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corvette v. cayman

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Supple dull rigpig
  10/20/13
New or used? What are you buying it for? Cayman is a ripo...
Geriatric charismatic windowlicker international law enforcement agency
  10/20/13
tcr
Angry national security agency haunted graveyard
  10/20/13
this nigga knows whats up. goddamn god bless america.
clear insane parlour elastic band
  04/26/20
...
motley iridescent circlehead
  04/26/20
MFCR!
Painfully Honest Institution
  10/23/20
Cayman. Corvettes are for people who wear rolex subs and ...
Razzle-dazzle red property
  10/20/13
To most people Cayman seems like a striver car for a guy who...
Geriatric charismatic windowlicker international law enforcement agency
  10/20/13
Probably cr. I think the cayman is basically a livable versi...
Razzle-dazzle red property
  10/20/13
Yeah kinda reminds me of a nicer MR2 which I had years ago a...
Geriatric charismatic windowlicker international law enforcement agency
  10/20/13
Bro should I cop an elise? I already have a 944 turbo for my...
Razzle-dazzle red property
  10/20/13
951 is nice man. They're hard to find in good shape these da...
Geriatric charismatic windowlicker international law enforcement agency
  10/20/13
I'm the classic racing driver build, 5'10 and 160 when I'm l...
Razzle-dazzle red property
  10/20/13
Go for it bro, you'll be living my dream. I think it'd be a ...
Geriatric charismatic windowlicker international law enforcement agency
  10/20/13
So, corvette = shitlaw boss car?
naked locus
  10/20/13
Exactly. GSelevator said it perfectly: ccorvettes are like ...
Razzle-dazzle red property
  10/20/13
Yeah, because entry-level Porsche owners aren't pretentious ...
motley iridescent circlehead
  04/26/20
lollercausting HARD@ tmf IRATE as fuck that NYUUG could end ...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  04/28/20
neither
Electric crystalline private investor
  10/20/13
test drove a bunch of porsches this past weekend, including ...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  04/26/20
how can you afford a 60k car on a 45k salary?
federal university ape
  04/26/20
(guy who thinks used porsches cost 60k) the c6s im lookin...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  04/26/20
"these are some unreliable as fuck cars" You ar...
motley iridescent circlehead
  04/26/20
some common problems all the porsches i test drove had: s...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  04/26/20
LOL, awesome sample size. "I drove a few Porsches and ...
motley iridescent circlehead
  04/26/20
80% of the porsches on the market have some kind of engine o...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  04/27/20
You live in Korea and many of the people selling them are do...
motley iridescent circlehead
  04/27/20
LOL, of course YOU would buy a cybertruck
federal university ape
  04/27/20
It was basically made for me.
motley iridescent circlehead
  04/27/20
Are you a boomer or a soccer mom? Kidding. I'd go corvette b...
Spectacular Peach National Cuck
  04/26/20
american cars are seriously underrated. extremely reliable c...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  04/26/20
True, my Ford Focus runs great.
Spectacular Peach National Cuck
  04/26/20
im reading up on the c6. they seem reliable from what ive re...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  04/26/20
I'd 100% go Corvette. Porsche is for someone who dgaf about...
motley iridescent circlehead
  04/26/20
i think you should replace cayman with boxster
Hideous nursing home
  04/28/20
one of the caymans i test drove had a blown cv joint and i t...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  04/28/20
They're basically the same
motley iridescent circlehead
  04/28/20
the boxster has a much gayer vibe to it than the cayman, bro...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  04/28/20
Ugh, I want my several seconds back
motley iridescent circlehead
  04/28/20
sorry tmf whatever supercar i end up with will easily be lev...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  04/28/20
I don't have a wrangler, dumbass. It is kind of a fun car f...
motley iridescent circlehead
  04/28/20
Also, watching vids on YouTube should make anyone immediatel...
motley iridescent circlehead
  04/26/20
test drove a 2007 and a 2012 this morning. c6s are 180 as FU...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  04/27/20
vette
Big Therapy
  04/27/20
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Lascivious juggernaut school cafeteria
  04/28/20
copped dat CAYMAN SUPERCAR http://www.xoxohth.com/thread....
clear insane parlour elastic band
  05/04/20
Congrats. Now you're at least a lame person with a cool car...
motley iridescent circlehead
  05/04/20
tmf IRATE
clear insane parlour elastic band
  05/12/20
6 month mark update - virtually zero issues. HIGHLY recommen...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  10/23/20
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clear insane parlour elastic band
  12/15/20
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clear insane parlour elastic band
  01/21/21
get the vette u fuckin eurofag
Big Therapy
  10/23/20
c8s selling for $180,000 outside of america bro. absolute sc...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  10/23/20
im sure plane prices are worse
Big Therapy
  10/23/20
Oslo-Seoul round trip tix Feb 2018 = $650 Oslo-Seoul round ...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  10/23/20
VETTE
Painfully Honest Institution
  10/23/20
Cayman.
Exciting coffee pot resort
  10/23/20
Corvette. What are you, a fag?
Big Therapy
  01/21/21
how about both
clear insane parlour elastic band
  10/19/21
...
clear insane parlour elastic band
  10/20/21
new ZR1X is $250k...LOLLERCAUST
nyuug
  04/14/26
Cayman, unless your a jorts-wearing boomer
.,.,.,.,,,,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,,
  04/14/26


