Date: August 16th, 2015 2:43 PM Author: diverse foreskin home
Parents on the waiting list for a popular Upper West Side elementary school are refusing a city directive to send their incoming kindergartners to a nearby school that the state has branded “persistently dangerous.”
The city Department of Education has told about 45 families zoned for PS 199 on West 70th Street that the high-performing school has no room for their kids — and to enroll them instead at low-performing PS 191 on West 61st Street.
Disappointment turned to outrage when the state Education Department posted its 2015-16 list of the most dangerous schools. The state cited 97 “violent and disruptive” incidents at PS 191 in 2013-14. These include four sex offenses, two arsons, 12 assaults with physical injury (four with weapons), 10 cases of bullying (eight with weapons), and dozens of “minor altercations.”
Deputy Chancellor Elizabeth Rose met with parents on July 30, the day before the damning list came out, and sang PS 191’s praises.
“They told us the school is safe. But it’s on this list,” fumed Andy Davis, who has a 5-year-old daughter. “With less than four weeks before school starts, the DOE has given us no other option.”
Under the federal No Child Left Behind law, students in “persistently dangerous” schools may transfer to a safe school. PS 191 has 510 students.
Last year, PS 199, which had 836 students, added a seventh kindergarten class to accept kids on the waiting list. This year, it rescinded the seventh class, saying it needed the space for a “cluster room,” typically used for science, art and computers.
The school added two kids to each of the six remaining classes, squeezing in 12 more, but shut out 48 others. The original waiting list was 94, but some families have turned to private schools or moved.
The DOE is violating its own rules, parents say. Every school must serve “all children who live within its attendance zone,” Chancellor’s Regulations state, and may reduce “non-mandatory programs” to make room. Other overcrowded schools use cluster rooms or trailers.
Many families chose the high-rent neighborhood near Lincoln Center, or stayed there because of PS 199’s first-rate reputation. In the latest state test results, 79 percent of kids there passed the tough Common Core math exam; 87 passed the English exam. The school is 66 percent white.
At PS 191, only 11 percent passed the math exam and 12 percent passed the English exam. The students are 80 percent black and Hispanic, many from nearby public housing.
“It’s not a racial issue,” one parent insisted. “It’s the test scores and the violence.”
The DOE is working to make PS 191 safer, a spokesman said. It will “make offers at other schools” for PS 199 castoffs this month.
Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal, whose district includes both schools, blamed the crisis on the DOE’s “total lack of planning.”
Date: October 23rd, 2015 12:26 PM Author: gaped gas station party of the first part
"four sex offenses, two arsons, 12 assaults with physical injury (four with weapons), 10 cases of bullying (eight with weapons), and dozens of “minor altercations.”
The kids are 5-12 years old!!!! or maybe held back several years?
Date: August 17th, 2015 9:55 AM Author: Claret godawful hairy legs
I'm sorta viewing this from the lens of a couple with 2 kids who ideally wants to live in MFH or trendy Brooklyn (i.e., somewhere with a good elementary school, as noted in the article).
Let's take the UWS as an example, since that's what's being used in the article. Looking at Corcoran (which isn't the end-all, be-all of nyc real estate websites, but it's a start), there are ZERO 3BR/2BA apartments listed on the UWS for less than $2M, and only TEN for less than $3M.
Here's one for $2.1M on 100th and West End Ave, which might not even be in a good elementary district: http://www.corcoran.com/nyc/Listings/Display/3439940. I chose it because at 1500 sq ft it makes sense for a family of four. You're also paying almost $2000 a month for common charges/taxes
Yes the taxes are high in Larchmont at $35k, but you're not paying city tax (which if you're making say $400k a year is gonna run you like $12-15k per year) and you will never having the upcoming private school tuition for two kids from 6-12 grades which is going to run you $35-40k per year per kid.
Date: August 16th, 2015 4:12 PM Author: massive insane dilemma
Well it's kind of embarrassing, at least for non-racists. Liberals want everyone to be the same and interchangeable. Their heart is in the right place, but it's not realistic.
Date: August 16th, 2015 6:58 PM Author: Provocative aggressive elastic band doctorate
brown v. board at its core just means you can't bar a kid from attending a certain public school due to the kid's race. so if you're in all-white area and some chinese family shows up and lives there, the local school can't just hang a big "NO GOOKS" sign on the door and turn away their kids.
intentional busing/"integration"/etc. is way, way beyond that sort of thing.
it's true that those are different issues - however the situation in Manhattan being discussed here involves kids going to the nearest school that has room, not being bussed across the city or whatever
Date: August 16th, 2015 7:05 PM Author: duck-like base multi-billionaire
There was a This American Life episode a couple weeks ago about white parents trying to keep blacks from a neighboring school district out of their public school. The white lib host couldn't understand why these parents were being so intolerant of diversity. Just couldn't quite get why they were being so hateful
Date: August 16th, 2015 8:15 PM Author: titillating sandwich church
i was at a dinner party recently with a bunch of social justice shrews who couldn't understand how white parents could be so cruel, so hateful, as to not want kids from underperforming schools to be bussed into their school districts. one of the shrews was a public school teacher in a mostly black district, had a little too much wine, and eventually said she wouldn't the kids from her district going to school with her nieces/nephews either
i don't think she's going to be invited to any more dinner parties
Date: August 16th, 2015 7:09 PM Author: House-broken dragon
Under the federal No Child Left Behind law, students in “persistently dangerous” schools may transfer to a safe school. PS 191 has 510 students.
