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Date: May 3rd, 2023 8:47 PM Author: Greedy public bath As with the LSAT, there is incredible pressure all the way from HYS down to every lowly TTT to lobby for doing away with the bar. Not only is the 2008 demographic bomb coming home to roost for sub-T14s later this decade, the optics of having an objective and difficult (for retards) test in 2023 when admissions has now gone nearly completely "holistic" is deeply NOT OKAY.
Here's a tweet showing, among other things, that someone took and failed the exam 33 times in CT: https://twitter.com/ryanmckeen/status/1653568638933139456 . Notice that most of the responses are whiny millennials and zoomers explaining how deeply unfair it is that this hateful old relic of the white man's meritocracy still exists. This sentiment is shared among current law students, law hopefuls, and much of the faculty at top law schools.
The lower half of our majestic profession is about to get much, MUCH dumber, similar to the SAT-less students that are being admitted to colleges nationwide now. ChatGPT and other AIs will obfuscate this phenomenon a great deal, but ljl at proles hiring Trayvon Martin, Esq. to represent them 10 years from now.
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 8:49 PM Author: swashbuckling chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46267378) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 8:54 PM Author: Exhilarant son of senegal den I wish they'd make the bar exam harder if anything. Would be nice if we had some kind of bar association that would keep the riffraff out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46267395) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 8:55 PM Author: Cerebral Stain judges are going to be so retarded in like 20 yrs or so, it'll be so 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46267400) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 8:59 PM Author: Exhilarant son of senegal den We're in for a hell of a show (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46267429) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 9:01 PM Author: poppy odious yarmulke nibblets (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46267435) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 7:35 AM Author: Floppy mother This process is starting already
It's terrifying |
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Date: July 3rd, 2023 9:48 PM Author: curious ticket booth fat ankles (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46506582) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 7:53 AM Author: hairraiser sneaky criminal rigor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268727) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:20 AM Author: mischievous black woman (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268954) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 12:13 PM Author: magenta 180 death wish Black judge: overruled counsel You: But your honor .... Black judge: *twerks vigorously*
And then the entire court-room starts twerking and mocking/defaming/threatening your white client |
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Date: May 6th, 2023 12:09 PM Author: galvanic hissy fit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46277305) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 9:20 PM Author: adventurous azure useless brakes associate No, it should be more like medicine. Keep the idiots out before they can even sit for the exam. Make it really hard to get into law school. Close a bunch of schools with shit employment prospects. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46267524) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 11:15 PM Author: Lavender Area How are you going to do that with the LSAT being deemphasized or altogether eliminated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46267961) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 11:16 PM Author: Cerebral Stain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46267966) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:35 AM Author: arousing awkward depressive mediation cost/inflation and growing awareness of low earning potential for most grads (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269283) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 11:17 PM Author: Misanthropic alcoholic pit Maybe it should be but it won't be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46267976) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 8:39 AM Author: dark boltzmann casino (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268792) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:20 AM Author: mischievous black woman How do you square your liberalism with this position (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268958) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:37 AM Author: Vibrant market Like it fucking matters whichever one they would do. Ok great close all the shit schools. You and your ilk would still vocally oppose it because it’s unfair to minorities or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269032) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:55 AM Author: Trip Bisexual Tanning Salon Candlestick Maker Lol at thinking that’s the way it works in medicine. The only reason medicine is “hard to get into” is because the schools themselves require a lot of money to operate, so every TTT seeking a cash cow can’t open one. Law school, on the other hand, just requires a library, if even that. It’s a structural issue, not a deliberate attempt to promote merit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269107) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 11:24 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range wrong. no compelling societal interest in making sure lawyers are high-IQ. much compelling societal interest in diverting high-IQ people away from law and toward more productive fields. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269441) |
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Date: May 5th, 2023 10:31 AM Author: disgusting angry internal respiration tattoo You underestimate the externalities imposed by retarded lawyers and judges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46272946) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 8:58 PM Author: Coral Excitant Cumskin Nah. No one wants a dumb atty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46267421) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 9:21 PM Author: thriller red messiness main people average joe is clueless to the difference.
