fall, Augustine says, this changed. The member no longer obeys the will. It is moved by lust, which arises when it pleases and fails to arise when it is wanted, sometimes rebelling against a man's wishes to remain chaste and sometimes refusing his wishes to engender a child. Augustine finds this humiliating, and he finds the humiliation fitting. Man disobeyed God; therefore his own flesh now disobeys him. The punishment matches the crime. This, he argues, is why human beings are ashamed of sex and conduct it in private: not because the act is evil in itself, but because it is the place where the rebellion of the body against the will is most visible, the place where every man is forced to confront the fact that something in him does not take orders.

Read that carefully, because it is the exact inverse of the Greek position. The Greeks said: the arrival of desire is a god acting on you, and therefore you are not to blame for its arrival. Augustine says: the arrival of desire without your consent is itself the mark of your guilt. The involuntariness is not an excuse. It is the evidence. The fact that you did not choose it proves that you are fallen, and the fallenness is yours, inherited from Adam and borne in your own body. The very non-consent that would exculpate you under any ordinary moral logic is reinterpreted as the sign of a deeper, prior consent - Adam's sin, in which you are mysteriously implicated - that condemns you.

This is one of the most brilliant and most destructive moves in the history of Western thought, and I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that every man who has ever blushed at being caught looking is still living inside it.

What Jesus actually said

It's worth pausing on Matthew 5:28, the second epigraph at the top of this post, because it is usually read through Augustine's eyes and therefore usually misread. In the King James rendering it says that whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery in his heart. The Greek construction is pros to epithymēsai - which most commentators take to express purpose: looking in order to desire, looking with the intent of cultivating the desire. On its plain reading, then, the saying is about the man who takes the arrival of attraction and feeds it, who turns the involuntary glance into a deliberate dwelling. That is a demanding ethic, but it is not an incoherent one. It is an ethic about the response, not the arrival. It is closer to my own position than to Augustine's.

But that is not how it was received. Filtered through the Augustinian lens, the saying became a condemnation of the glance itself, and of the involuntary movement of desire that the glance reveals. Generations of Christian men were taught to regard the first flicker as already a sin, to confess it, to be ashamed of it, to treat their own unbidden attractions as evidence of corruption. One of the more famous modern examples is Jimmy Carter's 1976 Playboy interview, in which he admitted that he had looked on a lot of women with lust and had committed adultery in his heart many times. The media treated it as a gaffe. It was actually a perfectly orthodox Augustinian confession from a sincerely devout man: a confession of guilt for something that, by his own account, had never left the inside of his head.

Privatio boni and the projection of the shadow

Why did Augustine make this move? I discussed the general structure in my Augustine post, but it's worth applying specifically here.

The privatio boni - Augustine's doctrine that God is wholly good and that evil is merely the absence of good, with no substance of its own - places enormous pressure on the psyche that holds it. If God is all good and created everything, then the turbulent, involuntary, uncontrollable force of sexual desire cannot have come from God in its present form. It must be a corruption, a privation, a falling-away. And since God cannot be blamed, the blame must go somewhere else. Augustine sends it to Adam, and through Adam to every man.

In Jungian terms, this is a textbook case of the shadow being split off and projected. The energy that Aphrodite once represented - an energy that is neither good nor evil but simply is, part of the totality - cannot be admitted into an all-good God-image. So it is pushed out of heaven and lodged in the human body, specifically in the male body, whose arousal is visible in a way that female arousal is not. The man's own flesh becomes the designated container for the cosmic tension that the God-image refused to hold. He is asked to bear, as personal guilt, an energy that the Greeks had honestly attributed to a goddess.

And notice the asymmetry already appearing. Augustine's paradigm case of the disobedient body is the male member. He discusses female desire, of course - he is not unaware that women experience lust - but his central image, the one he returns to, is the organ that rises or fails to rise against the will, and that organ is male. Female arousal could be hidden; male arousal, in the imagination of a fourth-century bishop, was the visible sign of the fall itself. The asymmetry I described in P7 through P10 was not invented by twentieth-century feminism. It was baked into the theology at the foundation.

The inheritance

Here is where I want to connect this to something I've argued for years: the egalitarian ratchet, and the observation (which Tom Holland makes eloquently in Dominion) that secular Westerners are still Christians in their metaphysics even when they have stopped believing in God. The same holds for the Augustinian treatment of desire. The modern progressive who would never dream of quoting The City of God has nonetheless inherited its core structure intact. The male glance is still treated as a moral event. The involuntary arrival of attraction is still treated as evidence of something wrong with the man. The vocabulary has changed - "concupiscence" has become "the male gaze," "sin" has become "objectification," "confession" has become "doing the work" - but the structure has not. The shadow is still split off and still lodged in the male body. The only difference is that Augustine at least offered grace as a solution, a cosmic authority that could forgive what the will could not prevent. The secular version keeps the guilt and drops the grace.

That, I think, is the deepest root of the unfairness. It is not that modern women are uniquely harsh, or that feminism invented a new double standard. It is that the West took a theological move designed to protect an all-good God-image from contamination by the totality, kept the move after discarding the God, and has been running it on autopilot ever since. Men are blamed for the arrival of desire because, fifteen hundred years ago, someone needed desire's arrival to be blameworthy in order to keep heaven clean.

But Augustine is a theologian, and theologians can be argued with. The next figure we need to consider is a philosopher who, fourteen centuries later, looked at the same phenomenon without any God-image to protect, and concluded that the situation was far worse than Augustine had imagined.

The Genius of the Species

Arthur Schopenhauer is the great unsentimental philosopher of desire, and his chapter on "The Metaphysics of Sexual Love" in the second volume of The World as Will and Representation (1844) is, in my view, the single most important text for anyone who wants to think clearly about the subject of this essay. I first read it in my twenties and thought it was the bitter grumbling of a lifelong bachelor who had been rejected a few too many times (which, to be fair, it partly is - Schopenhauer's physiognomy is exactly what you would expect it to be). I reread it in my forties and found it to be one of the most accurate descriptions of lived experience I have ever encountered.