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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:03 PM
Author: Supple dull rigpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24270878)



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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:08 PM
Author: Geriatric charismatic windowlicker international law enforcement agency

New or used? What are you buying it for?

Cayman is a ripoff new and the new Corvette model is a lot nicer than the outgoing one.

Even the Cayman S is going to be much slower and more expensive to keep up. If you're buying as a track toy I'd go Corvette all day every day.

If you're buying for prestige, Cayman won't impress anyone since it's not a 911. Corvette will impress baby boomer doods and prole chicks.

If you're into tuning/modding the Corvette will be cheaper and easier to get big power out of.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24270891)



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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:10 PM
Author: Angry national security agency haunted graveyard

tcr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24270897)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 9:55 PM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

this nigga knows whats up. goddamn god bless america.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40099711)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 11:10 PM
Author: motley iridescent circlehead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40100156)



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Date: October 23rd, 2020 1:33 AM
Author: Painfully Honest Institution

MFCR!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#41170563)



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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:09 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle red property

Cayman.

Corvettes are for people who wear rolex subs and loudly exclaim how much their suit costs like GOB on AD

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24270892)



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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:11 PM
Author: Geriatric charismatic windowlicker international law enforcement agency

To most people Cayman seems like a striver car for a guy who can't quite afford a 911. In reality, it's a nice purist's car, though way too expensive for what it delivers new.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24270914)



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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:12 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle red property

Probably cr. I think the cayman is basically a livable version of the lotus exige

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24270923)



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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:14 PM
Author: Geriatric charismatic windowlicker international law enforcement agency

Yeah kinda reminds me of a nicer MR2 which I had years ago and loved. Once they get a little cheaper used I might consider picking one up. At least they look less gay than the Boxster.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24270939)



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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:17 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle red property

Bro should I cop an elise? I already have a 944 turbo for my fun weekend car (now getting full restoration) and DD an older acura 6mt but I still want another ccouple cars.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24270961)



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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:25 PM
Author: Geriatric charismatic windowlicker international law enforcement agency

951 is nice man. They're hard to find in good shape these days since they were unloved and cheap for a while.

How tall/fat are you? The Elise is TINY and you need to be pretty twinkish to fit in one. Seems like they are easy to total, see a lot of salvage ones out there. I'm guessing they're fragile and the body/suspension parts are very expensive.

If you have another car to DD it could be fun. Do you live in a city? Seems like it would only be worthwhile if you can hit some backroads or the track regularly. I saw a dude driving one around Chicago swerving around every tiny pothole looking really pissed.

They are supposed to be great drivers cars though. Also gets a ton of attention since they look exotic, which can be a plus or minus depending on your personality.

The drivetrain is all standard FWD Toyota stuff just flipped around so shouldn't be too expensive to maintain mechanically.

I'd go for it if you can get good use out of it. If you don't like it, wouldn't be that hard to flip for a small loss.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24271002)



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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:29 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle red property

I'm the classic racing driver build, 5'10 and 160 when I'm lifting so I can fit no problem. The 951 is a basket case but I bought it in college and and it's going to be mine for life if I can make it work.