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Is this an accurate description of No Child Left Behind? So, as soon as a school is persistently dangerous, in theory every student has a legal right to transfer out and the school ceases to exist? And then the students that were making it persistently dangeorus in the first place infect a previously safe school? JFC.
Shitlibism has a peculiarly destructive effect on language. It keeps changing the meaning of every word into "black" (diverse, minority, underperforming, youth, teen, underserved, urban, etc. etc. etc.)
Date: August 17th, 2015 10:22 AM Author: Racy learning disabled range
Combination of selfish and entitled parents. They not only make their children live in confined spaces with no where outdoors to play but also send them to dangerous schools all so they can feel cool bc they live in MFH. If you can't afford to send your kids to private schools, you can't afford to live in MFH. sorry libs.
Date: August 17th, 2015 10:27 AM Author: Claret godawful hairy legs
I can sort of feel their plight to a degree, because families buying in NYC will often specifically buy a place to take advantage of a particular elementary school. Six years of public elementary school for two kids literally saves a family about half a million dollars.
Could you imagine the uproar if a family moved to Scarsdale with two toddlers and then when they were ready to enroll in Kindergarten the town said "oops we're too full, but hey we'll bus you to new rochelle or mt. vernon!"?
Date: August 17th, 2015 10:30 AM Author: Histrionic citrine kitty
This is funny.
Of course no rich or even middle class people in the city where I work send their kids to public school and the suburb/rural area I am in the district is 180. Even out here, a substantial portion send their kids to private schools.
Hearing the shitlib coworkers who live in the city is hilarious. Some of them are working to improve the schools but they still send their kids to private school. Some have mental anguish about it, but most are unrepentant.
Date: August 28th, 2015 10:34 PM Author: Rusted dashing personal credit line affirmative action
I went to average public school in middle class suburb flyover and went to a top 15 undergrad on full ride. My spouse did average public school in flyover and got into every single hypsmcaltech (we are not urms). Private school is flame , except maybe for networking. Even so you can just go to college for networking
I lol at NYC parents though...who the fuck raises kids in NYC without at least 10 million net worth
Date: August 28th, 2015 11:29 PM Author: diverse foreskin home
I'm glad that your suburb had decent, safe schools, but some places don't, and you sort of have to go private just to go to school with other white kids and not get your ass beat. It's not always just to be snooty or whatever.
Date: December 22nd, 2015 5:03 PM Author: Concupiscible Ceo
This, and that person above also grossly underestimates the value of networking. Also college networking is often the purview of people in the "right" eating clubs or whatever; lacrosse bros helping other lacrosse bros out and so on.
If you're some dweeb from an average public school in the middle of nowhere, the networking opportunities are lost on you so you probably don't realize how much they benefit someone.
At P.S. 9 on the Upper West Side, de Blasio expressed concern about a lack of diversity at many schools across New York, which became a hot topic after a UCLA report last year found that New York City’s schools are among the most racially segregated in the country. However, the mayor stopped short of suggesting policy remedies.
“I believe we have a long history that we’re trying to overcome in this city and in this country of division,” de Blasio said. “We want to be creative. We want to see if there’s other ways we can further this work, because it really is historic and necessary work. But we also don’t have, you know, the perfect solution yet.”
Date: October 23rd, 2015 12:23 PM Author: bossy persian
“A super zone creates equality,” said Seth Rosenthal, who lives in a building whose zoned school would switch from 199 to 191 under the city’s proposal. “Instead of drawing lines, let’s have two great schools.”
Date: March 23rd, 2019 2:53 PM Author: Beady-eyed canary stage reading party
Lol that's why I am not having kids in America. In Europe all schools are free and have no niggers and teach u a foreign language. And they got affordable private schools too. America is built for people who want to quickly build up a real estate portfolio or some other way to go up a class.
Date: March 23rd, 2019 3:04 PM Author: Beady-eyed canary stage reading party
I went to a NYC public school and was indoctrinated to be antiracist. After a couple of beatings by minorities I end up knowing that anybody who is antiracist is either a POS liar or has never really interacted with non-whites. Btw I did learn to fight and am not afraid to meet a black bum in a dark alley