funny thing is they're going to shepherd all these retards into the legal field just as AI is starting take over the bottom tier work. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 11:10 PM Author: Carnelian Striped Hyena What's the 2008 demographic bomb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46267932) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 11:16 PM Author: Cerebral Stain lot of people decided not to have kids once ITE hit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46267963) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:13 AM Author: Frum elite stead pandemic for me. Parenting is fucked right now with the bullshit insanity you have to put up with. Feel so bad for my bro right now - loves his kids of course (and i adore them) - but it's a pretty hellish existence to get through all the shit you have to get through bringing a kid through school systems and keep them from coming out headfucked. That's if someone doesn't shoot up their school. The anxiety of having a child nowadays is insane. The cost is worse.
May as well not duplicate whatever the fuck I have wrong with me anyway, spend my cash happily and live a nice life trying to make sure my nieces make it out okay and that my bro doesnt fuck them up somehow, and make sure their teachers, friends, other family members don't fuck them up somehow.
I'm going to start bringing them out to Europe every Summer to get them away from the US / that environment and hope that helps them keep a shred of sanity while the rest of the US eats itself. I'll be a parent a quarter of the year, then have a great time the rest of it.
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 11:11 PM Author: burgundy rehab California bar rates keep sinking despite California lowering the minimum number of points needed to pass because of affirmative action. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46267942) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 11:21 PM Author: Talented halford no the bar exam is never going away. the optics to the general public would be way too severely negative. they won't ever eliminate it outright
what they will do is just keep making it easier and easier and easier until it's basically impossible to fail, even for the stupidest niggers |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:18 AM Author: nudist macaca There is no standard so low that dumb backs cannot astonish you with their inability to hit it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268945) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:40 PM Author: mildly autistic razzmatazz trailer park hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46271986) |
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Date: May 6th, 2023 11:44 AM Author: Silver sandwich counterpoint: what if i told you that BAR EXAM stands for Barrier Assembled by Racists to EXclude Awesome Minorities? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46277229) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 11:24 PM Author: aphrodisiac twisted gay wizard hospital if you fail the bar exam you should be banned from practicing law. no second chance. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268010) |
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Date: May 6th, 2023 12:09 PM Author: Copper ceo LOL, State Bars would never give away their cash cow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46277302) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 11:27 PM Author: pontificating bistre trump supporter It's not like u need to be smart to be a lawyer. The main thing is to be a hustler. People like cslg, putin, Trump would all make great lawyers but their main attributes have very little in common with some written exam. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268024) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 8:08 AM Author: Boyish massive gaming laptop lol boor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268738) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:22 AM Author: mischievous black woman Lol at thinking CSLG isn’t smart. He graduated top 1% at a T14 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268965) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 12:21 PM Author: magenta 180 death wish I think CSLG was on law review at UT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269665) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 11:44 PM Author: Violent aqua old irish cottage There was a lawyer in my town who got licensed after graduating from a bottom feeder law school, taking the bar exam four times, and somehow squeaking through on her final attempt. She practiced for four years. It was a horror show. She went solo right out of the gate and quickly acquired a reputation for massive levels of incompetence and dishonesty. There were about a dozen different state bar inquiries proceeding against her, for everything from lying in court to failing to keep trust account records to stealing from clients. Disbarred after just a few years of practicing.
The point that I'm making is, practicing law is pretty intellectually demanding. If they drop the standards even a little, many of the morons that get licensed will self destruct and flame out of the profession in short order. |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 11:45 PM Author: aphrodisiac twisted gay wizard hospital no the real problem is the taxpayer will have to eat the cost of their student loans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268101) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 11:47 PM Author: Violent aqua old irish cottage Big problem but not what the OP is getting at. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268114) |
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Date: May 3rd, 2023 11:50 PM Author: Cerebral Stain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268129) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 7:37 AM Author: Floppy mother Ok but it sounds like she managed to cause a massive amount of damage in that short of a time (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268710) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 8:06 AM Author: sable very tactful cruise ship telephone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268737) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:58 PM Author: Violent aqua old irish cottage I picked up some of her old clients so it was good for me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46271814) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 4:04 AM Author: flushed toaster (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268583) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 4:51 AM Author: Unhinged fishy theater stage pisswyrm Lolllll
This trend is happening in many states this year.