Schopenhauer's argument is roughly as follows. Beneath the world of appearances there is a blind, striving, insatiable force he calls the Will - not the will of any individual person, but the will-to-live that drives all of nature, from the growth of crystals to the hunger of animals. The individual is merely a temporary manifestation of this Will, and the individual's sense of choosing what he wants is largely an illusion; he wants what the Will wants through him and then tells himself a story about having chosen it.

Nowhere is this clearer than in sexual love. When a man falls for a woman, Schopenhauer says, he experiences it as the most personal and individual thing in the world: this woman, her eyes, her laugh, a destiny written for him alone. But what is actually happening is that the "genius of the species" is using him. The species has an interest in the composition of the next generation, and it pursues that interest by implanting in the individual an overwhelming illusion of personal desire, which drives him to pursue a particular partner with whom the combination of traits would be favorable. The lover thinks he is pursuing his own happiness. In fact he is a tool of the species, and his happiness is beside the point - often, Schopenhauer notes drily, the matches that the species most wants are the ones least likely to make the individuals happy.

This is why, he says, love is treated in all the literature of the world as the most serious of matters, capable of driving men to ruin and murder and suicide. It is not because two individuals matter so much. It is because what is being decided, in every love affair, is the existence and constitution of the next generation, and the species takes that more seriously than it takes any single life.

What I want to draw out of Schopenhauer for the purposes of this essay is the following: he denies that there is any "I" standing prior to desire who could consent to it. The individual is not the author of his attractions; he is their product, a precipitate of the Will. To ask whether a man consents to being attracted to a woman is, in Schopenhauer's framework, like asking whether a river consents to running downhill. The question cannot be posed, because the one who would answer it is already the current.

And unlike Augustine, Schopenhauer offers no Eden in which things were otherwise and no grace by which they might be redeemed. His only proposed exit is the ascetic denial of the Will - a path he admired and did not follow (he kept dogs, ate well, and had a number of affairs). There is no court of appeal here, either. There is only the Will, which wants what it wants and wears us like gloves.

What the evolutionary record says

Schopenhauer wrote fifteen years before Darwin's Origin of Species and nearly thirty before The Descent of Man, but his intuition about the genius of the species turned out to be, in broad outline, the shape of what evolutionary biology would later describe in mechanistic terms. I reviewed Brett Andersen's evolutionary psychology YouTube series a few years ago, and while I disagreed with his attempt to derive objective meaning from Darwinian premises, his summary of the science is solid and I'll lean on that kind of material here.

The key insight comes from Robert Trivers' 1972 theory of parental investment. In species where one sex invests far more in each offspring than the other - in mammals, that is almost always the female, who bears the cost of gestation and lactation - the two sexes face very different reproductive economics. The sex that invests more becomes the choosier sex, because each reproductive decision is expensive. The sex that invests less becomes the more competitive and the more indiscriminate sex, because each additional mating opportunity is cheap and potentially valuable. Applied to humans, the prediction is that men will, on average, be attracted to a wider range of partners, more quickly, on the basis of more immediately visible cues, while women will, on average, be more selective and more attentive to cues of long-term investment and status that are not visible at a glance.

This prediction has held up remarkably well. David Buss's famous 1989 study of mate preferences across 37 cultures found that men in every culture sampled placed more weight on physical attractiveness and youth, and women placed more weight on resources and status - with the differences appearing on six continents and five islands, under every political and religious arrangement. A substantial body of laboratory work (Rupp and Wallen's 2008 review in Archives of Sexual Behavior is a good entry point) has found that men's responses to visual sexual stimuli are on average stronger and faster than women's. None of this means every man is the same or every woman is the same - these are distributions with substantial overlap - but the averages are about as robust as anything in the behavioral sciences.

The implication for the argument of this essay is direct. The male attraction system was built, over millions of years, precisely to fire before deliberation. Its entire evolutionary value lies in its speed and its automaticity: a male who had to reason his way to noticing a fertile female would have been outcompeted by one who simply noticed. Deliberation is slow and expensive; perception is fast and cheap. So the system that the genius of the species installed in men is a system optimized for the very thing the consent framework treats as a moral failing: rapid, involuntary, visual registration of attractive women, many times a day, regardless of whether the man is single, married, celibate, a monk, or a feminist studies professor.

We can go further. Modern cognitive science increasingly describes perception itself as a predictive process - the brain generating a model of the world and using sensory input mostly to correct its errors, rather than building a picture from scratch (I've leaned on Andy Clark's work on this in describing the God-image as a regulatory architecture). Under this view, attraction is not even something that happens after seeing; it is partly built into the seeing, a weighting of salience that determines what gets noticed in the first place. The head turns because the prior said this matters before the conscious mind had any say in the matter. The experiments that are often cited here, such as Benjamin Libet's famous work on the timing of conscious intention, remain hotly contested and I don't want to put too much weight on them. But one doesn't need Libet to grasp the general point. The arrival of attraction is upstream of the self that the consent framework addresses.

The double bind

So here is the situation of the heterosexual man, stated in the flattest terms I can manage.

He has been built - by the Will, by the genius of the species, by several million years of sexual selection, call it what you like - to notice women automatically, frequently, and visually. This was not his idea. He was not consulted. No one handed him a terms-of-service agreement at puberty. One day, somewhere around the age of twelve or thirteen, the system switched on and it has not switched off since, and for most men it will not switch off until age or illness turns it down, decades from now.

At the same time, he lives in a civilization whose moral grammar - inherited from Augustine, secularized by the egalitarian ratchet, and enforced by the noetic commons - treats the visible output of that system as a moral event for which he is responsible. He is expected to have a body built by the genius of the species and a conscience built by the privatio boni, and to experience no friction between them. When friction appears, as it inevitably does, the fault is located in him.

This is what I mean when I say the condition is a crucifixion. Not in the melodramatic sense - most men live with it calmly enough, the way one lives with a bad knee - but in the precise sense I've developed over the past year: a permanent tension between two opposites that cannot be reconciled, both of which are real, neither of which can be eliminated. On one side, the Will; on the other, the conscience. On one side, Aphrodite; on the other, Augustine. The man is stretched between them, and the stretching is not his fault.