You're exactly right about flipping an elise if I don't like it too, I see they're basically 30k in any condition so I think I could get a nice one and make a small profit if it doesn't work out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24271025)



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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:35 PM
Author: Geriatric charismatic windowlicker international law enforcement agency

Go for it bro, you'll be living my dream. I think it'd be a steal at $30k provided you have another DD. Nothing else really competes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24271072)



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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:30 PM
Author: naked locus

So, corvette = shitlaw boss car?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24271031)



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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:31 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle red property

Exactly. GSelevator said it perfectly: ccorvettes are like gucci suits, they're a great way to let everyone know you didn't always have money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24271039)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 11:10 PM
Author: motley iridescent circlehead

Yeah, because entry-level Porsche owners aren't pretentious at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40100154)



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Date: April 28th, 2020 1:19 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

lollercausting HARD@ tmf IRATE as fuck that NYUUG could end up with a baller ass porsche whilst TMF slums it up in his WRANGLER

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40107277)



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Date: October 20th, 2013 3:09 PM
Author: Electric crystalline private investor

neither

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#24270893)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 9:54 PM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

test drove a bunch of porsches this past weekend, including a couple 911s

these are some unreliable as fuck cars. im gonna look at some c6s this week and might just shell out a little extra for one vis a vis these shitty porsches

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40099703)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 10:30 PM
Author: federal university ape

how can you afford a 60k car on a 45k salary?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40099917)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 10:32 PM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

(guy who thinks used porsches cost 60k)

the c6s im looking into are around 20k USD. a little steeper than my budget (15k USD) but i am not really interested in a porsche after test driving a bunch of them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40099929)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 10:38 PM
Author: motley iridescent circlehead

"these are some unreliable as fuck cars"

You are not a car guy. Why do you say stupid shit like this? Stick to feminine squawking about how pretty one car is vs. another.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40099967)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 10:44 PM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

some common problems all the porsches i test drove had:

suspension issues

head gasket/cylinder

oil pan

i never had any of these kinds of problems with my mustang. and my mustang had literally 130,000+ miles. some of the porsches i test drove had less than 50,000 miles and still had multiple issues

tmf, ima cop a corvette and smoke your ass nigga

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40100005)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 11:14 PM
Author: motley iridescent circlehead

LOL, awesome sample size. "I drove a few Porsches and I own a beat cheap Mustang so I'm qualified to speak about the reliablity of all of these cars..."

You can't afford a new mid-engine Corvette. And my new Cybertruck will beat anything other than that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40100171)



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Date: April 27th, 2020 12:35 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

80% of the porsches on the market have some kind of engine or suspension issue. says a lot about how shitty these cars are

test driving them just confirms the fact

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40100653)



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Date: April 27th, 2020 12:38 AM
Author: motley iridescent circlehead

You live in Korea and many of the people selling them are dorks trying to act alpha (like you) but aren't car guys so they can't actually fix their cars themselves or afford to pay a legit mechanic, so they just let them wear down and sell them. It is because Asian culture is all about conspicuous consumption and status signaling, so of course you buy the most impressive sounding car you can afford without regard to substance. That doesn't actually mean that Porsches are less reliable than Mustangs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40100666)



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Date: April 27th, 2020 11:41 PM
Author: federal university ape

LOL, of course YOU would buy a cybertruck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40106786)



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Date: April 27th, 2020 11:56 PM
Author: motley iridescent circlehead

It was basically made for me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40106868)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 10:32 PM
Author: Spectacular Peach National Cuck

Are you a boomer or a soccer mom? Kidding. I'd go corvette but I have prole tastes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40099934)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 10:36 PM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

american cars are seriously underrated. extremely reliable compared to these shit german cars everyone and their cousin seem to love so much

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40099955)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 10:41 PM
Author: Spectacular Peach National Cuck

True, my Ford Focus runs great.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40099983)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 10:47 PM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

im reading up on the c6. they seem reliable from what ive read so far. gonna test drive some this weekend and see for myself

i test drove a c5 a while ago and it was great but a little too old. c6s seem like the sweet spot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40100020)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 10:54 PM
Author: motley iridescent circlehead

I'd 100% go Corvette. Porsche is for someone who dgaf about money. It is a pure luxury. If you're even looking at the Cayman then that's not you. The new Vette is a better car with a sub 3 second 0-60. It is a ton of fun and great performance for the same or less money.