It's likely that many of the failing test takers are suffering from post COVID sequelae.
Neurological problems such as brain fog are common as their brains shrink or get infected |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 7:40 AM Author: Floppy mother ArielEsq @ArielEsq305 · 22h The bar exam is old antiquated and does not test anyone’s capabilities as a lawyer. I know people who passed the first time who not even lawyers now and people like me, who failed and had to retake, outchea flourishing. We use to have a profession with no bar exam 🤷🏻♀️ |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 8:11 AM Author: marvelous white menage What does "outchea" mean? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268743) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 8:39 AM Author: Floppy mother (old antiquated lawyer) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268793) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:39 AM Author: Cerebral Stain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269040) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 12:18 PM Author: magenta 180 death wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269662) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:16 AM Author: aromatic parlour rigpig "My anecdote disproves all the data, is how I feel" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269206) |
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Date: July 3rd, 2023 8:00 PM Author: Cocky mewling station boiling water IT IS MY LIVED EXPERIENCE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46506217) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 12:03 PM Author: Indigo overrated tank ladyboy Bar exam old skool
We nu skool |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:22 PM Author: Shimmering library mad-dog skullcap Yuh honah, wut dat cracka say be antikwaate. We a profession now, and we ain't got no use fo dat buuull-shit.
(snaps fingers in front of face) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 8:40 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range Good. Maybe that will finally coax smart people to shift from law to professions that are actually good for society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268796) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 8:44 AM Author: ruddy home like what? coding fart apps? being an impoverished adjunct at shitlib u? consulting for rapacious globohomo?
the only professions that are arguably good for society is medicine and science, and LOL JUST LOL at the polisci shitheads that go to lolschool doing that. by the time someone is considering lolschool a stem career would require a complete life reset for 99% of people. |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 8:59 AM Author: Floppy mother this dramatically overestimates how difficult "medicine and science" is
also overestimates how good for society it is |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:14 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range (guy who uses his intelligence to shift commas in a negative-sum game) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268932) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:14 AM Author: Trip Bisexual Tanning Salon Candlestick Maker It doesn’t matter that science and medicine are easier than portrayed. The point is that they both have long training pipelines with zero overlap with law. In order to make a career / life switch, you’re looking at redoing 5-6 years of your life. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268933) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:16 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range fuck existing lawyers, i don't care if they end up homeless on the street because of this. just hoping this diverts up and coming lawyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268940) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:23 AM Author: ruddy home i didn't say it was too difficult, i said it would require a complete life reset. most people go to LOL when they realize their dumb degree is unmarketable. if they decided to go to med school they'd have to do a complete life reset and get a post bacc or something. and it'll probably have been a few years since they've done STEM courses, so that'll mean starting remedially. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268970) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:25 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range once the horror stories become more common, the word will be out and people will stop doing this.
it's already happening. enrollment in BS majors has fallen dramatically.
https://hechingerreport.org/proof-points-the-number-of-college-graduates-in-the-humanities-drops-for-the-eighth-consecutive-year/ |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:15 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range lol at your strawman. but yes, fart apps contribute more to society than law. law is a negative-sum game that produces nothing of value and only consumes value. the fart app at least makes its users happy at the expense of nobody else. consulting increases the overall efficiency of the system, which is positive-sum, even if there are winners and losers.
anyway, lots of professions produce value, even if just hedonic value. some even produce tangible value, such as engineering.
as far as polisci shitheads being incapable of shifting to other professions, fuck them, who cares. i'm talking about future high-IQ people who would potentially go into law...many of them have high enough IQ that they don't NEED to be polisci shitheads. they would make at least mediocre engineers or doctors or technicians. the collapse of all barriers to entry to law will encourage young smarts considering law to do something productive instead of the polisci-to-law pipeline.
the most negative-sum professions are probably law and marketing/advertising. |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:27 AM Author: ruddy home "the fart app at least makes its users happy at the expense of nobody else. consulting increases the overall efficiency of the system, which is positive-sum, even if there are winners and losers."