The question that follows is: why has the modern West intensified the conscience side of this tension, even as it has abandoned the religion that originally justified it? The answer, I think, is the egalitarian ratchet.

The Egalitarian Ratchet Reaches the Bedroom

For new readers: the egalitarian ratchet effect is the idea that the core value at the heart of Western civilization - egalitarianism, inherited from Christianity's "the last shall be first" - does not sit still but intensifies over time, finding new domains to level and new hierarchies to flatten. It moved from the spiritual equality of souls before God in Rome, to economic equality in the French and Russian revolutions, to racial equality in the civil rights era, to gender and sexual-orientation equality in our own time. Opposition to any particular step tends to fail because it does not address the underlying value that drives the whole sequence. I've written about this at length; the relevant point here is where the ratchet goes when it runs out of public domains to level.

It goes inside. It goes into the bedroom, and then it goes into the head.

A short history of consent

The modern affirmative-consent standard is younger than most people realize. In 1991, Antioch College in Ohio adopted a Sexual Offense Prevention Policy requiring verbal consent at each new level of physical intimacy - not just at the start of an encounter, but at every escalation. The policy was widely mocked at the time; Saturday Night Live ran a sketch in 1993 featuring a game show called "Is It Date Rape?" in which contestants had to request permission for each successive act in exaggeratedly bureaucratic language. The joke was that no one actually conducts romance this way.

Twenty-one years later, in 2014, California passed SB 967, the so-called "yes means yes" law, requiring colleges that receive state funding to adopt an affirmative-consent standard. New York followed in 2015. What was a punchline in 1993 was state policy by 2014. This is the ratchet in miniature: the position that was unthinkable becomes radical, then progressive, then mainstream, then mandatory, and anyone who still finds it absurd is now the punchline.

I want to be careful here. Much of what the consent movement addressed was real. There were and are men who treat women as objects to be taken, and a clear standard for action is not a bad thing. My argument is not with consent to act. It is with what happened next, as the ratchet continued past the point of action and into the territory of perception.

From action to gaze

The term "male gaze" was coined by the film theorist Laura Mulvey in a 1975 essay, "Visual Pleasure and Narrative Cinema," which argued that classical Hollywood films were structured around a heterosexual male viewer looking at women as objects of erotic spectacle. It was an academic argument about camera angles and narrative structure in a specific body of films. Nobody in 1975 could have predicted that within two generations the phrase would migrate out of film theory, through women's studies departments, into journalism, HR departments, and ordinary conversation, where it now denotes not a cinematic convention but a moral offense committed by individual men with their eyes.

This is a perfect example of how the ratchet works. A concept designed to criticize a representation - a filmmaker's choice of where to put the camera - becomes a concept that criticizes a perception. The man in the restaurant is not a director. He has not framed a shot. He has simply had the experience that the genius of the species installed in him, and his head has turned. But because the vocabulary of the gaze already exists, his perception can now be described as a kind of act, an imposition, a looking-at that does something to the woman looked at. Once it can be described that way, it can be judged that way. And once it can be judged, it will be.

The egalitarian logic underneath this is not hard to reconstruct. If men and women are equal, then men's desire for women and women's desire for men should be symmetrical in form. But they are visibly not symmetrical: male desire is more visual, more immediate, more frequent, more legible in the body (P7). In an egalitarian moral grammar, asymmetry cannot be accepted as a natural fact; it must be explained as an injustice. And so the visibly greater intensity of male visual attraction is reinterpreted not as a difference but as a dominance - the gaze as an exercise of power. The fact that men cannot help it becomes irrelevant, because the ratchet is not asking whether men can help it. It is asking whether the outcome is equal, and finding that it is not.

Consent culture as egregore

In my post on the egregore and the God-image I described egregores as collective regulatory architectures: feedback loops of shared attention that form around a symbolic object and then exert back-pressure on the individuals who participate in them, pushing their private God-images toward conformity with the collective form. An egregore maintains itself through micro-rituals of speech and judgment, small signals that reinforce the shared attention pattern and penalize deviation.

Consent culture is an egregore in exactly this sense. Its symbolic object is the sovereign, autonomous, consenting subject, a self who chooses everything that enters it. Its rituals include the trainings, the orientations, the think-pieces, the social-media call-outs, and the countless private moments like the one at my lunch table. Its back-pressure is shame. And because an egregore must protect its symbolic object from contradiction, it cannot tolerate the observation at the center of this essay: that there is one thing - attraction itself - that enters every subject without its consent. To admit that would be to admit that the sovereign consenting self is, at the very root of erotic life, a fiction. So the egregore does what egregores do with threatening data. It reclassifies it. The involuntary arrival of attraction is redescribed as a voluntary act (the gaze), and then the person in whom it arrived is held responsible for the act.

Notice that this move protects the female subject's sovereignty at the expense of the male subject's. A woman who is looked at has had something done to her without her consent - her image entered a man's perception and was registered as desirable. That is framed as a violation. A man who looked has also had something done to him without his consent - desire entered his perception and turned his head. That is not framed as a violation at all, because it cannot be framed that way without exposing the fiction. So the egregore picks one of the two non-consensual events, names it a wrong, and assigns the other party as the wrongdoer. Two people are acted upon by the same impersonal force; one is designated the victim and the other the perpetrator.

The creep problem

There is a further asymmetry here that I find even more revealing, because it exposes the inegalitarianism hiding at the center of the egalitarian ratchet.

The same glance, from two different men, is not judged the same way. From a man the woman finds attractive, a lingering look may be received as flattering, even exciting - it is "chemistry." From a man she does not find attractive, the identical look is "creepy." There is a small research literature on the psychology of creepiness (McAndrew and Koehnke's 2016 survey study is the one usually cited), and its findings line up with what everyone already knows: men are far more likely than women to be perceived as creepy, and the perception tracks features of the man - his appearance, his social awkwardness, his perceived status - rather than the content of anything he actually did.

Think about what this means in the context of the argument so far. The man did not consent to his attraction. The woman did not consent to her response to his attraction. Both are reacting to forces upstream of choice. But the moral verdict - flattering or creepy, chemistry or harassment - is determined not by anything either of them chose, but by the man's position in a sexual hierarchy that he also did not choose. The ugly man, the short man, the awkward man, the old man, the poor man is guilty of the gaze in a way that the handsome man is not. The egalitarian ratchet, in the domain of desire, produces a moral judgment that is maximally inegalitarian: it punishes men for their low rank in a hierarchy of attractiveness that the ratchet officially denies exists.