The only other people that buy Caymans are people looking to get into the Porsche crowd. Ffs, don't be that guy.

EDIT: Also, if you MUST get a German car the BMW M2 is also a serious contender in that price range and a better value than the Cayman. But honestly, despite a BMW owner I still think the Corvette is the better car.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40100063)



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Date: April 28th, 2020 12:06 AM
Author: Hideous nursing home

i think you should replace cayman with boxster

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40106940)



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Date: April 28th, 2020 1:09 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

one of the caymans i test drove had a blown cv joint and i told the guy i want 1k off the price he offered and he said he'd think about it. 53,000 miles

called some shops and it costs 700 to fix so i wouldnt be down that much

thinking about pulling the trigger



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40107245)



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Date: April 28th, 2020 1:11 AM
Author: motley iridescent circlehead

They're basically the same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40107252)



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Date: April 28th, 2020 1:15 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

the boxster has a much gayer vibe to it than the cayman, bro. caymans are actually pretty pimp cars but seem unreliable as fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40107265)



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Date: April 28th, 2020 1:19 AM
Author: motley iridescent circlehead

Ugh, I want my several seconds back

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40107278)



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Date: April 28th, 2020 1:21 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

sorry tmf whatever supercar i end up with will easily be levels of pimp beyond your WRANGLER

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40107283)



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Date: April 28th, 2020 10:48 AM
Author: motley iridescent circlehead

I don't have a wrangler, dumbass. It is kind of a fun car for a certain kind of person/environment though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40108689)



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Date: April 26th, 2020 11:26 PM
Author: motley iridescent circlehead

Also, watching vids on YouTube should make anyone immediately realize the Corvette is the right choice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvTzcNtaSLU



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40100255)



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Date: April 27th, 2020 10:36 PM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

test drove a 2007 and a 2012 this morning. c6s are 180 as FUCK. extremely reliable cars

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40106431)



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Date: April 27th, 2020 10:36 PM
Author: Big Therapy

vette

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40106437)



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Date: April 28th, 2020 10:49 AM
Author: Lascivious juggernaut school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40108697)



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Date: May 4th, 2020 12:58 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

copped dat CAYMAN SUPERCAR

http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4526137&mc=1&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40143537)



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Date: May 4th, 2020 11:15 AM
Author: motley iridescent circlehead

Congrats. Now you're at least a lame person with a cool car.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40145035)



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Date: May 12th, 2020 2:00 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

tmf IRATE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#40193283)



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Date: October 23rd, 2020 1:19 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

6 month mark update - virtually zero issues. HIGHLY recommend the porsche cayman SUPERCAR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#41170505)



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Date: December 15th, 2020 3:27 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#41550709)



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Date: January 21st, 2021 2:23 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#41796559)



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Date: October 23rd, 2020 1:20 AM
Author: Big Therapy

get the vette u fuckin eurofag

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#41170509)



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Date: October 23rd, 2020 1:21 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

c8s selling for $180,000 outside of america bro. absolute scam if you arent a THIRD WORLDER

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#41170512)



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Date: October 23rd, 2020 1:21 AM
Author: Big Therapy

im sure plane prices are worse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#41170519)



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Date: October 23rd, 2020 1:34 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

Oslo-Seoul round trip tix Feb 2018 = $650

Oslo-Seoul round trip tix current = $778

airplane tix markups nowhere near as insane as c8 markups. not even close.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#41170567)



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Date: October 23rd, 2020 1:33 AM
Author: Painfully Honest Institution

VETTE

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#41170564)



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Date: October 23rd, 2020 1:35 AM
Author: Exciting coffee pot resort

Cayman.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#41170571)



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Date: January 21st, 2021 2:50 AM
Author: Big Therapy

Corvette. What are you, a fag?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#41796643)



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Date: October 19th, 2021 1:55 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band

how about both

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#43294920)



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Date: October 20th, 2021 1:24 AM
Author: clear insane parlour elastic band



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#43300034)



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Date: April 14th, 2026 12:42 AM
Author: nyuug

new ZR1X is $250k...LOLLERCAUST

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2392333&forum_id=2#49816088)



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Date: April 14th, 2026 12:59 AM
Author: .,.,.,.,,,,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,,


Cayman, unless your a jorts-wearing boomer

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