LOL JUST FUCKING LOL
fart apps and the internet are probably the most society destroying things of all time. compare the 90s to today. look at glassy eyed zoomers. fart apps don't make people happy, it makes us all incredibly unhappy.
and LOL JUST FUCKING LOL at defending mckinsey faggots. are you campaigning for mayo buttgag? |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:28 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range your style of argumentation is so unhinged and illogical. you are like a nig who is unable to abstract away from your own experiences or interests, or entertain counterfactuals. it's insane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268999) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:31 AM Author: ruddy home we're on xoxo nigger and obviously my argumentation style is signaling i'm treating this discussion flippantly you fucking dork. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269007) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 12:24 PM Author: mildly autistic razzmatazz trailer park hominid Wow, rude (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269673) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 12:00 PM Author: Floppy mother "but yes, fart apps contribute more to society than law. law is a negative-sum game that produces nothing of value and only consumes value."
cr yas Queen we need to abolish prisons TODAY 👋😍👋😍🙌 |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 12:50 PM Author: Lascivious flickering range ...and still more of a contribution than the practice of law. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269779) |
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Date: May 5th, 2023 10:36 AM Author: Floppy mother whoosh (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46272958) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:20 AM Author: Trip Bisexual Tanning Salon Candlestick Maker There are plenty of other areas that are “good” for society, arguably even more so than medicine or “science”, like plumbing, electrician, etc. The issue we see today is that medicine and science have become “trade” jobs, rather than innovators pushing the boundaries. The only difference between a plumber and the modal med student today is the med student has zero risk tolerance and was pushed into his/her career track by parents angling to give their kids a lucrative career. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268956) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:25 AM Author: ruddy home i'm talking about jobs requiring a college degree. of course there are plenty working class jobs that are worthwhile. but most people that could be a good lawyer or doctor are not going to consider that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268979) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:26 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range i make fun of consultants all the time, but consulting is more positive than law. it's a positive-sum game at least, while law is a negative-sum game. who are you even kidding? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268988) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:28 AM Author: ruddy home they're both rent seeking parasites. at least the law is "necessary" in that sometimes you do need to litigate and you do need people to make deals happen. i'm not going to arguing about which one is worse than the other. they are both rent seeking bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268997) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:31 AM Author: Trip Bisexual Tanning Salon Candlestick Maker Consulting is pretty broad, and there are definitely some value-add areas, particularly engineering and operations. Management consulting seems absolutely worthless, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269010) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:40 AM Author: ruddy home i'm speaking in broad strokes. obviously there are plenty of joe jamail type lawyers that actually do shit beyond checking commas. i'm sure there are plenty of valid-add consultants, just like there are value-add people in every field. but, broadly, it's flame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269043) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:46 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range there are almost no value-add lawyers. as a field it's negative-sum. classic arms race in economics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269077) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:47 AM Author: ruddy home crimlaw. legitimate litigation (small business disputes, non-fraud PI). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269082) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:49 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range (((small-business disputes))) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269086) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:51 AM Author: ruddy home way to blow past crimlaw. we probably need 5x more state ADAs (in states where soros DAs aren't playing catch a release).