This is the enantiodromia I keep returning to - the principle that any energy pushed to its extreme turns into its opposite. Egalitarianism, pushed all the way into the domain of perception, turns into a mechanism for enforcing the most brutal and unchosen hierarchy in human life.

Divide and conquer

I'll make one point on the political level, briefly, because I've reduced my politics and culture-war tracking by about 90-95% and I don't want this essay to become another Current Thing post. But it would be dishonest not to say it.

A population at war with itself along the line of sex is a population that is not paying attention to anything else. Men who feel accused for having bodies and women who feel endangered by men's eyes are not going to form the kinds of durable alliances - marriages, families, communities - that once gave ordinary people some protection against the grinding of the larger system. I have argued for years that division on the basis of race, sex, sexual orientation, and religion serves those who benefit from a fragmented and atomized public. The consent egregore, whatever the sincere intentions of the people inside it, functions as one of these divisions, and an especially intimate one, because it operates at the level of the first glance between strangers. You cannot build a society out of people who have been trained to read each other's involuntary perceptions as hostile acts.

But the deeper problem is not political. It is that the system which shames the arrival of male desire is the same system that has learned to make a great deal of money from it.

Neoliberal Feudalism and the Farming of Involuntary Desire

The central claim of my Neoliberal Feudalism project was that the modern West is sliding into a new form of serfdom: a world in which ordinary people own less and less, rent more and more, and spend their lives generating value that flows upward to a small class who own the platforms, the debt, and the land. A feudal lord did not need to own his serfs' bodies outright. He needed to own the field and take a share of everything grown on it.

The insight I want to add here is that, in the twenty-first century, male attraction is one of the fields. It is a renewable resource, regenerating daily in a few billion male bodies, and it has the single most valuable property any resource can have in an attention economy: it cannot be switched off by the person in whom it grows. A man can refuse to buy a product. He can refuse to click a link. He cannot refuse to notice. And a resource that cannot be refused at the point of arrival is a resource that can be farmed.

The crops

Consider how much of the modern economy is built on the involuntary attention of heterosexual men.

1. Advertising. The phrase "sex sells" is so old it's a cliché, but think about what it actually means. It means advertisers have learned that placing an attractive woman next to a product captures male attention before the conscious mind has a chance to evaluate the product. The advertiser is not persuading the man; he is bypassing him, reaching directly into the system that the genius of the species installed and pulling a lever the man doesn't control. This is the purest possible case of exploitation without consent: an outside party harvesting an involuntary response for profit.

2. Social media. Instagram, TikTok, and their successors are built on infinite feeds whose ranking algorithms optimize for engagement - and few things engage the male attention system as reliably as images of attractive young women. The platforms do not create this attraction, but they surface it, amplify it, and sell the resulting attention to advertisers by the millisecond. Every "thirst trap" is a small harvest.

3. Dating apps. Tinder launched in 2012 and gamified courtship into a swiping motion that is, phenomenologically, a series of rapid involuntary attraction judgments. Match Group now owns Tinder, Hinge, OkCupid, and a long tail of others. Hinge's marketing slogan is that it is "designed to be deleted," which is a lovely sentiment for a product whose revenue depends on users continuing to pay subscriptions. The economics reward keeping men in a state of perpetual, unresolved attraction - swiping, hoping, paying for "boosts" - rather than letting them resolve it.

4. Free internet pornography. I wrote a post about this a couple of years ago, asking why such an expensive service - the bandwidth alone is staggering - is offered for free. The honest answer is that the free tier is the field and the paid tier is the harvest, but the deeper answer is that it converts a natural, involuntary drive into a continuously monetizable compulsion. The man did not consent to the drive. He arguably did not consent to the compulsion either, at least not in any meaningful sense, since the compulsion was engineered by people with far more knowledge of his nervous system than he has.

5. Subscription intimacy. OnlyFans, founded in 2016, refined the model further: an attraction the man did not choose is converted into a parasocial relationship he pays for monthly, with a woman who may or may not be the one actually typing the messages.

6. AI companions. The newest crop. Apps like Replika and Character.AI, and more recently the flirtatious anime-styled companions that xAI added to Grok in 2025, offer a simulated woman who is always available, always attentive, and always calibrated to the user's preferences. I discussed in ChatGPT as a Narcissus Mirror how large language models reflect a user's own psyche back at him with subtle deformations. An AI girlfriend is the Narcissus mirror built specifically for the attraction system: it takes the involuntary desire the man never consented to and hands it back to him as a product he must keep paying to access.

In each of these cases, notice the structure. The arrival of attraction in the man is involuntary. A third party - a platform, an advertiser, an app - positions itself between the man and the object of his attraction, captures the involuntary response, and extracts rent from it. The man is not a customer in the ordinary sense. He is the field.

Harvested and fined

And here is the part that I think is genuinely new, and genuinely perverse.

The same civilization that farms male attraction for profit on an industrial scale also shames male attraction through the noetic commons. The billboard deliberately triggers the head-turn; the wife at the lunch table, raised inside the consent egregore, judges the head-turn. The feed serves the thirst trap; the think-piece denounces the gaze. The man is harvested by the market and fined by the culture for the same involuntary event.

This is not a coincidence or a contradiction that the system has failed to notice. It is how the dialectic works. I've argued before that the Current Thing operates on both sides at once - that engaging with a narrative, even to oppose it, strengthens the narrative, and that the outrage economy profits from both the provocation and the reaction to it. The same is true here. The content that triggers male attraction generates engagement. The content that condemns male attraction also generates engagement. A woman who posts a revealing photo gets the attention; a woman who posts about the creepy men who looked at her revealing photo gets the attention again; the man who looked is the raw material for both posts, and he is paid for neither.

In feudal terms, the man is a serf who works the field (by growing the attraction that is harvested), pays the tithe (by giving his attention, his subscription, his ad impressions), and is then brought before the manorial court (the noetic commons) and fined for having worked the field at all. He pays three times for a condition he never signed up for.

The atomized man

The consequences of this arrangement are visible everywhere, though they are usually discussed under other headings. Young men are dating less, marrying later, and reporting more loneliness than at any point in the survey record. Sexlessness among young men has risen sharply over the past fifteen years. The causes are complex, and I don't want to overclaim, but part of the picture is surely this: a young man today learns, very early, that his attraction is both the most valuable thing about him to the market and the most suspect thing about him to the culture. The rational response to that combination is withdrawal. He keeps feeding the field - scrolling, swiping, watching - because the field is designed to be fed and the attraction does not switch off. But he stops approaching actual women, because actual women live inside the noetic commons, and inside the noetic commons his attraction is evidence against him.

The result is a man who desires constantly and acts never, whose involuntary attractions are monetized by screens while his voluntary courtship withers. I can think of few better illustrations of the way neoliberal feudalism hollows out a person from the inside. It doesn't take his labor or his land; it takes his eros and rents it back to him.

Why this matters for the argument

I've spent this section on economics rather than metaphysics because I think the economic layer exposes the bad faith in the moral layer. If the culture genuinely believed that male attraction was a voluntary moral act - a choice for which men bear responsibility - then the culture would treat the deliberate stimulation of that attraction by advertisers and platforms as something like incitement, or entrapment. It would ask why billion-dollar companies are permitted to engineer the very responses that individual men are then condemned for having.

It doesn't ask that. It cannot ask that, because the economic system knows perfectly well that male attraction is involuntary; that is precisely why it can be farmed so reliably. The market is the one institution in our civilization that is completely honest about P4 through P6. It has bet trillions of dollars on the fact that men cannot consent to being attracted to women. Only the moral grammar pretends otherwise.

So we have a civilization whose wallet believes one thing and whose conscience believes another. The wallet believes Schopenhauer. The conscience believes a secularized Augustine. And the heterosexual man stands between them, crucified.

Which brings us to the psychological level - the level where, in my experience, these crucifixions are actually lived.

Jung, the Anima, and Possession

Everything so far has approached the question from outside the man - from mythology, theology, biology, culture, economics. Jung lets us approach it from inside, and from inside, the picture becomes both stranger and, I think, more hopeful, though not in a redemptive way.

For readers less familiar with Jungian vocabulary: the anima is Jung's term for the feminine element in a man's unconscious, the contrasexual archetype that every man carries and that he mostly does not know he carries. (Women have the reciprocal animus.) The anima is not a woman. It is a pattern of psychic energy - associated with feeling, relatedness, mood, fascination, and the life of the soul - that the conscious masculine ego tends to neglect, and which therefore operates autonomously, from below, in ways the man does not control.

The key concept for our purposes is projection. Because the anima is unconscious, the man does not encounter it directly. He encounters it out there, in the world, cast onto actual women. When a man is suddenly, overwhelmingly struck by a particular woman - when she seems luminous, fated, more than a person, the way Sappho's beloved seemed or the way Helen seemed to the Trojan elders on the walls - Jung would say that what he is seeing is not primarily her. He is seeing his own anima, projected onto her like an image onto a screen. She becomes the carrier of a part of his own soul that he has not yet integrated.

This gives us a third account of why attraction cannot be consented to, alongside the Greek (a god acts on you) and the Schopenhauerian (the species acts through you). In Jung's account, your own unconscious acts on you. And projection, by definition, is not something the ego does on purpose. Jung was emphatic about this: projections are not made; they happen. You do not decide to project your anima onto the woman at the next table any more than you decide to dream. You discover, after the fact, that it has already happened - that she has already become luminous - and only then, if you're lucky and doing the work, can you begin to ask what part of yourself you are looking at.

The stages of the anima

Marie-Louise von Franz, in her chapter of Man and His Symbols, described four stages through which the anima tends to develop, each named for a figure: Eve, the purely instinctual and biological; Helen, the romantic and aesthetic, still sexual but individualized; Mary, the spiritual and devotional; and Sophia, wisdom transcending even the holy. The schema is too neat, as all such schemas are, but it is useful, because it shows that the involuntary attraction we have been discussing is not one thing. The head-turn at the lunch table is Eve. The obsession that consumes a man for years is often Helen. And the higher stages are not reached by suppressing the lower ones - by refusing Eve, as Hippolytus refused Aphrodite - but by passing through them, consciously, until the energy that first appeared as a glance on a sidewalk becomes something capable of relating to soul.

What strikes me about this, in the context of the argument, is that Jung's psychology treats the involuntary arrival of attraction as the beginning of a process, not as a moral event. It is raw material. It is information about the man's own psyche, delivered in the only form the unconscious knows how to deliver it. To shame the arrival is to shut the door on the process before it begins. The Augustinian move - treating the arrival as evidence of corruption - and the modern consent-egregore move - treating the arrival as an act of aggression - both do exactly this. They take the one moment when the unconscious has broken through into awareness and teach the man to slam it shut in guilt.

Possession

Jung also had a word for what happens when the anima is not integrated but runs the show unchecked: possession. The anima-possessed man is moody, touchy, sentimental, vain, prone to sulking and to irrational infatuations, swept from one fascination to the next without ever understanding what is happening to him. Jung did not regard this as a moral failing so much as a psychological condition - a state in which an autonomous complex has taken over functions that belong to the ego.

The point I want to make is that possession is precisely what you get when a culture forbids men to relate consciously to their own attractions. If the only acceptable response to the arrival of desire is denial ("I didn't look," "I don't notice other women," "I only have eyes for my wife") or guilt ("I'm sorry, I shouldn't have"), then the man has no way to bring the energy into consciousness and work with it. It goes back underground, where it accumulates pressure, and eventually it leaks out in uncontrolled forms - in compulsive pornography use, in sudden affairs that blindside everyone including the man himself, in the bitter resentments that curdle into incel forums, in the sad midlife eruptions that I wrote about in my post on the midlife transition. The suppressed shadow returns, as it always does, in a form that can no longer be contained.