look, i'm sitting here and copping that most law is flame. but there are legit lawyers. there is a reason why courts have existed since ancient times whereas (((business consultants))) are a recent phenomenon. society needs some system for resolving disputes otherwise it's barbarism or vigilantism. |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:52 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range yes but you don't need 140-IQ people doing it. that's what makes it an arms race and therefore a negative-sum game. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269099) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:54 AM Author: ruddy home why are you responding to me with the same shit in multiple subreads? i just answered you below. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269102) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:05 AM Author: Trip Bisexual Tanning Salon Candlestick Maker I’m gonna have to side with HA on this one. What’s the point in having more ADAs and making a nice society when it will just be used to justify and incentivize bringing more criminally-inclined people to the area? You’re society just gets ripped back down again, except now you have a massive surveillance state on top of it. ADAs are treating a symptom, not curing the disease. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269157) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:07 AM Author: ruddy home we need to lock up criminals away in addition to treating the root causes. even if we fix the root causes there will always be criminals and a need for a criminal justice system. it's not an either/or situation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269164) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:54 PM Author: Lascivious flickering range the ADAs will be dumber but criminals will have dumber lawyers too. it washes out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46272042) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:50 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range again, you don't seem to understand what a zero-sum game is. the only reason you need a 140-IQ person to litigate your PI claim for you because the other guy has a 140-IQ attorney. you would get just as societally positive an outcome if both of the attorneys were 120-IQ or 110-IQ instead. if compensation in the field goes down, fewer smart people will go into the field and will pursue more productive endeavors, but outcomes in law will remain quite similar. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269090) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:53 AM Author: ruddy home you're addressing arguments that i'm not making. where did i say that the smartest people should be lawyers? i just said that some areas of the law are value-add to society. the best example would be locking up antisocial criminal dindus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269100) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:54 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range dude, this whole subthread started because i pointed out that lowering barriers to entry in law is a good thing for society, because it will induce the smartest people not to become lawyers. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269105) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:57 AM Author: ruddy home and my response was that there aren't many non-stem worthwhile fields for smartmos. i never argued that the law required a bunch of smartmos. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269114) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:13 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range so your response was largely non-responsive. if even some of those smart people go into productive professions where their intelligence is a value-add (as opposed to being zero-sum like in law), that's a plus for society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269187) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:16 AM Author: ruddy home 1 "Good. Maybe that will finally coax smart people to shift from law to professions that are actually good for society."
2 "there aren't many professions that are good for society that people considering law school can do"
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how is that non-responsive? |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:02 PM Author: burgundy rehab The people who cannot qualify to be lawyers now but who would otherwise join with lower standards are completely disasters who would fuck up all disputes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46271833) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:52 PM Author: Lascivious flickering range Define what it means to "fuck up" a dispute and explain how the outcome would be much different than today's system, where lawyers of different abilities match up.
Also, smarter lawyers will continue to command some sort of a premium, so for the most consequential cases involving the largest sums, the lawyers will still be mildly smart. |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:32 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range wrong. again, when some consulting powerpoint jockey goes in and causes some deadweight middle management to be fired or a technologically obsolete assembly line to be shut down, it is bad for the employees, sure. but it actually results in greater overall welfare because it makes the system more efficient, so it's positive-sum. it's analogous to when automation causes jobs to disappear. yes, the benefit accrues only to the shareholders, and that's a problem, and we should redistribute the resulting surplus. but it's still a net positive sum, unlike law, which is zero-sum or negative-sum. this is basic economics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269015) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:39 AM Author: ruddy home sup brady? how was HBS? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269039) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:45 AM Author: Trip Bisexual Tanning Salon Candlestick Maker Yeah, but the problem is that half the time the next round of management consultants tell them to recreate the eliminated position and restart the old-but-reliable method. Half of consulting is creating the next round of problems to “fix” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269065) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:47 AM Author: Lascivious flickering range fair enough. so maybe 95% of these consultants are useless. still better than the ratio in law.
all i'm arguing is that law is one of the most detrimental professions for society, so diverting high-IQ people out of law and into other fields will be a net positive for society. |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:10 AM Author: Trip Bisexual Tanning Salon Candlestick Maker It sounds like you’re a lot more optimistic than I am. IMO, any new net-positive will be immediately arbitraged away by desperate/poor/dumb people moving in and acting their own self-interests (rather than those of a society). Look at how much progress we have made in medicine over the last 50 years, but life expectancy is declining because retards can’t not take fentanyl, low-impulse-control morons have to stuff their faces with corn syrup and give themselves diabetes, and teens have decided carjacking is their favorite hobby. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269175) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 12:22 PM Author: magenta 180 death wish What are professions that are good for society? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269669) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 12:49 PM Author: Lascivious flickering range engineering, medicine (doctor, physical therapy, nurse, paramedic, etc), logistics, scientific research, architecture, economics, science, statistics, forestry, starting up a small business, some management roles... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269775) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 8:41 AM Author: ruddy home /r/barexam is full of retards demanding the exam be abolished.
for people saying "it'll never happen" -- 10 years ago you would have said entrance exams for college would never be eliminated. some shitlib state will admit people with diploma privilege and other states will follow suit soon after. |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:27 AM Author: Cerebral Stain hasnt Wisconsin has diploma privilege for a long time? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46268996) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:30 AM Author: ruddy home idk. i heard a few states did it during the pandemic temporarily. that is going to be the toe hold to make it permanent.