My friend at the lunch table, apologizing for a glance, is a man being trained into possession. He is being taught that the correct response to an autonomous movement of his own psyche is to disown it. Every such disowning adds a little weight to the unconscious side of the scale.

The fork, again

In my post The Fork in the Architecture of the Soul I laid out three possible responses to the crucifixion of opposites: offload it onto an institution or authority, collapse into antinomianism, or hold it internally through individuation. The same three options apply to involuntary attraction, and it's worth naming them explicitly.

1. Offloading. The man hands the tension over to an external authority that tells him what his attraction means and what to do about it. Historically this was the Church: confess it, do penance, receive absolution. Today it is the consent egregore: acknowledge your privilege, apologize for your gaze, do the work. Offloading is efficient and, as I've argued, a rational strategy for most people most of the time. But it trades consciousness for stability, and in this case the stability comes at the price of guilt for something the man did not do.

2. Antinomianism. The man refuses the tension entirely by collapsing to one pole: attraction is natural, therefore whatever I do with it is natural, therefore anything goes. This is the pick-up artist, the serial cheater, the man who treats every involuntary attraction as a license. It is the shadow of the Augustinian position, its enantiodromic opposite, and it is just as unconscious.

3. Individuation. The man holds both poles at once. He acknowledges, without shame, that attraction arrives without his consent and that it is a real movement of his psyche - Aphrodite, the genius of the species, the anima, call it what you like. And he acknowledges, without resentment, that he is fully responsible for what he does next. He does not apologize for the arrival. He does not act on it thoughtlessly. He looks at it, the way one looks at a dream, and asks what it is showing him. This is harder than either of the other two options. It does not resolve the tension. It simply refuses to falsify it.

The third option is, I think, the only honest one. But it is not available to most men under current conditions, because the moral grammar they inhabit does not even permit them to say the first half of the sentence. To individuate in relation to desire, a man must first be able to admit that his desire is not his fault. The culture forbids that admission, and so it forbids the path.

That is, in the end, the most serious form of the unfairness. Not that men are blamed - blame is cheap and survivable - but that the blame closes off the one route by which the energy could become conscious.

The Questions

The Q&A format worked well in The Collapse of the All-Good God: Part 2 and On Metabolic vs. Ontological Truth, so I'll use it again here. Some of these questions were raised by friends who read drafts; some came from my own doubting, acidic, recursive process; and a couple I can already see forming in the comments.

1. Women don't consent to their attractions either. Isn't the whole premise of this essay just a special pleading for men?

The premise is universal; the complaint is about asymmetry. I said this in the opening disclaimers and I'll repeat it: no one, of either sex, consents to the arrival of attraction. If anything, the research suggests that female arousal is in some respects less under conscious control than male arousal. Meredith Chivers' laboratory work, for instance, found that women's physiological arousal responded to a much wider range of sexual stimuli than their subjectively reported desire did - their bodies, in other words, were reacting to things their minds did not endorse. Men's physiological and subjective responses lined up more closely. Female desire is not more chosen than male desire; it may be less.

So why focus on men? Because of P8 through P10. Male attraction is more frequent and more visible, and the moral grammar has developed a vocabulary - the gaze, objectification, leering, creepiness - that applies specifically to its visible forms. Female attraction has no equivalent vocabulary of reproach in the current noetic commons. When a woman's involuntary attraction is visible at all, it is usually framed as healthy agency. The unfairness is not that men suffer a condition women escape. It is that men are blamed for a condition both sexes share, and blamed at a rate proportional to how legible their version of it is.

I'll add one honest qualification. Women's involuntary attractions are sometimes judged - a woman drawn to a high-status man may be called a gold digger, a woman drawn to a "bad boy" may be called foolish - and those judgments are unfair in exactly the same way, for exactly the same reason. If this essay persuades anyone of anything, I'd like it to be that the arrival of desire is not a moral event for anyone. The asymmetry is the occasion for the argument, not its limit.

2. Isn't this just incel or manosphere rhetoric with a coat of Jungian paint?

No, and the difference is structural rather than stylistic. Incel ideology - which I covered in my post on inceldom as the apex of nihilism - takes the pain of unchosen desire and projects its cause outward onto women: women are cruel, shallow, hypergamous, to blame. That is precisely the move this essay rejects. The man in the dock did not put the desire there, but neither did the woman. Aphrodite is not a woman. The genius of the species is not a woman. The anima is the man's own unconscious. There is no villain in this story who can be resented, only an impersonal structure that both sexes are subject to.

If anything, the incel and the consent egregore are mirror images. Both refuse to accept that desire arrives from nowhere; both insist that someone must be responsible for it. The egregore says the man is responsible for his own desire. The incel says the woman is responsible for it. Both are offloading the crucifixion onto a scapegoat. In my Grammar of Capture essay I pointed to the phrase "you don't hate them enough" as a recruitment ritual of resentment. I'd say the same of "women are the problem" and "men are the problem" alike.

3. Doesn't this give cover to harassment and assault?

No. The entire essay depends on keeping the arrival of attraction distinct from the response to it. Harassment and assault are responses, and they are fully chosen. If anything, the argument strengthens the case for holding men accountable for their actions, because it removes the excuse that the action was continuous with the attraction. "I couldn't help it" is a true statement about the first flicker. It is a false statement about everything that comes after. Phaedra is the model here: she did not choose her desire, and she never acted on it. That combination is available to every man.

I'd go further. A culture that blames men for the arrival of desire actually makes harassment more likely, not less, because it collapses the distinction between feeling and doing. If the feeling is already the sin, then the man who feels has already been condemned, and the marginal moral cost of acting is lower. Augustine's theology made every man a sinner at the level of the glance, and the history of Christendom is not, to put it mildly, a history in which men stopped at the glance.

4. The "male gaze" was originally about film and representation, not individual men's eyes. Aren't you attacking a strawman?

Partly fair. I acknowledged in the ratchet section that Mulvey's original concept was about the structure of cinematic representation, and as a description of how a lot of classical Hollywood films were shot, it has real merit. My complaint is not with Mulvey. It is with the migration of the concept, which is a documented fact of how the term is now used. When a college orientation warns incoming freshmen about "the male gaze," it is not talking about camera angles. When a viral post complains about men "gazing" at women on the subway, it is not talking about film theory. The term has been redeployed as a description of an individual's perception, and in that redeployment it imports moral weight that it never had to earn.

That migration is the egalitarian ratchet doing what it always does. A critique of representation becomes a critique of perception, and a critique of perception becomes a judgment on persons.

5. Can't men train their attention? Monks have done it for millennia.

They have, and I respect it. The Eastern Orthodox tradition, which I explored in a post a few years ago, has a highly developed practice of guarding the senses - the nepsis or watchfulness described in the Philokalia, where the monk learns to notice a thought at its first appearance and decline to entertain it. Catholicism speaks of "custody of the eyes." Buddhist traditions have meditations specifically designed to dissolve sexual fascination by contemplating the body's impermanence. These practices work, to a degree, over long periods, for people who devote their lives to them.

But look closely at what they actually train. They train the second moment - the decision to dwell or not to dwell, to follow the thought or let it pass. The Philokalia is explicit that the first appearance of a thought (what the Fathers called the prosbolē, the provocation or assault) is not in itself sinful; sin begins with the consent to entertain it and grows through stages from there. The ascetic tradition, in other words, agrees with me. It knows that the first flicker cannot be prevented and it locates moral responsibility afterwards. It is only the modern secular egregore, ironically, that has collapsed the distinction the monks preserved.

6. Isn't your framework self-sealing here? Any evidence of men behaving badly confirms that guilt is being misassigned; any evidence of men behaving well confirms that they can bear the crucifixion.

This is a good question and I want to apply the rule I adopted in On Metabolic vs. Ontological Truth: no psychological consequence of holding the belief should count as evidence for its truth. So the fact that this argument makes men feel better about their glances is not evidence for it. What would count as evidence against it? Three things, I think. First, if it could be shown that the arrival of attraction is in fact under voluntary control for most people - that with ordinary effort a man could decline to find a woman attractive in the first place. I don't think anyone believes this, but it is in principle testable. Second, if it could be shown that the moral vocabulary of the gaze is in practice applied only to deliberate, prolonged, chosen staring and never to the involuntary head-turn - that P9 is false. I think anyone who has lived inside the noetic commons for the past decade will find that hard to believe, but it is an empirical claim about how people judge, and could be studied. Third, if it could be shown that the asymmetry in P7 is an artifact of socialization that disappears under different conditions. Here the cross-cultural evidence points strongly the other way, but I hold it provisionally.

7. You keep saying "heterosexual men." What about gay men?

Gay men do not consent to their attractions either, obviously, and historically they have been punished for those attractions with a severity that makes the burden I'm describing look trivial - criminalized, imprisoned, chemically castrated in the case of Alan Turing. The argument of this essay applies to them in its universal form (P4 through P6). I focus on heterosexual men because the specific asymmetry I'm describing - the moral grammar that treats male-to-female attraction as a gaze and female-to-male attraction as agency - is a feature of how the two sexes are positioned relative to each other. A full treatment of how unchosen desire has been policed across every orientation would be a much longer essay, and a worthwhile one.

8. What about marriage? Isn't a married man noticing other women a kind of betrayal, even if he doesn't act?

The marriage vow, as historically understood, is a vow about conduct: forsaking all others, keeping oneself only unto her. It is not, and cannot be, a vow about involuntary perception, because no one can promise not to perceive. My friend's wife was not wrong to want his attention. She was wrong, I think, to treat a movement of the genius of the species through his visual cortex as a choice he made against her. The Song of Songs knows that love is as strong as death and jealousy as cruel as the grave; it does not pretend that a seal on the heart can prevent the eyes from working. A marriage that requires the husband to stop noticing other women is a marriage built on a hinge proposition that reality will not support, and I suspect a great many marriages quietly break on exactly this rock - not on infidelity, but on the impossible demand that the arrival of desire be governed by vows.

9. If you reject cosmic justice, what does "unfair" even mean?

This is the right question, and it's the subject of the conclusion. Hold that thought.

Predictions

As regular readers know, my grounding mechanism is recursive prediction: make specific claims about the future, check them, and update when wrong. I admitted in On Metabolic vs. Ontological Truth that my predictions have sometimes slid between specific enough and too general, and that vague predictions just reproduce the self-sealing problem one level up. So I'll try to keep these concrete, and I'll mark the ones that are easy calls as easy calls. I'll revisit them in a future year-end review.

1. The vocabulary of the gaze will continue to expand into perception-adjacent territory (easy prediction). Expect new terms - or new applications of old ones - that treat looking, noticing, or even thinking about someone as a form of conduct. Within the next three years I expect at least one major university or large employer in the United States to adopt written guidance that explicitly addresses "unwanted looking" or "visual harassment" in terms that do not require any prolonged or deliberate staring.

2. The AI companion market will grow fastest among young heterosexual men. By the end of 2028, I expect at least one AI companion product marketed primarily to men to report more than 20 million monthly active users, and I expect a public moral panic about "AI girlfriends" to coexist with continued explosive growth - the harvested-and-fined dynamic in its purest form.

3. Dating apps will continue to bleed male users even as their parent companies push more aggressive monetization of the remaining ones. I expect Match Group's reported paying-user numbers for Tinder to be lower at the end of 2027 than at the end of 2024, while revenue per paying user rises.

4. Young men's reported sexlessness and romantic withdrawal will remain at or near record levels through the end of the decade, and the mainstream explanation will continue to focus on phones, porn, and economics while ignoring the moral-grammar dimension described in this essay. This is a moderately easy prediction; the harder part is the claim about how it will be explained.

5. A countervailing current will grow on the margins. I expect increasing interest - in small circles, on Substack and elsewhere - in older frameworks that distinguish the arrival of desire from the response to it: the Orthodox Philokalia, Stoic writings on first movements (propatheiai), Jungian work on the anima. This will not become mainstream. The American psyche is too extraverted and too redemption-oriented to sit comfortably with a tragic account of desire. But it will grow, slowly, among those whose existing containers have failed.

6. There will be no institutional acknowledgment of the core point of this essay. No major body - no university, no professional association, no mainstream publication - will state plainly that the arrival of sexual attraction is involuntary and therefore not a moral event. This is the easiest prediction on the list, and I'd be delighted to be wrong about it.