"he had diploma privleged lawyers for two years and everything was fine, clearly the bar exam is redundant and unnecessarily. also it's inherently racist *unfurls racial disparity in passing scores and challenge anyone to claim it's because dindus are dumber*" |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:37 AM Author: Cerebral Stain there's strong efforts by TTT schools to prevent some of their students from even taking the bar exam. how do you measure how good a law school is after bar passage rate is gone? "% who committed malpractice" in first 5 yrs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269030) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:42 AM Author: ruddy home idk man how do you measure how good your law school students are when you eliminate the LSAT and are admitting dindus with 4.8s in african studies?
schools will coast by on their prestige for the foreseeable future. schools are "good" because they have the reputation for being "good". also, lolschool is pretty fungible anyway. do you really think shitlib prof at yale is doing much more tahn shitlib prof at wustl? students are just skipping class and doing E&Es anyway. it's all flame. |
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Date: May 5th, 2023 9:50 AM Author: arousing awkward depressive mediation it only applies if you went to school IN wisconsin, and i don't think a wisconsin bar card is easily transferable to other states. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46272831) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 9:56 AM Author: Bateful generalized bond 180. reddit is never paying back those student loans, and never taking that bar exam (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269110) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:01 AM Author: adventurous azure useless brakes associate Given the collapse in law school enrollment, there’s definitely going to be pressure to drop it or make it even easier. 2022 had the fewest first years since 1974.
https://www.lawschooltransparency.com/trends/enrollment/all |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:04 AM Author: ruddy home probably. obviously the best solution is what you said above and making it even more difficult. but we can't unring the "anyone can be a lawyer!" bell so we're just going to be getting dumber and dumber attorneys for years. this might actually be a pretty good thing for lawyers in fields that actually require intelligence. for shitlawyers though it's going to get real kooky. esp when state courts becoming increasingly populated with 90iq judges. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269153) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:15 AM Author: adventurous azure useless brakes associate The grads are definitely getting dumber. More and more accomplished people are avoiding law school. It's not even just law school. Over the past 10 years liberal arts has seen upwards of 50% declines in enrollment, even at elite schools. Academia can keep pulling their tricks but I think the market is going to win out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269198) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:18 AM Author: ruddy home idk. the hr-ification of the country and credentialism has resulted in even retard jobs requiring a degree. that's on top of living in a post-labor world where we just don't need that many people working anyway. i have no idea what's going to happen. i don't trust the market to fix it because institutions are set up in a way that prevent the market from operating organically. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269216) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:38 AM Author: adventurous azure useless brakes associate isn't college enrollment going down too, particularly among the shit schools? In the next 5-10 years you're going to start having high school grads whose parents are millenials. They have less affinity toward higher education. Polling shows millenials are much more likely to regret their college debt levels and their choice of study. Higher ed can tinker with this stuff but it's going to be a tidal wave of change, especially for mediocre and bottom-tier private schools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269290) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 10:48 AM Author: ruddy home time well tell i guess. everything is so fucked up that it's hard to predict what will happen with any confidence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46269318) |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 12:35 PM Author: Lavender Area > it's hard to predict what will happen with any confidence.
this is not hard to predict. higher education is collapsing in real time. |
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Date: May 4th, 2023 1:04 PM Author: medicated deranged stag film At the same time the wage gap between degree holders and non degreemos has never been higher. As supply of smartmo grads decreases, wages will go up. At some point it will swing back.
Millennials regret degrees and debt because they majored in ttt liberal arts majors and couldn't find a job. The reason liberal arts is down 50% is new generation is going for STEM because they're following the money.
It's all cyclical but there's never been a better time to have a degree. |
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Date: May 5th, 2023 9:48 AM Author: arousing awkward depressive mediation actually, that's a good point. will millennial parents still carrying student loans be able to sign loan docs for their kids? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5334539&forum_id=2#46272825) |
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