As always, if I miss on any of these, the more important the miss, the higher up the belief hierarchy the revision must go.

Conclusion: A Complaint With No Court

I promised at the beginning to turn on the word "unfair," and it's time to make good on that.

Everything in this essay has been building toward conclusion C3: that heterosexual men bear a moral cost for an involuntary condition, at a higher rate than women bear the equivalent cost, and that this is unfair. I believe that conclusion follows from the premises. I believe the premises are true. And yet the moment I write the word unfair, I feel the old redemptive machinery starting to turn over in my chest, the way an engine you thought you'd sold for scrap sometimes coughs when you walk past it.

Because what does "unfair" mean? It means that something is out of balance on a ledger. It means that there is a standard of fairness against which the situation falls short, and, implicitly, some authority - a judge, a court, a God, a history that bends toward justice - that could in principle notice the imbalance and correct it. To call something unfair is to file a complaint. And a complaint presupposes an office where complaints are received.

Under the God-image I have articulated over the past year, there is no such office. Abraxas is not a judge. Abraxas is the totality - Aphrodite and Artemis, the genius of the species and the conscience that condemns it, the head-turn and the wife's flat "Really?" - all of it contained, none of it adjudicated. When Artemis appears at the end of Hippolytus and tells the dying young man that the gods do not oppose one another's wills, she is describing exactly this: a cosmos in which powers collide and human beings are the medium of their collision, with no higher court to which the human beings can appeal. Hippolytus does not get justice. He gets an explanation, a promise of vengeance on someone else, and a reconciliation with his father in the last moments before he dies. That is what is available.

So the honest restatement of C3 is something like this: the arrangement is unfair, and there is no one to tell. The genius of the species did not consult the man before installing the system. The noetic commons did not consult him before condemning its outputs. The market did not consult him before farming them. And there is no cosmic authority above all three that will, at the end of days, set the accounts right. This is not a special injustice reserved for men. It is the base condition of finite life under a God-image of totality: everyone is crucified on some pair of opposites they did not choose, and the crucifixion is not compensated.

What remains

If there is no court, what is left? My answer is the one I keep returning to, from Ecclesiastes, my favorite book in either testament. Qohelet tests every container for the crucifixion of opposites - wisdom, pleasure, wealth, work, legacy - and finds each of them hebel: vapor, breath, ungraspable. Not worthless, but unable to carry the weight. And what he arrives at is not redemption but heleq, a portion. In the King James rendering of 9:9: "Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life."

Notice what that verse does not say. It does not say "and see that thou noticest no other woman." It does not say "and confess every glance." It assumes a man with eyes and a body, living under the sun among other people, and it tells him what to do with his life: live joyfully with the one you love, because that is your portion, and your portion is finite and will end. The verse locates responsibility exactly where this essay has located it - in what the man does with his days, not in what arrives unbidden in his perception.

That is, I think, the only stable floor available. Not a court that will vindicate men, nor a revolution that will reform the noetic commons, nor a technology that will free us from the genius of the species, but a clear-eyed acceptance of the portion: I did not choose to be built this way. I am not responsible for the arrival. I am wholly responsible for the response. No one is coming to set the ledger straight, and I will not wait for them. A man who can hold all four of those sentences at once, without collapsing into either guilt or resentment, has done what the culture forbids him to do. He has made the involuntary conscious. That is individuation, and it is lonely, and it is the only path I know of that does not falsify reality.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5910476&forum_id=2#50175860)



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Date: October 7th, 2026 9:55 AM
Author: Fracture in the Maidenhead (gunneratttt)

Back to the lunch table

I've thought a lot, over the past couple of weeks, about what I wish my friend had said to his wife. Not a defense - he didn't need a lawyer - and not a counter-accusation. Something more like: Yes, I noticed her. That happened. It wasn't a choice and it isn't about you. What I choose is this table, this marriage, this life. Perhaps that would have gone over badly; perhaps she would have heard it as a rationalization. Our moral grammar makes it almost impossible to say such a thing without sounding defensive, which is precisely the problem this essay has been circling.

But I suspect that some version of it would have been more honest, and more loving, than the apology he actually offered. The apology confirmed, for both of them, a fiction about how desire works. The fiction will cost them something, eventually - not today, maybe not for years, but the suppressed always returns. I didn't ask to notice her was the truest thing said at that lunch. It deserved to be said without shame.

The bittersweet, unmanageable creature gets in under the door whether you've locked it or not. It did not ask. It never asks. What you do once it's in the room is up to you.

Thanks for reading.

Notes

1. On translations: the Sappho line at the top is my own rough rendering of fragment 130; the Song of Solomon, Matthew, and Ecclesiastes quotations are from the King James Version. Descriptions of Hippolytus, Gorgias's Encomium of Helen, Augustine's Confessions and City of God, and Schopenhauer's chapter on sexual love are paraphrases, and any errors of emphasis are mine.

2. The dating of Gorgias's Encomium of Helen is uncertain; scholars place it variously in the late fifth century BC. The broad argument - that Helen is blameless under each of four possible causes of her flight - is not in dispute.

3. On Matthew 5:28: the reading of pros to epithymēsai as expressing purpose ("in order to desire") is a common one among New Testament commentators, but not universal. My argument does not depend on it; it only depends on the observation that the saying was historically received as a condemnation of the glance itself.

4. On the evolutionary evidence: the sex differences cited in the Genius of the Species section are average differences in overlapping distributions. They describe tendencies, not destinies, and many individual men and women fall outside them.

5. On Libet: the interpretation of Benjamin Libet's readiness-potential experiments as evidence against conscious will has been extensively challenged, and I have deliberately not rested any part of the argument on it. The point about attraction preceding deliberation does not need neuroscience; it only needs honesty.

6. On Chivers: Meredith Chivers' findings on the concordance between physiological and subjective arousal are summarized in a number of her papers from the 2000s and 2010s. The findings concern laboratory measures of arousal and should not be over-read as claims about consent in any legal or ethical sense - which is, after all, the whole point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5910476&forum_id=2#50175862)